If I may make a suggestion for clarity. When defining the maximum price for the different services to include the currency. I'm assuming the maximum prices listed are all in USD however adding the currency remove any ambiguity.
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@HiveDCNick said:
If I may make a suggestion for clarity. When defining the maximum price for the different services to include the currency. I'm assuming the maximum prices listed are all in USD however adding the currency remove any ambiguity.
@HiveDCNick said:
If I may make a suggestion for clarity. When defining the maximum price for the different services to include the currency. I'm assuming the maximum prices listed are all in USD however adding the currency remove any ambiguity.
Good suggestion, I have added that in.
DAMN!
And I was just about to post an offer for $ 7 Cayman Islands dollars for a 20% revenue boost!
@HiveDCNick said:
If I may make a suggestion for clarity. When defining the maximum price for the different services to include the currency. I'm assuming the maximum prices listed are all in USD however adding the currency remove any ambiguity.
Good suggestion, I have added that in.
DAMN!
And I was just about to post an offer for $ 7 Cayman Islands dollars for a 20% revenue boost!
Is offering $100 per month for a VPS fine as long as a one-time discount for the first month of 95 % is offered?
Shouldn't the maximum "$7 per month" be the recurring price?
May I also suggest that specifying a "per month" price that is only valid for the first month is misleading and shouldn't be allowed.
Only $100.00 per month $ 5.00 per month 95 % OFF for first month
vs.
Only $5.00 for first month, $100.00 per month thereafter
I see that you've come here after looking at my LES Exclusive offer post.
Its not misleading at all, I mentioned it in 3 places of the post that it was only for the first month.
title
heading
right below the price
Unless the person is having difficulty seeing, its very clear that its a first month offer.
@bikegremlin said:
Capitalism, free market and all.
Don't tell me you'd prefer we enforced Communism?!
Sure.
The core principle of communism is that you take what you need, no payment required.
I need 8 cores for encoding push-up videos, and the server @cmeerw is using looks perfect.
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@bikegremlin said:
Capitalism, free market and all.
Don't tell me you'd prefer we enforced Communism?!
Sure.
The core principle of communism is that you take what you need, no payment required.
I need 8 cores for encoding push-up videos, and the server @cmeerw is using looks perfect.
Now 4 cores8 cores double cores for the first month
How many cores do you get for the first month, and how many for the following months?
And someone has to explain to me what this has to do with Communism.
@bikegremlin said:
Capitalism, free market and all.
Don't tell me you'd prefer we enforced Communism?!
Sure.
The core principle of communism is that you take what you need, no payment required.
I need 8 cores for encoding push-up videos, and the server @cmeerw is using looks perfect.
Now 4 cores8 cores/mo double cores for the first month
How many cores do you get for the first month, and how many for the following months?
And someone has to explain to me what this has to do with Communism.
@bikegremlin said:
Capitalism, free market and all.
Don't tell me you'd prefer we enforced Communism?!
Sure.
The core principle of communism is that you take what you need, no payment required.
I need 8 cores for encoding push-up videos, and the server @cmeerw is using looks perfect.
Comrade, I am sad to say that your request could not be fulfilled because of the US-emposed sanctions.
Please continue contributing according to your ability for pushups, and the victory will be imminent!
Setup fees are not allowed on any service other than dedicated servers. The dedicated server setup fee can be a maximum of 1 month equivalent of server cost, only providers that have been established for 3+ years may charge a setup fee on dedicated servers.
Setup fees are not allowed on any service other than dedicated servers. The dedicated server setup fee can be a maximum of 1 month equivalent of server cost, only providers that have been established for 3+ years may charge a setup fee on dedicated servers.
An exception was granted as was already communicated. I am in favor of allowing Colo to have setup fees too as that makes more sense to me than dedicated services being the only service that allows setup fees. I'll take that back to the team.
Setup fees are not allowed on any service other than dedicated servers. The dedicated server setup fee can be a maximum of 1 month equivalent of server cost, only providers that have been established for 3+ years may charge a setup fee on dedicated servers.
An exception was granted as was already communicated. I am in favor of allowing Colo to have setup fees too as that makes more sense to me than dedicated services being the only service that allows setup fees. I'll take that back to the team.
I agree Colo having a "return to sender" fee makes sense.
Setup fees are not allowed on any service other than dedicated servers. The dedicated server setup fee can be a maximum of 1 month equivalent of server cost, only providers that have been established for 3+ years may charge a setup fee on dedicated servers.
An exception was granted as was already communicated. I am in favor of allowing Colo to have setup fees too as that makes more sense to me than dedicated services being the only service that allows setup fees. I'll take that back to the team.
I agree Colo having a "return to sender" fee makes sense.
The "return to sender fee" is usually charged at the backend - when the customer wants equipment returned, the colo provider charges a remote hands fee to derack the equipment and charges a shipping fee to mail the equipment (unless customer provides shipping label).
If the colo provider charges "return to sender fee" upfront and then deadpools, the customer loses not only the equipment but also the fee.
However, if the customer wants to cancel service and abandon equipment, the colo provider would have to absorb disposal costs.
This cost could be amortized into the monthly price.
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Setup fees are not allowed on any service other than dedicated servers. The dedicated server setup fee can be a maximum of 1 month equivalent of server cost, only providers that have been established for 3+ years may charge a setup fee on dedicated servers.
An exception was granted as was already communicated. I am in favor of allowing Colo to have setup fees too as that makes more sense to me than dedicated services being the only service that allows setup fees. I'll take that back to the team.
I agree Colo having a "return to sender" fee makes sense.
The "return to sender fee" is usually charged at the backend - when the customer wants equipment returned, the colo provider charges a remote hands fee to derack the equipment and charges a shipping fee to mail the equipment (unless customer provides shipping label).
If the colo provider charges "return to sender fee" upfront and then deadpools, the customer loses not only the equipment but also the fee.
However, if the customer wants to cancel service and abandon equipment, the colo provider would have to absorb disposal costs.
This cost could be amortized into the monthly price.
You can stop with the walls of text. I am not new to this industry and don't need to explanations.
The Admins made the decision live with it or don't period.
Setup fees are not allowed on any service other than dedicated servers. The dedicated server setup fee can be a maximum of 1 month equivalent of server cost, only providers that have been established for 3+ years may charge a setup fee on dedicated servers.
An exception was granted as was already communicated. I am in favor of allowing Colo to have setup fees too as that makes more sense to me than dedicated services being the only service that allows setup fees. I'll take that back to the team.
I agree Colo having a "return to sender" fee makes sense.
The "return to sender fee" is usually charged at the backend - when the customer wants equipment returned, the colo provider charges a remote hands fee to derack the equipment and charges a shipping fee to mail the equipment (unless customer provides shipping label).
If the colo provider charges "return to sender fee" upfront and then deadpools, the customer loses not only the equipment but also the fee.
However, if the customer wants to cancel service and abandon equipment, the colo provider would have to absorb disposal costs.
This cost could be amortized into the monthly price.
Just because "everyone else does it" doesn't mean everyone will have to do it. Thinking outside of the box is what gives new ideas to old providers.
I will also post this here.
The question was asked before the post, Admins gave it an OK, offer was posted.
Now, let's leave this and focus on something else.
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In the spirit of BF/CM the following rules under the "Rules for posting offers:" are suspended for members with a LES Hosting or Service Provider tag from 00:01 (UTC) November 29th to 23:59 (PST) December 2nd, 2024.
$7 p/month Maximum for VPS offers
$99 p/month Maximum for Dedicated server offers
$70 p/month Maximum per U for COLO offers
$3 p/month Maximum for Shared hosting offers
$7 p/month Maximum for Reseller hosting offers
$5 p/month Maximum for VPN/Proxy related offers
$5 p/month Maximum for Email related offers
Setup fees are not allowed on any service other than dedicated servers. The dedicated server setup fee can be a maximum of 1 month equivalent of server cost.
@pike said: @AnthonySmith you cleared the drama and now it looks like you banned someone because he criticized you. At least that was my impression until I noticed you deleted some posts.
@pike said: @AnthonySmith you cleared the drama and now it looks like you banned someone because he criticized you. At least that was my impression until I noticed you deleted some posts.
@mikho said: Trial offers (Test our service free for X amount of time) are NOT considered free
So, "Free VPS trial for 1 month" is not considered free, but "Free VPS for 1 month" is?
Could this be clarified where the line between "free" and "not free" is? I don't think I am the only one confused here.
A trial is something that automagically converts to a monthly or yearly subscription. Like opt-out on marketing emails.
Where as 1 month free should be considered as opt-in.
You have to manually convert to a subscription if you get the chance to continue using your service.
If a free offer is posted and its not an opt-in to continue using, feel free to flag the thread and admin/mods will handle it.
“Technology is best when it brings people together.” – Matt Mullenweg
@mikho said: Trial offers (Test our service free for X amount of time) are NOT considered free
So, "Free VPS trial for 1 month" is not considered free, but "Free VPS for 1 month" is?
Could this be clarified where the line between "free" and "not free" is? I don't think I am the only one confused here.
A trial is something that automagically converts to a monthly or yearly subscription. Like opt-out on marketing emails.
Where as 1 month free should be considered as opt-in.
You have to manually convert to a subscription if you get the chance to continue using your service.
If a free offer is posted and its not an opt-in to continue using, feel free to flag the thread and admin/mods will handle it.
Exactly how I explained it when asked about it in PM. A free trial converts to payment of some kind. A free offer is free for the duration of the product line. If it is one month so be it, as long as it is stated in the offer. The rest of the requirements like an account that is so old, or post, or comments are fine as long as they do not ask for posts to get it, or other compemsation like reviews, money (obxiously), etc...
Can we make/ enforce a rule to have pricing for allowed plans in the provider post offers else the post is taken down and a cool down period is enforced?
Is it just me or it feels scummy / lazy on providers part
@localhost said:
Can we make/ enforce a rule to have pricing for allowed plans in the provider post offers else the post is taken down and a cool down period is enforced?
Is it just me or it feels scummy / lazy on providers part
If the post/thread is flagged we remove it.
It has to be clear what the price is.
We do not check every offer posted, we need help from the community members.
If there are offers above the price limit, those are often removed while keeping the original post.
“Technology is best when it brings people together.” – Matt Mullenweg
@localhost said:
Can we make/ enforce a rule to have pricing for allowed plans in the provider post offers else the post is taken down and a cool down period is enforced?
Is it just me or it feels scummy / lazy on providers part
If the post/thread is flagged we remove it.
It has to be clear what the price is.
We do not check every offer posted, we need help from the community members.
If there are offers above the price limit, those are often removed while keeping the original post.
Agreed. Flagging is needed.
Maybe it is also important to call it out in the rules to ensure plan details are mentioned with pricing?
Of course not all plans/ packages will be listed, but ones within the limits should be.
@localhost said:
Can we make/ enforce a rule to have pricing for allowed plans in the provider post offers else the post is taken down and a cool down period is enforced?
Is it just me or it feels scummy / lazy on providers part
If the post/thread is flagged we remove it.
It has to be clear what the price is.
We do not check every offer posted, we need help from the community members.
If there are offers above the price limit, those are often removed while keeping the original post.
Agreed. Flagging is needed.
Maybe it is also important to call it out in the rules to ensure plan details are mentioned with pricing?
Of course not all plans/ packages will be listed, but ones within the limits should be.
Thanks
If you flag it and we remove the thread, I’m sure that providers will get it.
We have had many successful years and its only recently this behaviour has become an issue.
As its the providers responsibility to keep up with each forums rules, we are a bit different as we try to avoid copy/paste offers. Which I suspect is the main reason behind threads without prices.
Something you can copy/paste each week, with little effort.
Conclusion; flag it and we will remove it.
The provider is always sent a message with the reason for thread removal.
“Technology is best when it brings people together.” – Matt Mullenweg
On January 23rd, 2025 the following was added to the Rules for posting offers
Offers that are temporarily reduced below the LES price limits, via promo code or other methods, must remain at the reduced price for at least 12 months before reverting to a price above the LES price limits.
Would be nice to see ban reasons and length on profiles of other people, saves trouble with misunderstandings etc.
We should write the reason for the ban when it goes that far, I'm sure it's not like that in every case, but it should.
If you read on the wall of the banned profile, you will see that exact reason.
Sometimes, for example; we find double accounts, we wont write the other account in the note, I don't think that is something that needs to be posted in public.
“Technology is best when it brings people together.” – Matt Mullenweg
Would be nice to see ban reasons and length on profiles of other people, saves trouble with misunderstandings etc.
We should write the reason for the ban when it goes that far, I'm sure it's not like that in every case, but it should.
If you read on the wall of the banned profile, you will see that exact reason.
Sometimes, for example; we find double accounts, we wont write the other account in the note, I don't think that is something that needs to be posted in public.
That's a double edged sword: provided info could be used to avoid bans.
Still, for now (and the foreseeable future), I think that providing reasons does more good (in terms of preventing any misunderstanding or abuse) than harm.
If that changes, we'll see about it (cross that brigde when we reach it).
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If I may make a suggestion for clarity. When defining the maximum price for the different services to include the currency. I'm assuming the maximum prices listed are all in USD however adding the currency remove any ambiguity.
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Good suggestion, I have added that in.
yabs daddy
DAMN!
And I was just about to post an offer for $ 7 Cayman Islands dollars for a 20% revenue boost!
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The Yeti has left the building.
Was the 7 rule killed?
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Where are the yetibucks ????
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Is offering $100 per month for a VPS fine as long as a one-time discount for the first month of 95 % is offered?
Shouldn't the maximum "$7 per month" be the recurring price?
May I also suggest that specifying a "per month" price that is only valid for the first month is misleading and shouldn't be allowed.
Only $100.00 per month $ 5.00 per month
95 % OFF for first month
vs.
Only $5.00 for first month, $100.00 per month thereafter
I see that you've come here after looking at my LES Exclusive offer post.
Its not misleading at all, I mentioned it in 3 places of the post that it was only for the first month.
Unless the person is having difficulty seeing, its very clear that its a first month offer.
I don't find any issue with this allowance.
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Capitalism, free market and all.
Don't tell me you'd prefer we enforced Communism?!
Edit:
Almost forgot one of my favourites:
"Vote with your wallet."
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Sure.
The core principle of communism is that you take what you need, no payment required.
I need 8 cores for encoding push-up videos, and the server @cmeerw is using looks perfect.
We accept Karma donations for the last flan. 🍮 affbrr
Now 4 cores 8 cores
double cores for the first month
How many cores do you get for the first month, and how many for the following months?
And someone has to explain to me what this has to do with Communism.
fixed that for you
Comrade, I am sad to say that your request could not be fulfilled because of the US-emposed sanctions.
Please continue contributing according to your ability for pushups, and the victory will be imminent!
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Due to recent events, a clarification on the rules has been added to the first post.
Regarding posting Free Offers.
“Technology is best when it brings people together.” – Matt Mullenweg
Title says rules were updated in the future
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We used the LES time machine made out of 8086 and shoe strings
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Yeah - but that's still a bit old. I thought we were five years ahead of our time?!
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Imma fix this thread permanently
The Yeti has left the building.
Thread title changed to:
Please, can we have January 1, 1970?
Nope 1935 it is
The Yeti has left the building.
Reminds me,
youtube.com/watch?v=k1BneeJTDcU
Apparently "HDD colo" i.e. VPS with a customer-provided drive can charge setup fee now.
https://lowendspirit.com/discussion/comment/191450/#Comment_191450
Please revise the rule to reflect that.
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An exception was granted as was already communicated. I am in favor of allowing Colo to have setup fees too as that makes more sense to me than dedicated services being the only service that allows setup fees. I'll take that back to the team.
yabs daddy
I agree Colo having a "return to sender" fee makes sense.
The Yeti has left the building.
The "return to sender fee" is usually charged at the backend - when the customer wants equipment returned, the colo provider charges a remote hands fee to derack the equipment and charges a shipping fee to mail the equipment (unless customer provides shipping label).
If the colo provider charges "return to sender fee" upfront and then deadpools, the customer loses not only the equipment but also the fee.
However, if the customer wants to cancel service and abandon equipment, the colo provider would have to absorb disposal costs.
This cost could be amortized into the monthly price.
We accept Karma donations for the last flan. 🍮 affbrr
You can stop with the walls of text. I am not new to this industry and don't need to explanations.
The Admins made the decision live with it or don't period.
The Yeti has left the building.
Just because "everyone else does it" doesn't mean everyone will have to do it. Thinking outside of the box is what gives new ideas to old providers.
I will also post this here.
The question was asked before the post, Admins gave it an OK, offer was posted.
Now, let's leave this and focus on something else.
“Technology is best when it brings people together.” – Matt Mullenweg
Maybe clarify that if exceptions are granted that the first post has to state that an exception was made? Would prevent a lot of this discussion
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In the spirit of BF/CM the following rules under the "Rules for posting offers:" are suspended for members with a LES Hosting or Service Provider tag from 00:01 (UTC) November 29th to 23:59 (PST) December 2nd, 2024.
that's called DEMOCRACY
@pike was last active in March of 2022, so ??
So, "Free VPS trial for 1 month" is not considered free, but "Free VPS for 1 month" is?
Could this be clarified where the line between "free" and "not free" is? I don't think I am the only one confused here.
A trial is something that automagically converts to a monthly or yearly subscription. Like opt-out on marketing emails.
Where as 1 month free should be considered as opt-in.
You have to manually convert to a subscription if you get the chance to continue using your service.
If a free offer is posted and its not an opt-in to continue using, feel free to flag the thread and admin/mods will handle it.
“Technology is best when it brings people together.” – Matt Mullenweg
Exactly how I explained it when asked about it in PM. A free trial converts to payment of some kind. A free offer is free for the duration of the product line. If it is one month so be it, as long as it is stated in the offer. The rest of the requirements like an account that is so old, or post, or comments are fine as long as they do not ask for posts to get it, or other compemsation like reviews, money (obxiously), etc...
The Yeti has left the building.
Can we make/ enforce a rule to have pricing for allowed plans in the provider post offers else the post is taken down and a cool down period is enforced?
Is it just me or it feels scummy / lazy on providers part
If the post/thread is flagged we remove it.
It has to be clear what the price is.
We do not check every offer posted, we need help from the community members.
If there are offers above the price limit, those are often removed while keeping the original post.
“Technology is best when it brings people together.” – Matt Mullenweg
Agreed. Flagging is needed.
Maybe it is also important to call it out in the rules to ensure plan details are mentioned with pricing?
Of course not all plans/ packages will be listed, but ones within the limits should be.
Thanks
If you flag it and we remove the thread, I’m sure that providers will get it.
We have had many successful years and its only recently this behaviour has become an issue.
As its the providers responsibility to keep up with each forums rules, we are a bit different as we try to avoid copy/paste offers. Which I suspect is the main reason behind threads without prices.
Something you can copy/paste each week, with little effort.
Conclusion; flag it and we will remove it.
The provider is always sent a message with the reason for thread removal.
“Technology is best when it brings people together.” – Matt Mullenweg
Repeating offenders may also get complementary pigeon pics...
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If that's not an official rule it should be.
On January 23rd, 2025 the following was added to the Rules for posting offers
On March 13th, 2025 the following was added to the Rules for posting offers
I propose- Ban Transparency™
Would be nice to see ban reasons and length on profiles of other people, saves trouble with misunderstandings etc.
We should write the reason for the ban when it goes that far, I'm sure it's not like that in every case, but it should.
If you read on the wall of the banned profile, you will see that exact reason.
Sometimes, for example; we find double accounts, we wont write the other account in the note, I don't think that is something that needs to be posted in public.
“Technology is best when it brings people together.” – Matt Mullenweg
That's a double edged sword: provided info could be used to avoid bans.
Still, for now (and the foreseeable future), I think that providing reasons does more good (in terms of preventing any misunderstanding or abuse) than harm.
If that changes, we'll see about it (cross that brigde when we reach it).
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