Hosts must state if they require KYC (passport, bill proving address etc.) when selling their products. After paying, customers shouldn't be bombarded, without prior notice, with KYC threat (if not, your service will be suspended).
I expect this is already covered under the "Don't take money for services you have no intention of providing" sub section of the "Don't be a dick" rule. Of course please understand that LES is a buyer beware market and rules are not going to change that.
On June 1st, 2023 the following changes were made to the Domain Sales rules:
Before:
Domain sales are fine but please use the Domain Sales Category it is logged-in user access only i.e. not indexed by google.
Domains must have been registered for a minimum of 60 days.
Maximum starting bid is $7 or you can specify a BIN (not both)
7 days between offer posts.
You can set a hidden reserve on your domain by PM'ing me the domain name and the reserve prior to posting the sale, you must make it known that there is a reserve though.
After:
Domain sales are fine but please use the Domain Sales Category it is logged-in user access only i.e. not indexed by google.
7 days between Domain Sales threads.
Domains must have been registered for a minimum of 60 days.
Maximum starting bid is $7. You can also specify a Buy It Now price.
Domain sales threads should include all relevant details including but not limited to, the domain name, current domain expiration date, the starting bid, currency type, payment methods accepted, and auction end date/time including time zone.
You can set a hidden reserve on your domain by opening a helpdesk ticket prior to posting the sale.
Please include in the ticket your username, the domain name, the reserve amount, and if there is a BIN, the BIN price. The reserve price cannot be more than the BIN price.
You must make it known that there is a reserve price in your Domain Sale thread.
If a seller has a reserve price, bidders and seller have no obligations when the highest bid at the end of the auction does not meet the seller's reserve price.
An auction bid is not retractable. Be sure you want the domain before you bid.
Failure to follow through with the purchase by the winning bidder, or seller, of a Domain Sale auction will result in a temporary or permanent barring from future domain auctions.
Auctions, once started, cannot be terminated early without approval by LES staff.
Auctions with valid bids cannot be terminated early.
Failure to abide by Domain Sales rules will result in a temporary or permanent barring from future domain auctions.
EDIT: On June 3rd, 2023 the following rule was added.
If a seller has a Buy It Now (BIN) price, a bidder can commit to pay the BIN price and end the auction by commenting "BIN" .
Server/service transfers now have a dedicated category on LES and some more explicit rules.
Added 2 June 2023:
Service Transfers
Transferor must be a member of LES for a minimum of 3 months with 10 (non-spammy) posts (comments or discussions).
Transfers are buy at your own risk. LES will not play a mediating or facilitating role during the process. Due diligence is a must.
Service transfers must be allowed by the provider, and completed in accordance with the provider's guidelines for transfer. Changing the account information without the providers knowledge as a method to transfer is not allowed.
Transfer threads should include all relevant details including but not limited to -- price, best offers allowed, who pays transfer fees (if any), payment types accepted by transferor.
A note for those who are new to LES and intend to apply for a hosting or service provider tag:
The 7-day and 5 non-spammy post requirements for new providers are to avoid spamming and for our members to get to know you a little before you start posting offers. In our opinion, new providers are better received if they take the time to introduce themselves and interact with the community before posting offers. Making a thread telling us who you are, how you run your operations, if you own your equipment or rent it, etc. Then responding to questions from members would be a good way to start off.
You should not post any paid offers or links to paid offers until your provider tag has been approved by a staff member.
NOTE: The statement "5 non-spammy post" means any combination of threads and/or comments made in any open thread. Opening an introduction thread and making four comments that answer various member's questions would be the best way to meet this requirement. Please do not open 5 low value threads to meet the "5 posts" count requirement.
On July 15th, 2023 the following changes were made to Rules for posting offers:
This was done after a member poll was conducted from July 6th to July 15th .
@LES-BOT said: DO NOT share LES Exclusive offers on other sites under any circumstances unless the offer is at least 7 days old, this will result in a ban without any warning.
May I please ask about "share" as used in the above rule?
Suppose I put up a LES Exclusive offer. Then I immediately go to another forum and post something like, "Hey! Go to https://link-to-LES.com/MyOffer.html, make an account if you do not already have one, log in, and check my LES Exclusive offer!"
@LES-BOT said: DO NOT share LES Exclusive offers on other sites under any circumstances unless the offer is at least 7 days old, this will result in a ban without any warning.
May I please ask about "share" as used in the above rule?
Suppose I put up a LES Exclusive offer. Then I immediately go to another forum and post something like, "Hey! Go to https://link-to-LES.com/MyOffer.html, make an account if you do not already have one, log in, and check my LES Exclusive offer!"
Would this break the rules?
Don't want to break the rules.
Thanks!
If they tell you off, I'll get the gloves 😝
But, pretty sure that's cool as you're still keeping the offer exclusive and sharing LES as opposed to the offer
@LES-BOT said: DO NOT share LES Exclusive offers on other sites under any circumstances unless the offer is at least 7 days old, this will result in a ban without any warning.
May I please ask about "share" as used in the above rule?
Suppose I put up a LES Exclusive offer. Then I immediately go to another forum and post something like, "Hey! Go to https://link-to-LES.com/MyOffer.html, make an account if you do not already have one, log in, and check my LES Exclusive offer!"
Would this break the rules?
Don't want to break the rules.
Thanks!
I may be overruled on this, but my interpretation of the rules regarding LES Exclusive offers is that doing what you described above after 24 hours does not break the rules. I say this because it is your offer, and not because of the rule you quoted, but this one.
No specific price rules except they MUST be LES exclusive for at LEAST 24 hours
If a member other that the provider who posted the offer did what you described above I would not consider it breaking the rule you quoted.
If any member other than the provider posted the link to a LES exclusive offer in a way that bypassed the need to be a LES member, before the offer was 7 days old, that would be breaking the rule you quoted.
Hopefully I have been clear it describing my interpretation of the rules in question.
In the spirit of BF/CM the following rules under the "Rules for posting offers:" are suspended for members with a LES Hosting or Service Provider tag from 00:01 (UTC) November 24th to 23:59 (PST) November 27th, 2023.
$7 p/month Maximum for VPS offers
$99 p/month Maximum for Dedicated server offers
$70 p/month Maximum per U for COLO offers
$3 p/month Maximum for Shared hosting offers
$7 p/month Maximum for Reseller hosting offers
$5 p/month Maximum for VPN/Proxy related offers
$5 p/month Maximum for Email related offers
Setup fees are not allowed on any service other than dedicated servers. The dedicated server setup fee can be a maximum of 1 month equivalent of server cost.
@FrankZ said:
In the spirit of BF/CM the following rules under the "Rules for posting offers:" are suspended for members with a LES Hosting or Service Provider tag from 00:01 (UTC) November 24th to 23:59 (PST) November 27th, 2023.
@legendary said:
Does the rules was or will be updated to reflect community opinion about "double bandwidth" nonsense?
The ways of spam are endless, you prohibit them one thing they invent 10 more...
One can not blame providers for trying to find ways of selling their services. The problem is when it all becomes of an intrusive and abusive mess.
I've dispatched pigeons with my thoughts and the vote results to @mikho@Mason and @FrankZ (hoping the racoon will be asleep when the pigeon arrives to avoid message encapsulation), and then we'll reach a consensus regarding any rule changes.
@legendary said:
Does the rules was or will be updated to reflect community opinion about "double bandwidth" nonsense?
The ways of spam are endless, you prohibit them one thing they invent 10 more...
One can not blame providers for trying to find ways of selling their services. The problem is when it all becomes of an intrusive and abusive mess.
I've dispatched pigeons with my thoughts and the vote results to @mikho@Mason and @FrankZ (hoping the racoon will be asleep when the pigeon arrives to avoid message encapsulation), and then we'll reach a consensus regarding any rule changes.
Will the racoon carry the encapsulated package afterwards in an encrypted format to its destination?
@legendary said:
Does the rules was or will be updated to reflect community opinion about "double bandwidth" nonsense?
The ways of spam are endless, you prohibit them one thing they invent 10 more...
One can not blame providers for trying to find ways of selling their services. The problem is when it all becomes of an intrusive and abusive mess.
I've dispatched pigeons with my thoughts and the vote results to @mikho@Mason and @FrankZ (hoping the racoon will be asleep when the pigeon arrives to avoid message encapsulation), and then we'll reach a consensus regarding any rule changes.
Will the racoon carry the encapsulated package afterwards in an encrypted format to its destination?
For a while, until he just drops the encapsulated and encrypted package...
A very unreliable messaging system, I must say.
@root said:
One can not blame providers for trying to find ways of selling their services. The problem is when it all becomes of an intrusive and abusive mess.
It was not my intention to blame anyone, I wanted to make the point that prohibiting "double bandwidth" might prove useless
"How miserable life is in the abuses of power..."
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@root said:
One can not blame providers for trying to find ways of selling their services. The problem is when it all becomes of an intrusive and abusive mess.
It was not my intention to blame anyone, I wanted to make the point that prohibiting "double bandwidth" might prove useless
@root said:
One can not blame providers for trying to find ways of selling their services. The problem is when it all becomes of an intrusive and abusive mess.
It was not my intention to blame anyone, I wanted to make the point that prohibiting "double bandwidth" might prove useless
On the other hand, it might reduce spam.
I think that's reasonable to expect.
Will it be 10% or 99% - I don't know.
But 10% less spam is good IMO (better than 0% less spam).
The idea is to make things harder for any spammers.
Similarly to the provider checks upon tag requests.
Over the past months, I saw a few declined providers deadpool, and so it was good that we checked and din't let them advertise here. It's not a 100% safe system. But it's a lot better than nothing.
At least that's how I see it. I'm not always right - which is why I thought it's a good idea to make a poll, and see what other LESbians think.
@bikegremlin said: Over the past months, I saw a few declined providers deadpool, and so it was good that we checked and din't let them advertise here.
I've got enough idlers and I don't generally pay attention to OGF, which ones are you talking about?
On or about February 9th, 2024 the following was added to the Rules for posting offers
Providers: Don't encourage spam, i.e. require customers to post a comment in order to get benefits ("double bandwidth" and similar stuff).
Customers: don't spam the offer threads. Use them to post questions related to the offer(s). If you wish to share feedback, it's best to write in the review section or post a link to an existing LES review.
@bikegremlin said: Over the past months, I saw a few declined providers deadpool, and so it was good that we checked and din't let them advertise here.
I've got enough idlers and I don't generally pay attention to OGF, which ones are you talking about?
"Declined" as in weren't approved with a provider tag on LES.
I don't really care to go through the tickets to find the declined ones, and then google which ones have deadpooled, and I'm not sure it's OK to disclose that info - tag requests are private.
@FrankZ said:
On or about February 9th, 2024 the following was added to the Rules for posting offers
Providers: Don't encourage spam, i.e. require customers to post a comment in order to get benefits ("double bandwidth" and similar stuff).
Customers: don't spam the offer threads. Use them to post questions related to the offer(s). If you wish to share feedback, it's best to write in the review section or post a link to an existing LES review.
I think the name "PRE-SALE" should be in the name of the tread, and not more than 15 days for established providers only.
Do not get me wrong, but pre-sale is not something where you "put your money where your mouth is" business, and newbies might get it really wrong.
As an example: I think I can do a VPS service at 7 bucks, but I do not have the capital nor want to risk my $, so I will do a thread and see how many will get the service
VPS 4Core Xeon Gold, 4 GB RAM,250 GB NVME PCI-EX 4'th GEN at 7$/MO
in the sale thread:
Delivery in 45 days
I mean, com on.... this way even a 12 year old can make something, and risking nothing, that is not a business, in my eyes, and fail rate will be high this way ( dead-pool ), and the customer will be the one to pay the price.
For an established provider, that has experience this might help him do something if he is in a bad $ spot, i will underline might here.
If I as a provider wish to see that a product has some interest, I can just ask the community and do a survey.
For actual sale thread, provision of systems should be a max of 3 days from sell, otherwise it is a pre-sale.
And I really do not get the X day provision system done manually, I mean, there are free alternatives to do this, or really cheap / year ones, like Modules Garden, and other. A provider really needs to get an automation from start and battle with the problems this brings, so he/the team gains experience to debug tricky situations that in the mid-run will just help him out and he's customer experience will be much better.
If you have 200 customers that were provisioned manually and implement an automatic solution after 6 months, disaster will be high/lurking around the corner to add already provisioned systems into an automation, again the customer will pay the price
The hole point of a SALE vs a PRE-SALE is that you have the goods on stock/inventory and can be put to use by the client, but for a PRE-SALE I would not wait for more than 15 days, as a lot can happen in 30.
I think the name "PRE-SALE" should be in the name of the tread, and not more than 15 days for established providers only.
Do not get me wrong, but pre-sale is not something where you "put your money where your mouth is" business, and newbies might get it really wrong.
As an example: I think I can do a VPS service at 7 bucks, but I do not have the capital nor want to risk my $, so I will do a thread and see how many will get the service
VPS 4Core Xeon Gold, 4 GB RAM,250 GB NVME PCI-EX 4'th GEN at 7$/MO
in the sale thread:
Delivery in 45 days
I mean, com on.... this way even a 12 year old can make something, and risking nothing, that is not a business, in my eyes, and fail rate will be high this way ( dead-pool ), and the customer will be the one to pay the price.
For an established provider, that has experience this might help him do something if he is in a bad $ spot, i will underline might here.
If I as a provider wish to see that a product has some interest, I can just ask the community and do a survey.
For actual sale thread, provision of systems should be a max of 3 days from sell, otherwise it is a pre-sale.
And I really do not get the X day provision system done manually, I mean, there are free alternatives to do this, or really cheap / year ones, like Modules Garden, and other. A provider really needs to get an automation from start and battle with the problems this brings, so he/the team gains experience to debug tricky situations that in the mid-run will just help him out and he's customer experience will be much better.
If you have 200 customers that were provisioned manually and implement an automatic solution after 6 months, disaster will be high/lurking around the corner to add already provisioned systems into an automation, again the customer will pay the price
The hole point of a SALE vs a PRE-SALE is that you have the goods on stock/inventory and can be put to use by the client, but for a PRE-SALE I would not wait for more than 15 days, as a lot can happen in 30.
Nicely said. But seems I saw an offer where delivery is expected within 40 days.
Should the community allow such posts? What do the mods/ admin think?
Comments
I expect this is already covered under the "Don't take money for services you have no intention of providing" sub section of the "Don't be a dick" rule. Of course please understand that LES is a buyer beware market and rules are not going to change that.
On June 1st, 2023 the following changes were made to the Domain Sales rules:
Before:
After:
EDIT: On June 3rd, 2023 the following rule was added.
Server/service transfers now have a dedicated category on LES and some more explicit rules.
Added 2 June 2023:
Service Transfers
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On June 20th, 2023 the following rule was added to the General rules:
A note for those who are new to LES and intend to apply for a hosting or service provider tag:
The 7-day and 5 non-spammy post requirements for new providers are to avoid spamming and for our members to get to know you a little before you start posting offers. In our opinion, new providers are better received if they take the time to introduce themselves and interact with the community before posting offers. Making a thread telling us who you are, how you run your operations, if you own your equipment or rent it, etc. Then responding to questions from members would be a good way to start off.
You should not post any paid offers or links to paid offers until your provider tag has been approved by a staff member.
NOTE: The statement "5 non-spammy post" means any combination of threads and/or comments made in any open thread. Opening an introduction thread and making four comments that answer various member's questions would be the best way to meet this requirement. Please do not open 5 low value threads to meet the "5 posts" count requirement.
On July 15th, 2023 the following changes were made to Rules for posting offers:
This was done after a member poll was conducted from July 6th to July 15th .
Before:
After:
May I please ask about "share" as used in the above rule?
Suppose I put up a LES Exclusive offer. Then I immediately go to another forum and post something like, "Hey! Go to https://link-to-LES.com/MyOffer.html, make an account if you do not already have one, log in, and check my LES Exclusive offer!"
Would this break the rules?
Don't want to break the rules.
Thanks!
If they tell you off, I'll get the gloves 😝
But, pretty sure that's cool as you're still keeping the offer exclusive and sharing LES as opposed to the offer
I may be overruled on this, but my interpretation of the rules regarding LES Exclusive offers is that doing what you described above after 24 hours does not break the rules. I say this because it is your offer, and not because of the rule you quoted, but this one.
If a member other that the provider who posted the offer did what you described above I would not consider it breaking the rule you quoted.
If any member other than the provider posted the link to a LES exclusive offer in a way that bypassed the need to be a LES member, before the offer was 7 days old, that would be breaking the rule you quoted.
Hopefully I have been clear it describing my interpretation of the rules in question.
On October 30th, 2023 the following rule was added to the General rules:
In the spirit of BF/CM the following rules under the "Rules for posting offers:" are suspended for members with a LES Hosting or Service Provider tag from 00:01 (UTC) November 24th to 23:59 (PST) November 27th, 2023.
The suspension time period has ended.
If a provider posts an offer within the suspension period and another after the suspension period but within 7 days, is it a violation?
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It hasn't.
Any news on website visits?
The website is visitable.
Acceptable answer. Any numbers about those visits?
3
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7?
7
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Analytics we were using (Matomo) is borked I guess, here's screengrabs from cloudflare for the past month --
Peaked on BF --
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Holy shit, 1.5 mil! Congrats!
Cheers! Keep in mind this is "requests", not necessarily "page views". I would imagine there are quite a few requests per page view.
yabs daddy
On December 26th, 2023 the following rule was added to the "How to get a Hosting Provider or Services Provider tag":
Does the rules was or will be updated to reflect community opinion about "double bandwidth" nonsense?
True. Update is needed to reflect this. Thank you for allowing the people the possibility of expressing their views.
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The ways of spam are endless, you prohibit them one thing they invent 10 more...
"How miserable life is in the abuses of power..."
F. Battiato ---
One can not blame providers for trying to find ways of selling their services. The problem is when it all becomes of an intrusive and abusive mess.
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I've dispatched pigeons with my thoughts and the vote results to @mikho @Mason and @FrankZ (hoping the racoon will be asleep when the pigeon arrives to avoid message encapsulation), and then we'll reach a consensus regarding any rule changes.
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Will the racoon carry the encapsulated package afterwards in an encrypted format to its destination?
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For a while, until he just drops the encapsulated and encrypted package...
A very unreliable messaging system, I must say.
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It was not my intention to blame anyone, I wanted to make the point that prohibiting "double bandwidth" might prove useless
"How miserable life is in the abuses of power..."
F. Battiato ---
Anything is better than nothing.
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On the other hand, it might reduce spam.
I think that's reasonable to expect.
Will it be 10% or 99% - I don't know.
But 10% less spam is good IMO (better than 0% less spam).
The idea is to make things harder for any spammers.
Similarly to the provider checks upon tag requests.
Over the past months, I saw a few declined providers deadpool, and so it was good that we checked and din't let them advertise here. It's not a 100% safe system. But it's a lot better than nothing.
At least that's how I see it. I'm not always right - which is why I thought it's a good idea to make a poll, and see what other LESbians think.
Relja
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I've got enough idlers and I don't generally pay attention to OGF, which ones are you talking about?
On or about February 9th, 2024 the following was added to the Rules for posting offers
"Declined" as in weren't approved with a provider tag on LES.
I don't really care to go through the tickets to find the declined ones, and then google which ones have deadpooled, and I'm not sure it's OK to disclose that info - tag requests are private.
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What's an appropriate lead time for pre orders for vps? 🤔
Feel a little concerned for offers over 15 days of build/ delivery time.
Should there be some ground rules for offers?
@localhost
pre-sale you mean ?
I think the name "PRE-SALE" should be in the name of the tread, and not more than 15 days for established providers only.
Do not get me wrong, but pre-sale is not something where you "put your money where your mouth is" business, and newbies might get it really wrong.
As an example: I think I can do a VPS service at 7 bucks, but I do not have the capital nor want to risk my $, so I will do a thread and see how many will get the service
VPS 4Core Xeon Gold, 4 GB RAM,250 GB NVME PCI-EX 4'th GEN at 7$/MO
in the sale thread:
Delivery in 45 days
I mean, com on.... this way even a 12 year old can make something, and risking nothing, that is not a business, in my eyes, and fail rate will be high this way ( dead-pool ), and the customer will be the one to pay the price.
For an established provider, that has experience this might help him do something if he is in a bad $ spot, i will underline might here.
If I as a provider wish to see that a product has some interest, I can just ask the community and do a survey.
For actual sale thread, provision of systems should be a max of 3 days from sell, otherwise it is a pre-sale.
And I really do not get the X day provision system done manually, I mean, there are free alternatives to do this, or really cheap / year ones, like Modules Garden, and other. A provider really needs to get an automation from start and battle with the problems this brings, so he/the team gains experience to debug tricky situations that in the mid-run will just help him out and he's customer experience will be much better.
If you have 200 customers that were provisioned manually and implement an automatic solution after 6 months, disaster will be high/lurking around the corner
to add already provisioned systems into an automation, again the customer will pay the price
The hole point of a SALE vs a PRE-SALE is that you have the goods on stock/inventory and can be put to use by the client, but for a PRE-SALE I would not wait for more than 15 days, as a lot can happen in 30.
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If someone does I stay far away.
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Yeah and they are dicks as well. Can fuck a market in short order.
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Nicely said. But seems I saw an offer where delivery is expected within 40 days.
Should the community allow such posts? What do the mods/ admin think?