RULES RULES RULES RULES RULES + INFO [updated March 13th, 2025]

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  • Regarding signatures, is the 2 lines limit specifically to limit being spammy or for space reasons? Because quite often, legit 2 line signatures show up as 4 lines on mobile due to wraparound (which I don't like for aesthetic and reading flow). Maybe it should say "... on desktop" because it's sometimes difficult to tell if it's 4 lines or 2 lines wrapped and might get a sig or two flagged when user is on phone.

    Also, s/loose/lose/. Thanks!

  • @AlSwearengen I can just disable signatures on mobile I guess.

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  • mikhomikho AdministratorOG Bash Me Gently
    edited December 2019

    @AlSwearengen @AnthonySmith

    Perhaps set a character limit, like twitter does per tweet.
    Line breaks depends on screen size, landscape or portrait mode.

    A specific number of characters could also be coded to exclude the extra characters.
    No one would then be able to break the rule as it wont display more than, say 140 chars.

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  • MichaelCeeMichaelCee ModeratorProviderOG Cymru

    Boss: "$3 p/month Maximum for Shared hosting offers" - What about Reseller hosting?

  • @SmallWeb said:
    Boss: "$3 p/month Maximum for Shared hosting offers" - What about Reseller hosting?

    Let’s discuss.

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  • teamaccteamacc OG teamacc

    What about offers for providers that are "basically the same entity" and the 7-day rule? Think ovh/sys/kimsufi and (more recently) ioflood/1tbvps?

    Hey teamacc. You're a dick. (c) Jon Biloh, 2020.

  • @teamacc said: What about offers for providers that are "basically the same entity" and the 7-day rule? Think ovh/sys/kimsufi and (more recently) ioflood/1tbvps?

    SYS and kimsufi are brand of a single entity not completely separate registered legal entities, if someone wants to go through all the trouble of registering another separate company then I personally don't see any issue with allowing separate offers, do you?

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  • teamaccteamacc OG teamacc

    @AnthonySmith said:

    @teamacc said: What about offers for providers that are "basically the same entity" and the 7-day rule? Think ovh/sys/kimsufi and (more recently) ioflood/1tbvps?

    SYS and kimsufi are brand of a single entity not completely separate registered legal entities, if someone wants to go through all the trouble of registering another separate company then I personally don't see any issue with allowing separate offers, do you?

    I kinda do, see the 25+ hosts that deadpooled on LEB. Those were all separate registered thingies.

    As a suggestion, I'd suggest the one-size-fits-all thing here: dont be a dick. Thoughts?

    Hey teamacc. You're a dick. (c) Jon Biloh, 2020.

  • MichaelCeeMichaelCee ModeratorProviderOG Cymru

    @teamacc said:

    @AnthonySmith said:

    @teamacc said: What about offers for providers that are "basically the same entity" and the 7-day rule? Think ovh/sys/kimsufi and (more recently) ioflood/1tbvps?

    SYS and kimsufi are brand of a single entity not completely separate registered legal entities, if someone wants to go through all the trouble of registering another separate company then I personally don't see any issue with allowing separate offers, do you?

    I kinda do, see the 25+ hosts that deadpooled on LEB. Those were all separate registered thingies.

    As a suggestion, I'd suggest the one-size-fits-all thing here: dont be a dick. Thoughts?

    I think there is a different between criminal intent and having another legal subsidiary tho to be fair. I can't imagine that would go well here.

  • @SmallWeb said:

    @teamacc said:

    @AnthonySmith said:

    @teamacc said: What about offers for providers that are "basically the same entity" and the 7-day rule? Think ovh/sys/kimsufi and (more recently) ioflood/1tbvps?

    SYS and kimsufi are brand of a single entity not completely separate registered legal entities, if someone wants to go through all the trouble of registering another separate company then I personally don't see any issue with allowing separate offers, do you?

    I kinda do, see the 25+ hosts that deadpooled on LEB. Those were all separate registered thingies.

    As a suggestion, I'd suggest the one-size-fits-all thing here: dont be a dick. Thoughts?

    I think there is a different between criminal intent and having another legal subsidiary tho to be fair. I can't imagine that would go well here.

    Time to register ServedEz and find my alter ego.

  • edited June 2020

    @teamacc said: Thoughts?

    As I said, I think If a legitimate separate company is registered, accounted for, then I see no issue with it, if you do it properly it is not a small task.

    It is not like the forum is overrun with offers, unlike JB I am not sponsoring crime, or frankly neither am I even lining the pockets of the head honcho by visiting his empire so the 25+ Deadpools there would never happen here.

    I would draw a line if the 2 companies were selling the same thing obviously, but if 1 is dedi's one is VPS and they provide me with full transparent registration details I don't see a problem and I don't see this as "Being a dick"

    If others feel strongly about this then I am happy to listen as long as it is kept in context/proportion.

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  • seriesnseriesn OG
    edited June 2020

    @AnthonySmith said:

    @teamacc said: Thoughts?

    As I said, I think If a legitimate separate company is registered, accounted for, then I see no issue with it, if you do it properly it is not a small task.

    It is not like the forum is overrun with offers, unlike JB I am not sponsoring crime, or frankly neither am I even lining the pockets of the head honcho by visiting his empire so the 25+ Deadpools there would never happen here.

    I would draw a line if the 2 companies were selling the same thing obviously, but if 1 is dedi's one is VPS and they provide me with full transparent registration details I don't see a problem and I don't see this as "Being a dick"

    If others feel strongly about this then I am happy to listen as long as it is kept in context/proportion.

    I mean I guess, for now at our current scale, it is okay. But in the long run, it would create chaos as people would try to capitalize whatever loophole exists. (Micro bump cough cough).

    It only costs as low as 100 bucks to registers a corporation where I live. I can easily register 6 different one for the price of 1 or 2 ad spots and plaster the forum with "different" products.

    You won't be able to tell me I can't because well, "others" could have and it wasn't against the rule.

    Granted the forum has less "legal" trouble to deal with. But in these days and age, everything is discrimination and everyone is oppressed.

    Might as well nip it in the bud to prevent shadow company/alias etc. Being future proof is good.

    Not saying I would do any of the above, since I do consider myself a member of the community before considering myself as a "business" . But if I put a business hat on, well, everyone is a cunt. Let's live it at that.

  • edited June 2020

    Well, if I take the core elements of that.

    1. If you register company’s under different people and addresses how could I tell anyway?
    2. If you do it properly and legally and are willing to go through the registration and long term legal implications yourself e.g. accounting requirements, justifying why you are not separating identical tax liabilities to your IRS or equivalent which can lead to jail time or risk your primary entity
    3. Assuming you satisfy point 2 you are still only allowed to post 1 product type every 7 days between your 6 company’s so why would I care?

    Just to make that crystal clear again in case the point was missed, if you register a different company for a different product type e.g. shared, VPS, VPN, Dedicated then I don’t see a problem with the separate company’s posting separate overlapping in date offers for the different products.

    The initial example was OVH, SYS, Kimsufi, they are all just OVH not separate legal entities.

    I guess the issue here I imagine is that if someone is willing to make the effort they could gain a small advantage in advertising rights?

    If that is the issue I would be more likely to adapt the rules to allow everyone the ability to separate out offers by product type with overlapping post dates if that makes sense, to take away that advantage and level the playing field.

    At the end of the day, the commercial element feeds the community and the community feeds the commercial element, the adverts are welcome, if the volume becomes and issue and 1 negatively impacts the balance of the other I will change it then, not in advance.

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  • Not_OlesNot_Oles Provider

    @AnthonySmith said: OVH, SYS, Kimsufi, they are all just OVH not separate legal entities.

    I do not have good information about the legal status of the various OVH personalities, so apologies for adding to the noise. I seem to recall hearing somewhere that OVH in the US was a separate legal entity. I seem to need different accounts with different account numbers and different logins for OVH in US, IE, and CA; Soyoustart in CA; and Kimsufi in CA. There are some differences about the available services. For example, ovh.ie seems to sell domain registrations, while ovh.us (which redirects to us.ovhcloud.com) seems not to sell domain registrations.

    It seems OVH doesn't post here much since @ninzo59 initially showed up and, if you read the old thread, perhaps somebody jumped on him for violating the rules. I want LES to be as successful as possible. Having OVH here together with our many other hosts might contribute to LES' success.

  • @Not_Oles well separate companies/legal entities due to different regional locations for tax, legal, accounting reasons is again another matter, that would be considered the same company.

    It seems to be the best way for this 'issue' to become a none issue is a simple rule modification that makes it so that you can post 1 per week per product type (Shared, VPS, Dedi, Other) for any individual company, trader or significantly connected group of companies.

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  • Rules updated because apparently not dox'ing people needs to be a rule... god damn it 2020!

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  • @AnthonySmith said:
    Rules updated because apparently not dox'ing people needs to be a rule... god damn it 2020!

    Did I miss a drama thread?

  • edited June 2020

    @seriesn said:

    @AnthonySmith said:
    Rules updated because apparently not dox'ing people needs to be a rule... god damn it 2020!

    Did I miss a drama thread?

    It was quickly snuffed out and then sadly spilt over on to twitter if you want to find it.

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  • @AnthonySmith said:

    @seriesn said:

    @AnthonySmith said:
    Rules updated because apparently not dox'ing people needs to be a rule... god damn it 2020!

    Did I miss a drama thread?

    It was quickly snuffed out.

    I should not have been sleeping -.-

  • Bump, warning added about PM based offers.

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  • @seriesn said:

    I should not have been sleeping -.-

    Slacker

  • bikegremlinbikegremlin ModeratorOG

    @AnthonySmith said:
    @Not_Oles well separate companies/legal entities due to different regional locations for tax, legal, accounting reasons is again another matter, that would be considered the same company.

    It seems to be the best way for this 'issue' to become a none issue is a simple rule modification that makes it so that you can post 1 per week per product type (Shared, VPS, Dedi, Other) for any individual company, trader or significantly connected group of companies.

    Rather late post - but just to offer a different perspective/experience:

    1)
    Making several different companies/brands does have some pros, but also has cons. In terms of: one strong brand being a lot better than having several unknown ones.
    So, anyone doing the work to diversify - that's legit, with its cons. Not sure such things should be banished at all cost (so I generally agree with your posts on the topic).

    2)
    The more rules are made, the more "clever" people find loopholes. One of the forums I have has almost no rules - boils down to "don't be a dick" (written in similar worthing).
    It is left to the owner's/admin's discretion to judge whan one is being a dick, and for 10 years now it's been fine. No reasonable objections to the administration policy. But also no "wise guys" trying to use any loopholes left in the rules.

  • @bikegremlin yep on point 2 I see the rules here more as guidelines, people break them all the time tbh if it's not doing any harm and there is no obvious malicious intent they are not enforced.

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  • bikegremlinbikegremlin ModeratorOG

    @AnthonySmith said:
    @bikegremlin yep on point 2 I see the rules here more as guidelines, people break them all the time tbh if it's not doing any harm and there is no obvious malicious intent they are not enforced.

    Yup - simple common sense goes a long way.
    For as long as the administrators are just and honest - it's all good.
    When/if they are not, not even the best rules can help with that.

    At least when it comes to running a forum: I'm all for autocracy! :)

    Did I have problems with administrators?
    In the past 30 years, twice, on two different forums.
    First one is notorious for having very questionable policy (so I had stopped visiting long time ago).
    The second time? New kids - got warned by a moderator for quoting a sentence in the post above in my reply (the sentence I was replying/referring to). Seems it's modern nowadays to not quote at all. They talked something about smartphones etc. No sense, but it's their forum and their rules (don't contribute there almost at all since then).

  • rules bump.

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  • @sweatbar said:
    Applied for a tag

    Sorry missed your pm, will check it today

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  • @AnthonySmith said:

    @sweatbar said:
    Applied for a tag

    Sorry missed your pm, will check it today

    Thank you! All done

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  • @AnthonySmith

    Apologies if I have missed or someone else has asked but I am not aware of.

    If there is a server that I would like to let go (just simply because of too many idling boxes) at a rate that is significantly lower (non profit making) than the price that I paid, is it allowed to post in LES? Permission in writing has been sought from the provider.

    Thanks.

  • @swat4 said:
    @AnthonySmith

    Apologies if I have missed or someone else has asked but I am not aware of.

    If there is a server that I would like to let go (just simply because of too many idling boxes) at a rate that is significantly lower (non profit making) than the price that I paid, is it allowed to post in LES? Permission in writing has been sought from the provider.

    Thanks.

    yep thats fine.

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  • @AnthonySmith said:

    yep thats fine.

    May I ask in which category shall the thread be created?
    Thanks in advance.

  • @swat4 said:

    @AnthonySmith said:

    yep thats fine.

    May I ask in which category shall the thread be created?
    Thanks in advance.

    Just general is fine

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  • I've just tried the flagging function, and it wouldn't let me submit the comment, appearing to say that the comment was too long (it wasn't).

    (Perhaps this was a one-time weird behavior, but I thought that I would signal it.)

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  • mikhomikho AdministratorOG Bash Me Gently

    @angstrom said:
    I've just tried the flagging function, and it wouldn't let me submit the comment, appearing to say that the comment was too long (it wasn't).

    (Perhaps this was a one-time weird behavior, but I thought that I would signal it.)

    Can't see anything new in the flagged content. Care to try again? Or PM @Mason and me the link to the comment that you flagged.

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  • @mikho said:

    @angstrom said:
    I've just tried the flagging function, and it wouldn't let me submit the comment, appearing to say that the comment was too long (it wasn't).

    (Perhaps this was a one-time weird behavior, but I thought that I would signal it.)

    Can't see anything new in the flagged content. Care to try again? Or PM @Mason and me the link to the comment that you flagged.

    I've just flagged this post as a test. It worked.

    (My earlier attempt with another post didn't work -- this was clear to me.)

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  • mikhomikho AdministratorOG Bash Me Gently

    @angstrom said:

    @mikho said:

    @angstrom said:
    I've just tried the flagging function, and it wouldn't let me submit the comment, appearing to say that the comment was too long (it wasn't).

    (Perhaps this was a one-time weird behavior, but I thought that I would signal it.)

    Can't see anything new in the flagged content. Care to try again? Or PM @Mason and me the link to the comment that you flagged.

    I've just flagged this post as a test. It worked.

    (My earlier attempt with another post didn't work -- this was clear to me.)

    Got It.....

    Hi, Just as a test, I'm trying to flag this post. We'll see whether it works.

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  • @angstrom said:
    I've just tried the flagging function, and it wouldn't let me submit the comment, appearing to say that the comment was too long (it wasn't).

    (Perhaps this was a one-time weird behavior, but I thought that I would signal it.)

    It's because the thread name of where you flagged it is too long for the database.... nice lol. Instead of Discussion/Thread ID, it's using Discussion Name as a field for some reason. Nice one, Vanilla!

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    @Mason The main website gives an access Forbidden message mate!

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  • @sweatbar said:
    @Mason The main website gives an access Forbidden message mate!

    URL? I'm not able to replicate

    yabs daddy

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    @Mason said:

    @sweatbar said:
    @Mason The main website gives an access Forbidden message mate!

    URL? I'm not able to replicate

    Now it works. https://lowendspirit.com/

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  • mikhomikho AdministratorOG Bash Me Gently

    @sweatbar said:

    @Mason said:

    @sweatbar said:
    @Mason The main website gives an access Forbidden message mate!

    URL? I'm not able to replicate

    Now it works. https://lowendspirit.com/

    If it happens again, get a screenshot.
    I did an update on the site today that caused a minute of maintenance.

    If you caught it at that time.

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    @mikho said:

    @sweatbar said:

    @Mason said:

    @sweatbar said:
    @Mason The main website gives an access Forbidden message mate!

    URL? I'm not able to replicate

    Now it works. https://lowendspirit.com/

    If it happens again, get a screenshot.
    I did an update on the site today that caused a minute of maintenance.

    If you caught it at that time.

    Here you go it happened now

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  • mikhomikho AdministratorOG Bash Me Gently

    Looks like the security settings are to tight.
    Will have a look at them

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  • What's the feeling on language? Nothing in the rules say posting should be in English.

  • MasonMason OG
    edited April 2022

    @tetech said:
    What's the feeling on language? Nothing in the rules say posting should be in English.

    I was thinking the same thing and had also searched through the rules a couple hours ago to see if we had anything mentioning it. I personally don't mind it not being in English for small comments or one-offs. However, extended conversations should definitely be in English from a moderation and general forum readability standpoint. DMs are always an option too... have a private conversation with someone in Klingon for all I care.

    Taking a note to put this in the rules once I get the wording right.

    yabs daddy

  • @Mason said:

    @tetech said:
    What's the feeling on language? Nothing in the rules say posting should be in English.

    I was thinking the same thing and had also searched through the rules a couple hours ago to see if we had anything mentioning it. I personally don't mind it not being in English for small comments or one-offs. However, extended conversations should definitely be in English from a moderation and general forum readability standpoint. DMs are always an option too... have a private conversation with someone in Klingon for all I care.

    Taking a note to put this in the rules once I get the wording right.

    This is good. Welcoming someone in their own language or saying greetings seems fine. Needing to run off to translators for each post seems not.

  • @Mason said: Taking a note to put this in the rules once I get the wording right.

    LES prefers the use of the English language for any open/public interactions and communications between members of the community.

    However, you're free to converse in your native language, or any other languages (including Klingon) privately.

    "The imitator dooms himself to hopeless mediocrity." — Ralph Waldo Emerson

  • mikhomikho AdministratorOG Bash Me Gently

    Added the following text to the rules.

    • Even though we are from different parts of the world, the English language is what brings us together. To make sure that we understand each other, we use English when posting.

    This doesn’t exclude other languages but should be kept to a minimum to include as many community members as possible.

    We will not bite someone's head off for not writing in English, we all make mistakes every now and then. We remind them of this rule and if the reminders are ignored, flag the post(s) and the staff will take care of the situation.

    Thank you!

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  • AlwaysSkintAlwaysSkint OG RETIRED
    edited April 2022

    @mikho / @Mason
    Might I suggest that where non-English is used, the poster include a (rough) translation. It should be seen as a courtesy to others. This way it becomes inclusive - the whole point of a forum.

    (Maybe I should do that for my username ;) )

    In stasis until the shitposting stops/abates.
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