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  • YmpkerYmpker OG
    edited June 2021

    @seraphkz said:
    Nobody uses oxygen builder?

    I have been following the Oxygen group on FB, I have tried the demo, I watched videos about it.. somehow I felt it was not for me. I get that many people are happy with it and that's great, but perhaps for me the whole idea of going "themeless" and also the builder itself when trying it was just not what I was looking for. Not to say it is bad, it just wasn't for me.

  • Full site editing in Wordpress:
    Probably this will overtake pagbuilders.

    https://andersnoren.se/a-new-era-for-wordpress-themes/

    I like this guy's work. he also designed the 2020 official WP theme

  • LeeLee OG
    edited June 2021

    @Ympker said: Maybe something for @Lee since he currently is playing around with it iirc

    Sorry missed that shout out, but thanks. I saw it and took it :)

  • Honestly the norm is to disable gutenberg as soon as you install a clean WP instance. Any actual dev knows this is the way (trying to be funny). No but seriously, just check the millions of downloads and installs that the classic editor plugin has. A plugin that was created in response to the gutenberg been set as default.

    I would rank the top builders as : Divi Builder -> Elementor -> WP Bakery (former visual composer).
    Some elementors addon plugins were targetted recently, some security issues, make sure you are up to date.

  • I put the "free" Virmach 512 MB Vps to use; Installed WordPress + OpenLiteSpeed on it. Pretty nifty stuff! On base Ubuntu 18.04, RAM usage is between 220 and 280 MB - leaving nearly 200 MB free. The test site and related blog post with images is at
    http://v.amarvyas.com/?p=11

    Note: I intend to keep this site and link alive till the duration of the server, that is, till October 3rd, 2021. For sake of Sanity, let us call it end of September 2021.

  • vyasvyas OG
    edited July 2021

    Edit:
    It is past midnight and I borked the ssl settings and Litespeed configuration. Ignore the above link.

    Visit https://v.amarvyas.com/?p=11

    Pl ignore ssl alerts if you get any, one or two images may not load.

    For the paranoid here is alternate site hosted on blogger

  • Stackable Gutenburg based pagebuilder for WP
    https://appsumo.com/products/marketplace-stackable-page-builder/

    I am using this one and quite like it!
    https://www.wpxpo.com/postx-deal/

  • @vyas said:
    Stackable Gutenburg based pagebuilder for WP
    https://appsumo.com/products/marketplace-stackable-page-builder/

    I am using this one and quite like it!
    https://www.wpxpo.com/postx-deal/

    I've noticed Stackable on there for a while but after seeing what happened to Quebely (development), I'm skipping that one for now. Surely not a bad builder but rn not for me.

  • vyasvyas OG
    edited July 2021

    I am tinkering around with TasteWP - "Disposable" Wordpess installations. These are WP sites that are valid for 7 Days.
    They do have plans for more longer term WP sites, but I like the concept.

    Here is the (aff) link to sign up for those interested. *

    https://tastewp.com/r/AbaV

    I really like the options they offer at the time of installation.

    Settings for TasteWP

    *Note: 1. You sign up for free account, For every 3 registrations, the referrer gets 1 "non-disposable" wordpress install.
    2. I am very bad at affiliate stuff, so help me learn :-)

    1. Link to the site I created- this site will self delete on August 5, 2021

    https://wondertrain.tastewp.com/tasty-site-with-tastewp/

  • YmpkerYmpker OG
    edited July 2021

    @vyas said:
    I am tinkering around with TasteWP - "Disposable" Wordpess installations. These are WP sites that are valid for 7 Days.
    They do have plans for more longer term WP sites, but I like the concept.

    Here is the (aff) link to sign up for those interested. *

    https://tastewp.com/r/AbaV

    I really like the options they offer at the time of installation.

    Settings for TasteWP

    *Note: 1. You sign up for free account, For every 3 registrations, the referrer gets 1 "non-disposable" wordpress install.
    2. I am very bad at affiliate stuff, so help me learn :-)

    1. Link to the site I created- this site will self delete on August 5, 2021

    https://wondertrain.tastewp.com/tasty-site-with-tastewp/

    Looks nice. Definitely a niche market they could get there. As for me, I'd just spin up a Softaculous install with my favourite freely available themes/plugins pre-installed using Softaculous "Sets". I have a subdomain (along the lines demo.domain.com..) where I temporarily try, clone and migrate stuff :) Softaculous makes this a few clicks, really.

  • I Agree- Softaculous is a good way, this gives an option for some quick and dirty installation + testing.
    Forgot to add:
    Account is free to use - probably they are in a public beta. Had last read about them on Product Hunt in Feb 2021

  • @vyas said:
    I Agree- Softaculous is a good way, this gives an option for some quick and dirty installation + testing.
    Forgot to add:
    Account is free to use - probably they are in a public beta. Had last read about them on Product Hunt in Feb 2021

    It definitely sounds great and really only takes seconds to spin up, I imagine. So, I can see why it would be appealing. I even think I have heard of them before somewhere.. Hmm.. :D

  • vyasvyas OG
    edited August 2021

    Cloudpages

    Wordpress Management SAAs by the team behind cyberpanel.

    https://appsumo.com/products/cloudpages-wordpress-server-manager/

  • YmpkerYmpker OG
    edited August 2021

    @vyas said:
    Cloudpages

    Wordpress Management SAAs by the team behind cyberpanel.

    https://appsumo.com/products/cloudpages-wordpress-server-manager/

    Interesting find, although I will skip this deal. For hosting, I like to carefully select the hosts I work with (unless for fun) and not sure when the first issue with "unlimited" policy would appear. That being said, I also have more than enough resources on my Reseller plans, so really not needing it now.

    On another note: What are your go to SEO plugins today? I usually choose Yoast (free), but many also seem to like AIO SEO or Rankmath (although for Rankmath it sounds kinda shilled sometimes).

    Anyone tried Slimseo? Looks interesting: https://wpslimseo.com/

    https://es.wordpress.org/plugins/slim-seo/

    "Slim SEO is a full-featured SEO plugin, that’s done right! It provides a complete SEO solution for WordPress where the configuration has been done automatically. Users do not need to care about their complex and semantic options."

  • @Ympker
    I am leaning more and more towards optimization before publishing. rather than post facto. The latter is proving to be a pain in the read end
    Ink App
    Copywritely
    GRAMMARLY

    or any of the AI based tools.

  • @vyas said:
    @Ympker
    I am leaning more and more towards optimization before publishing. rather than post facto. The latter is proving to be a pain in the read end
    Ink App
    Copywritely
    GRAMMARLY

    or any of the AI based tools.

    Yeah, these are great tools :) What are you referring to "the latter"? Sorry, was a busy day today.

  • bikegremlinbikegremlin ModeratorOG

    @Ympker said:

    @vyas said:
    Cloudpages

    Wordpress Management SAAs by the team behind cyberpanel.

    https://appsumo.com/products/cloudpages-wordpress-server-manager/

    Interesting find, although I will skip this deal. For hosting, I like to carefully select the hosts I work with (unless for fun) and not sure when the first issue with "unlimited" policy would appear. That being said, I also have more than enough resources on my Reseller plans, so really not needing it now.

    On another note: What are your go to SEO plugins today? I usually choose Yoast (free), but many also seem to like AIO SEO or Rankmath (although for Rankmath it sounds kinda shilled sometimes).

    Anyone tried Slimseo? Looks interesting: https://wpslimseo.com/

    https://es.wordpress.org/plugins/slim-seo/

    "Slim SEO is a full-featured SEO plugin, that’s done right! It provides a complete SEO solution for WordPress where the configuration has been done automatically. Users do not need to care about their complex and semantic options."

    Testing a (new) plugin takes time and effort.
    The SEO Framework works perfectly fine - and is simple to configure. That's one of my go-to plugins for practically every website.

  • vyasvyas OG
    edited August 2021

    @Ympker said:

    @vyas said:
    @Ympker
    I am leaning more and more towards optimization before publishing. rather than post facto. The latter is proving to be a pain in the read end
    Ink App
    Copywritely
    GRAMMARLY

    or any of the AI based tools.

    Yeah, these are great tools :) What are you referring to "the latter"? Sorry, was a busy day today.

    :-)

    Content writing (long form/ short form) tools , and optimization tools. Most use GPT3 based AI tools.

    Frase, Rytr, Writesonic... Jarvis, Karka, Peppertype.... too many going around these days. Most offer suggestions for SEO compliance- sentence structure, keywords, paragraphs....

  • YmpkerYmpker OG
    edited August 2021

    @vyas said:

    @Ympker said:

    @vyas said:
    @Ympker
    I am leaning more and more towards optimization before publishing. rather than post facto. The latter is proving to be a pain in the read end
    Ink App
    Copywritely
    GRAMMARLY

    or any of the AI based tools.

    Yeah, these are great tools :) What are you referring to "the latter"? Sorry, was a busy day today.

    :-)

    Content writing (long form/ short form) tools , and optimization tools. Most use GPT3 based AI tools.

    Frase, Rytr, Writesonic... Jarvis, Karka, Peppertype.... too many going around these days. Most offer suggestions for SEO compliance- sentence structure, keywords, paragraphs....

    Ah, gotcha :D I wonder if they offer these suggestions also for german seo. But yeah, definitely some cool tools there :) > @bikegremlin said:

    @Ympker said:

    @vyas said:
    Cloudpages

    Wordpress Management SAAs by the team behind cyberpanel.

    https://appsumo.com/products/cloudpages-wordpress-server-manager/

    Interesting find, although I will skip this deal. For hosting, I like to carefully select the hosts I work with (unless for fun) and not sure when the first issue with "unlimited" policy would appear. That being said, I also have more than enough resources on my Reseller plans, so really not needing it now.

    On another note: What are your go to SEO plugins today? I usually choose Yoast (free), but many also seem to like AIO SEO or Rankmath (although for Rankmath it sounds kinda shilled sometimes).

    Anyone tried Slimseo? Looks interesting: https://wpslimseo.com/

    https://es.wordpress.org/plugins/slim-seo/

    "Slim SEO is a full-featured SEO plugin, that’s done right! It provides a complete SEO solution for WordPress where the configuration has been done automatically. Users do not need to care about their complex and semantic options."

    Testing a (new) plugin takes time and effort.
    The SEO Framework works perfectly fine - and is simple to configure. That's one of my go-to plugins for practically every website.

    That is true. I have mostly used Yoast and Divi SEO settings. Will give SEO Framework a look! Thanks :)

  • @Ympker

    Nichesss is one of the better ones

    36 US dollars using code Annual40

    https://stacksocial.com/sales/nichesss-lifetime-subscription

    Long form is decent, short form is good. Clounky interface though

  • johnkjohnk Provider

    It's not like Yoast was anything but a bunch of bloat in the first place anyways.

  • YmpkerYmpker OG
    edited August 2021

    @vyas said:
    @Ympker

    Nichesss is one of the better ones

    36 US dollars using code Annual40

    https://stacksocial.com/sales/nichesss-lifetime-subscription

    Long form is decent, short form is good. Clounky interface though

    Not too expensive, but looks too cluncky for smth that I don't really "need" :P Thanks for sharing, though!

    @vyas said:
    Yoast SEO plugin acquired by Bluehost

    https://yoast.com/exciting-news-yoast-joins-newfold-digital/

    Interesting, thanks for sharing! Isn't that basically selling to EIG? Someone in the comment section mentioned that.
    What's your go-to SEO plugin if you use any? You mentioned you'd optimize texts already for SEO, but I wasn't sure whether you used any plugin?

  • Awesome news for Divi fans :)

    A mail regarding this update just came in :)

    P9M2x.jpg

    Today we are excited to release a transformational Divi Performance update that speeds up Divi from every angle and lays down a foundation on which Divi can grow with more modules and more features without ever adding bloat to your website. We turned Divi into a super light-weight theme by modularizing its PHP framework and assets, loading and processing only what’s needed on-demand based on the modules and features you use. We made Divi super smart, automatically identifying Critical CSS, deferring non-critical styles and reducing the Divi Builder’s CSS output by combining duplicate styles. We also introduced a collection of new options that automatically improve performance by caching and deferring various render-blocking requests and removing unneeded resources.

    Read full blog post here: https://www.elegantthemes.com/blog/theme-releases/divi-performance

  • Wow.. I need to update indtalled divi to the latest version..

    A simple uptime dashboard using UptimeRobot API https://upy.duo.ovh
    Currently using VPS from BuyVM, GreenCloudVPS, Gullo's, Hetzner, HostHatch, InceptionHosting, LetBox, MaxKVM, MrVM, VirMach.

  • level6level6 OG
    edited August 2021

    @vyas said:
    Yoast SEO plugin acquired by Bluehost

    https://yoast.com/exciting-news-yoast-joins-newfold-digital/

    Thanks...now I'll> @Ympker said:

    @vyas said:
    @Ympker

    Nichesss is one of the better ones

    36 US dollars using code Annual40

    https://stacksocial.com/sales/nichesss-lifetime-subscription

    Long form is decent, short form is good. Clounky interface though

    Not too expensive, but looks too cluncky for smth that I don't really "need" :P Thanks for sharing, though!

    @vyas said:
    Yoast SEO plugin acquired by Bluehost

    https://yoast.com/exciting-news-yoast-joins-newfold-digital/

    Interesting, thanks for sharing! Isn't that basically selling to EIG? Someone in the comment section mentioned that.
    What's your go-to SEO plugin if you use any? You mentioned you'd optimize texts already for SEO, but I wasn't sure whether you used any plugin?

    What plugin to use instead of Yoast, Rankmath?

  • @level6 said:
    What plugin to use instead of Yoast, Rankmath?

    The SEO Framework or SEOPress if you want a full-fledged SEO plugin. Slim SEO if you want a lightweight plugin with limited but essential features.

    Have you tried turning it off and on again?

  • YmpkerYmpker OG
    edited August 2021

    @level6 said:

    @vyas said:
    Yoast SEO plugin acquired by Bluehost

    https://yoast.com/exciting-news-yoast-joins-newfold-digital/

    Thanks...now I'll> @Ympker said:

    @vyas said:
    @Ympker

    Nichesss is one of the better ones

    36 US dollars using code Annual40

    https://stacksocial.com/sales/nichesss-lifetime-subscription

    Long form is decent, short form is good. Clounky interface though

    Not too expensive, but looks too cluncky for smth that I don't really "need" :P Thanks for sharing, though!

    @vyas said:
    Yoast SEO plugin acquired by Bluehost

    https://yoast.com/exciting-news-yoast-joins-newfold-digital/

    Interesting, thanks for sharing! Isn't that basically selling to EIG? Someone in the comment section mentioned that.
    What's your go-to SEO plugin if you use any? You mentioned you'd optimize texts already for SEO, but I wasn't sure whether you used any plugin?

    What plugin to use instead of Yoast, Rankmath?

    Probably it boils down to what
    MS said :) Personally, I am eager to give Slimseo a try. I think @bikegremlin uses Seo Framework?! I never used Rankmath so can't comment on that one.

  • bikegremlinbikegremlin ModeratorOG

    @Ympker said:

    @level6 said:

    @vyas said:
    Yoast SEO plugin acquired by Bluehost

    https://yoast.com/exciting-news-yoast-joins-newfold-digital/

    Thanks...now I'll> @Ympker said:

    @vyas said:
    @Ympker

    Nichesss is one of the better ones

    36 US dollars using code Annual40

    https://stacksocial.com/sales/nichesss-lifetime-subscription

    Long form is decent, short form is good. Clounky interface though

    Not too expensive, but looks too cluncky for smth that I don't really "need" :P Thanks for sharing, though!

    @vyas said:
    Yoast SEO plugin acquired by Bluehost

    https://yoast.com/exciting-news-yoast-joins-newfold-digital/

    Interesting, thanks for sharing! Isn't that basically selling to EIG? Someone in the comment section mentioned that.
    What's your go-to SEO plugin if you use any? You mentioned you'd optimize texts already for SEO, but I wasn't sure whether you used any plugin?

    What plugin to use instead of Yoast, Rankmath?

    Probably it boils down to what
    MS said :) Personally, I am eager to give Slimseo a try. I think @bikegremlin uses Seo Framework?! I never used Rankmath so can't comment on that one.

    For about a year now, I've switched all the websites to The SEO Framework (TSF).
    For a bit more details, I wrote an article comparing it with Yoast, and mentioning some other alternatives:
    TSF vs Yoast
    (long, boring, in detail, as usual :) )

  • @bikegremlin said:

    @Ympker said:

    @level6 said:

    @vyas said:
    Yoast SEO plugin acquired by Bluehost

    https://yoast.com/exciting-news-yoast-joins-newfold-digital/

    Thanks...now I'll> @Ympker said:

    @vyas said:
    @Ympker

    Nichesss is one of the better ones

    36 US dollars using code Annual40

    https://stacksocial.com/sales/nichesss-lifetime-subscription

    Long form is decent, short form is good. Clounky interface though

    Not too expensive, but looks too cluncky for smth that I don't really "need" :P Thanks for sharing, though!

    @vyas said:
    Yoast SEO plugin acquired by Bluehost

    https://yoast.com/exciting-news-yoast-joins-newfold-digital/

    Interesting, thanks for sharing! Isn't that basically selling to EIG? Someone in the comment section mentioned that.
    What's your go-to SEO plugin if you use any? You mentioned you'd optimize texts already for SEO, but I wasn't sure whether you used any plugin?

    What plugin to use instead of Yoast, Rankmath?

    Probably it boils down to what
    MS said :) Personally, I am eager to give Slimseo a try. I think @bikegremlin uses Seo Framework?! I never used Rankmath so can't comment on that one.

    For about a year now, I've switched all the websites to The SEO Framework (TSF).
    For a bit more details, I wrote an article comparing it with Yoast, and mentioning some other alternatives:
    TSF vs Yoast
    (long, boring, in detail, as usual :) )

    Coming from Yoast this could be interesting! Thanks mate :)

  • People how you solve the slow backend issue? Sometimes when i have many webpages the backend is sloooooooooow

    I believe in good luck. Harder that I work ,luckier i get.

  • YmpkerYmpker OG
    edited August 2021

    @Chievo said:
    People how you solve the slow backend issue? Sometimes when i have many webpages the backend is sloooooooooow

    What do you mean, exactly? Do you have a WordPress website with many pages and your guess is that this is what makes it slow in the backend?

    First, try to review every plugin you are using and question yourself whether you really need it. Too many Plugins can quickly become a bottle-neck.

    Second: Are your images optimized? If not, sign up for the free plan of ShortPixel and optimize images (size can go down from 5MB to some 500kb-ish which helps a lot. CDN (CF/bunny.net/Stackpath) can also be an option.

    Third: Infrastructure of hosting Provider. Is it shared/reseller hosting, or on vps/dedi? What setup is being run? Litespeed with LSCache would be beneficial.

    Fourth: Are you using any caching plugin? If Litespeed Webserver try LSCache. Otherwhise, I used to use W3Total Cache.

    Of course, many more paints can be considered. Also check how much memory usage limit us defined in wp-config :)

    Also check: https://www.wpbeginner.com/wordpress-performance-speed/

  • @Ympker said:

    @Chievo said:
    People how you solve the slow backend issue? Sometimes when i have many webpages the backend is sloooooooooow

    What do you mean, exactly? Do you have a WordPress website with many pages and your guess is that this is what makes it slow in the backend?

    First, try to review every plugin you are using and question yourself whether you really need it. Too many Plugins can quickly become a bottle-neck.

    Second: Are your images optimized? If not, sign up for the free plan of ShortPixel and optimize images (size can go down from 5MB to some 500kb-ish which helps a lot. CDN (CF/bunny.net/Stackpath) can also be an option.

    Third: Infrastructure of hosting Provider. Is it shared/reseller hosting, or on vps/dedi? What setup is being run? Litespeed with LSCache would be beneficial.

    Fourth: Are you using any caching plugin? If Litespeed Webserver try LSCache. Otherwhise, I used to use W3Total Cache.

    Of course, many more paints can be considered. Also check how much memory usage limit us defined in wp-config :)

    Also check: https://www.wpbeginner.com/wordpress-performance-speed/

    1.Yes may be too many plugins is the issue.
    2. Yes everyrhing optimized
    3. Vps centminmod
    4. Yes the recomended foe centminmod cache plugin.
    5. Yes memory could be the problem as well 256MB or so.
    I have read that there is bug for google chrome what makes the backend slow. May be i should try to debug step by step

    I believe in good luck. Harder that I work ,luckier i get.

  • YmpkerYmpker OG
    edited August 2021

    @Chievo said:

    @Ympker said:

    @Chievo said:
    People how you solve the slow backend issue? Sometimes when i have many webpages the backend is sloooooooooow

    What do you mean, exactly? Do you have a WordPress website with many pages and your guess is that this is what makes it slow in the backend?

    First, try to review every plugin you are using and question yourself whether you really need it. Too many Plugins can quickly become a bottle-neck.

    Second: Are your images optimized? If not, sign up for the free plan of ShortPixel and optimize images (size can go down from 5MB to some 500kb-ish which helps a lot. CDN (CF/bunny.net/Stackpath) can also be an option.

    Third: Infrastructure of hosting Provider. Is it shared/reseller hosting, or on vps/dedi? What setup is being run? Litespeed with LSCache would be beneficial.

    Fourth: Are you using any caching plugin? If Litespeed Webserver try LSCache. Otherwhise, I used to use W3Total Cache.

    Of course, many more paints can be considered. Also check how much memory usage limit us defined in wp-config :)

    Also check: https://www.wpbeginner.com/wordpress-performance-speed/

    1.Yes may be too many plugins is the issue.
    2. Yes everyrhing optimized
    3. Vps centminmod
    4. Yes the recomended foe centminmod cache plugin.
    5. Yes memory could be the problem as well 256MB or so.
    I have read that there is bug for google chrome what makes the backend slow. May be i should try to debug step by step

    1. Maybe double-check if you need all the Plugins, then :)

    2. Nice!

    3. and 4. I haven't used Centminmod in a looong while (even more because I am a Debian/Ubuntu guy). I assume everything is fine, however vps does not always outperform shared hosting. Depends on the setup etc. If you have some leftover money get a small lifetime plan @MikePT . Super snappy and powerful hosting with Litespeed :)

      5.) 256mb may be too low with so many plugins. Also I/O etc plays a role. Mike has pretty good resource limits, too. Worth a try, I guess :)

  • johnkjohnk Provider
    edited August 2021

    @Chievo said:

    @Ympker said:

    @Chievo said:
    People how you solve the slow backend issue? Sometimes when i have many webpages the backend is sloooooooooow

    What do you mean, exactly? Do you have a WordPress website with many pages and your guess is that this is what makes it slow in the backend?

    First, try to review every plugin you are using and question yourself whether you really need it. Too many Plugins can quickly become a bottle-neck.

    Second: Are your images optimized? If not, sign up for the free plan of ShortPixel and optimize images (size can go down from 5MB to some 500kb-ish which helps a lot. CDN (CF/bunny.net/Stackpath) can also be an option.

    Third: Infrastructure of hosting Provider. Is it shared/reseller hosting, or on vps/dedi? What setup is being run? Litespeed with LSCache would be beneficial.

    Fourth: Are you using any caching plugin? If Litespeed Webserver try LSCache. Otherwhise, I used to use W3Total Cache.

    Of course, many more paints can be considered. Also check how much memory usage limit us defined in wp-config :)

    Also check: https://www.wpbeginner.com/wordpress-performance-speed/

    1.Yes may be too many plugins is the issue.
    2. Yes everyrhing optimized
    3. Vps centminmod
    4. Yes the recomended foe centminmod cache plugin.
    5. Yes memory could be the problem as well 256MB or so.
    I have read that there is bug for google chrome what makes the backend slow. May be i should try to debug step by step

    1. This is probably the issue. A list of plugins would help - it also depends on what you consider "slow" - 500 msec? 3 seconds? 10 seconds? Some "sluggishness" is expected with more plugins
    2. Optimized images don't matter as far as the backend is concerned.
    3, 4: OK. You don't need litespeed, won't really make a difference
    5: Memory limit doesn't affect performance. You either have enough or don't. 256 M is more than sane, needing any more is a sign of a bad plugin.

    First step, see if the issue is actually "backend," meaning the initial server response. A Chrome Waterfall will show this to you.

     - If it is, considering running some sort of application tracing - Query Monitor (plugin) will provide basic analytics, while New Relic/Dynatrace/Appdynamics/XRay/XDebug can provide per-function downs 
    
            - Deactivate/remove/optimize as needed based on data
            - Track down where the bottleneck is in the stack - PHP, MySQL, NGINX
            - Track down what is causing the stack bottleneck - io latency? poorly optimized configurations? large run queue?
    
     - If it isn't actually the initial server response giving you problems, find out what. A blocking JS assets in a loop? A non-loading asset blocking render? Sluggish browser CPU?
    
            - Fix as needed.
    

    FWIW....IO (IOPS, IO r/w) limits rarely make a difference on WP unless you're unpacking archives or it's truly severely throttle. Disk load, and thereby queue size + latency impact performance much more, and there's no LVE limit for that.

  • bikegremlinbikegremlin ModeratorOG

    @Chievo

    With WP, at least in my experience, CPU is the bottleneck.

    When editing post categories in the backend, you can get a lot of CPU load. For example, say you have 40 posts in category B, which is below category A. If you edit B to set C as its parent category, that will cause some load until WP does all the database edits.

    For the slow backend:

    What do you mean by "when i have many webpages the backend"?
    You open many pages and edit them at the same time (in several tabs)? Or something else?

    What pops to mind is creating a staging website copy and running it in debug mode, to see if there are any errors.
    Hell, for a start, you could even try pressing F12, and choosing the "Network" tab and also taking a look at the "Console" tab - to see if there are any errors as you are picking a page to edit and when you try to save any edits.

    Another thing - prolong the autosave interval might help. You do that by adding this to the wp-config.php file:
    // prolonging WP auto-save interval to 300 seconds
    define( 'AUTOSAVE_INTERVAL', 300 );

  • @bikegremlin said:
    @Chievo

    With WP, at least in my experience, CPU is the bottleneck.

    When editing post categories in the backend, you can get a lot of CPU load. For example, say you have 40 posts in category B, which is below category A. If you edit B to set C as its parent category, that will cause some load until WP does all the database edits.

    For the slow backend:

    What do you mean by "when i have many webpages the backend"?
    You open many pages and edit them at the same time (in several tabs)? Or something else?

    What pops to mind is creating a staging website copy and running it in debug mode, to see if there are any errors.
    Hell, for a start, you could even try pressing F12, and choosing the "Network" tab and also taking a look at the "Console" tab - to see if there are any errors as you are picking a page to edit and when you try to save any edits.

    Another thing - prolong the autosave interval might help. You do that by adding this to the wp-config.php file:
    // prolonging WP auto-save interval to 300 seconds
    define( 'AUTOSAVE_INTERVAL', 300 );

    Thanks for your help! Well i mean i have lot of plugins and opening 1 page to edit in the backend it takes me lot of time to be charged. Visual composer plugin that i am using. Yes i must get a try from what @Ympker has said and your advice. I would try do debug and see which could be the problem.

    I believe in good luck. Harder that I work ,luckier i get.

  • @johnk said:

    @Chievo said:

    @Ympker said:

    @Chievo said:
    People how you solve the slow backend issue? Sometimes when i have many webpages the backend is sloooooooooow

    What do you mean, exactly? Do you have a WordPress website with many pages and your guess is that this is what makes it slow in the backend?

    First, try to review every plugin you are using and question yourself whether you really need it. Too many Plugins can quickly become a bottle-neck.

    Second: Are your images optimized? If not, sign up for the free plan of ShortPixel and optimize images (size can go down from 5MB to some 500kb-ish which helps a lot. CDN (CF/bunny.net/Stackpath) can also be an option.

    Third: Infrastructure of hosting Provider. Is it shared/reseller hosting, or on vps/dedi? What setup is being run? Litespeed with LSCache would be beneficial.

    Fourth: Are you using any caching plugin? If Litespeed Webserver try LSCache. Otherwhise, I used to use W3Total Cache.

    Of course, many more paints can be considered. Also check how much memory usage limit us defined in wp-config :)

    Also check: https://www.wpbeginner.com/wordpress-performance-speed/

    1.Yes may be too many plugins is the issue.
    2. Yes everyrhing optimized
    3. Vps centminmod
    4. Yes the recomended foe centminmod cache plugin.
    5. Yes memory could be the problem as well 256MB or so.
    I have read that there is bug for google chrome what makes the backend slow. May be i should try to debug step by step

    1. This is probably the issue. A list of plugins would help - it also depends on what you consider "slow" - 500 msec? 3 seconds? 10 seconds? Some "sluggishness" is expected with more plugins
    2. Optimized images don't matter as far as the backend is concerned.
    3, 4: OK. You don't need litespeed, won't really make a difference
    5: Memory limit doesn't affect performance. You either have enough or don't. 256 M is more than sane, needing any more is a sign of a bad plugin.

    First step, see if the issue is actually "backend," meaning the initial server response. A Chrome Waterfall will show this to you.

     - If it is, considering running some sort of application tracing - Query Monitor (plugin) will provide basic analytics, while New Relic/Dynatrace/Appdynamics/XRay/XDebug can provide per-function downs 
    
            - Deactivate/remove/optimize as needed based on data
            - Track down where the bottleneck is in the stack - PHP, MySQL, NGINX
            - Track down what is causing the stack bottleneck - io latency? poorly optimized configurations? large run queue?
    
     - If it isn't actually the initial server response giving you problems, find out what. A blocking JS assets in a loop? A non-loading asset blocking render? Sluggish browser CPU?
    
            - Fix as needed.
    

    FWIW....IO (IOPS, IO r/w) limits rarely make a difference on WP unless you're unpacking archives or it's truly severely throttle. Disk load, and thereby queue size + latency impact performance much more, and there's no LVE limit for that.

    Thanks for the advice. I would try to debug and see what the issue could be.

    I believe in good luck. Harder that I work ,luckier i get.

  • @Ympker said:

    @Chievo said:

    @Ympker said:

    @Chievo said:
    People how you solve the slow backend issue? Sometimes when i have many webpages the backend is sloooooooooow

    What do you mean, exactly? Do you have a WordPress website with many pages and your guess is that this is what makes it slow in the backend?

    First, try to review every plugin you are using and question yourself whether you really need it. Too many Plugins can quickly become a bottle-neck.

    Second: Are your images optimized? If not, sign up for the free plan of ShortPixel and optimize images (size can go down from 5MB to some 500kb-ish which helps a lot. CDN (CF/bunny.net/Stackpath) can also be an option.

    Third: Infrastructure of hosting Provider. Is it shared/reseller hosting, or on vps/dedi? What setup is being run? Litespeed with LSCache would be beneficial.

    Fourth: Are you using any caching plugin? If Litespeed Webserver try LSCache. Otherwhise, I used to use W3Total Cache.

    Of course, many more paints can be considered. Also check how much memory usage limit us defined in wp-config :)

    Also check: https://www.wpbeginner.com/wordpress-performance-speed/

    1.Yes may be too many plugins is the issue.
    2. Yes everyrhing optimized
    3. Vps centminmod
    4. Yes the recomended foe centminmod cache plugin.
    5. Yes memory could be the problem as well 256MB or so.
    I have read that there is bug for google chrome what makes the backend slow. May be i should try to debug step by step

    1. Maybe double-check if you need all the Plugins, then :)

    2. Nice!

    3. and 4. I haven't used Centminmod in a looong while (even more because I am a Debian/Ubuntu guy). I assume everything is fine, however vps does not always outperform shared hosting. Depends on the setup etc. If you have some leftover money get a small lifetime plan @MikePT . Super snappy and powerful hosting with Litespeed :)

      5.) 256mb may be too low with so many plugins. Also I/O etc plays a role. Mike has pretty good resource limits, too. Worth a try, I guess :)

    Thanks i would see which is the issue and solve it. Let s see

    I believe in good luck. Harder that I work ,luckier i get.

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    @chocolateshirt said:
    After several years of vaccuum, I am planning to continue writing blog again..

    Give Blocksy Theme a try. Really slick & performant :)

  • @Ympker said:
    People seem really to like Divi's new update:

    yQq3q.jpg

    @chocolateshirt said:
    After several years of vaccuum, I am planning to continue writing blog again..

    Give Blocksy Theme a try. Really slick & performant :)

    Yeah, I hope I could try it..

    A simple uptime dashboard using UptimeRobot API https://upy.duo.ovh
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  • @chocolateshirt said:

    @Ympker said:
    People seem really to like Divi's new update:

    yQq3q.jpg

    @chocolateshirt said:
    After several years of vaccuum, I am planning to continue writing blog again..

    Give Blocksy Theme a try. Really slick & performant :)

    Yeah, I hope I could try it..

    Blocksy Theme is free, so shouldn't be an issue :)

  • bikegremlinbikegremlin ModeratorOG

    Blocksy seems slower compared to GeneratePress or OceanWP - at least when looking at GTmetrix test results.
    It's not the worst I've seen, but compared to those other two, I'd call it "OK" in terms of speed.
    It may be "slick & performant" compared to some other themes that offer many design customizations out of the box - haven't compared it to such themes.

  • YmpkerYmpker OG
    edited August 2021

    @bikegremlin said:
    Blocksy seems slower compared to GeneratePress or OceanWP - at least when looking at GTmetrix test results.
    It's not the worst I've seen, but compared to those other two, I'd call it "OK" in terms of speed.
    It may be "slick & performant" compared to some other themes that offer many design customizations out of the box - haven't compared it to such themes.

    I'd also add that, while I haven't really tested GP or OceanWP, Blocksy is very beginner friendly and offers many otherwhise often "premium featues" out of the box. My friend from university (she is usually non-tech savy) is super happy with it and created her first blog with it. I also recommended it to another LE member who was looking for a solution for their friend who was also a beginner and from what I was told they seem very happy. Astra was once what I considered slick&light-weigth but tbh I like Blocksy (free) even more than Astra now.

  • bikegremlinbikegremlin ModeratorOG

    @Ympker said:

    @bikegremlin said:
    Blocksy seems slower compared to GeneratePress or OceanWP - at least when looking at GTmetrix test results.
    It's not the worst I've seen, but compared to those other two, I'd call it "OK" in terms of speed.
    It may be "slick & performant" compared to some other themes that offer many design customizations out of the box - haven't compared it to such themes.

    I'd also add that, while I haven't really tested GP or OceanWP, Blocksy is very beginner friendly and offers many otherwhise often "premium featues" out of the box. My friend from university (she is usually non-tech savy) is super happy with it and created her first blog with it. I also recommended it to another LE member who was looking for a solution for their friend who was also a beginner and from what I was told they seem very happy. Astra was once what I considered slick&light-weigth but tbh I like Blocksy (free) even more than Astra now.

    I gave Blocksy another try - while redesigning my website(s).

    Pros:
    The free version offers many options out of the box.
    Menus are nicely and logically sorted.

    Big downside (IMO): their CSS uses a lot of "!important"-s. For all I know, that's a sign of a poor design (relying on those).
    And it is a hassle to edit/customize such CSS.

    So I couldn't edit any CSS using a child theme, and had to resort to the "Additional CSS" option in the WP backend.

    In this case, Blocksy was the easiest way to get to my desired layout (not perfect, no theme is) with a minimal amount of extra "writing" (I wouldn't call that coding). :) But I'm not convinced they really know what they're doing, based on the way CSS is configured. Either that, or it's deliberate, in order to force people to pay for the premium version to get a "normal" CSS (not sure which option is worse).

    To clarify: using exactly the same selectors and declarations works from the "Aditional CSS" but doesn't work from a child theme.
    While any edits to the child theme's functions.php work just fine (so I suppose it is not a child theme related problem).

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  • @bikegremlin said:

    @Ympker said:

    @bikegremlin said:
    Blocksy seems slower compared to GeneratePress or OceanWP - at least when looking at GTmetrix test results.
    It's not the worst I've seen, but compared to those other two, I'd call it "OK" in terms of speed.
    It may be "slick & performant" compared to some other themes that offer many design customizations out of the box - haven't compared it to such themes.

    I'd also add that, while I haven't really tested GP or OceanWP, Blocksy is very beginner friendly and offers many otherwhise often "premium featues" out of the box. My friend from university (she is usually non-tech savy) is super happy with it and created her first blog with it. I also recommended it to another LE member who was looking for a solution for their friend who was also a beginner and from what I was told they seem very happy. Astra was once what I considered slick&light-weigth but tbh I like Blocksy (free) even more than Astra now.

    I gave Blocksy another try - while redesigning my website(s).

    Pros:
    The free version offers many options out of the box.
    Menus are nicely and logically sorted.

    Big downside (IMO): their CSS uses a lot of "!important"-s. For all I know, that's a sign of a poor design (relying on those).
    And it is a hassle to edit/customize such CSS.

    So I couldn't edit any CSS using a child theme, and had to resort to the "Additional CSS" option in the WP backend.

    In this case, Blocksy was the easiest way to get to my desired layout (not perfect, no theme is) with a minimal amount of extra "writing" (I wouldn't call that coding). :) But I'm not convinced they really know what they're doing, based on the way CSS is configured. Either that, or it's deliberate, in order to force people to pay for the premium version to get a "normal" CSS (not sure which option is worse).

    To clarify: using exactly the same selectors and declarations works from the "Aditional CSS" but doesn't work from a child theme.
    While any edits to the child theme's functions.php work just fine (so I suppose it is not a child theme related problem).

    Glad you had another look at Blocksy (free). I was also very surprised to see this many "premium" options available for free. Especially felt like everything I was looking for was exactly where I'd imagined it had to be. Thus, very intuitive. I haven't checked their code, but that seems indeed a bit "bad practice" :/ I also feel, while it can be really awesome, Blocksy is still somewhat half-baked. That is why I did not purchase the agency license yet.

    @chocolateshirt said:
    Wordpress + divi + lscache on MyW.pt is fcking amazing..

    I know, right? :D

  • bikegremlinbikegremlin ModeratorOG
    edited August 2021

    @Ympker said:

    I also feel, while it can be really awesome, Blocksy is still somewhat half-baked. That is why I did not purchase the agency license yet.

    I was looking at their lifetime offer with those exact thoughts. Decided to wait.

    Edit - regarding Blocksy child CSS:
    https://creativethemes.com/blocksy/docs/general/child-theme/

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