@Rahul said:
FAT32 No accusation from my side. Just asked out of curiosity and maybe a little jealousy, hoping it was idling on your hand.
To be honest, I haven't drop a PM to cociu yet because I don't have time to set it up until next month. Idling without server is the next level of idling.
@tgl Anyway, I am sorry for being too sensitive about the response. All is well don't worry.
食之无味 弃之可惜 - Too arduous to relish, too wasteful to discard.
More like multiple tries and capture when it pops up.
If it was me, I would just edit the website source from chrome dev tools and make it say the number I wanted on every click
Btw, the use who won has zero visits. So after he joined, he never signed in?
is what it is, you can believe it is genuine or not, makes no difference to me at all, I have been working (fairly hard) since around 6am, it is now 11:32pm and I am not close to being finished, I assure you i have better things to do with my time
With that said a big thanks to @cociu I really appreciate your efforts but this thread has to much opportunity for negative inflections sadly so I will be drawing a line under it from here from my perspective.
if you guys want to continue it be my guest, you can find out if a user is registered using the links in the post above, just pop the number 400 in and if nothing comes up we are not at 400.
How about draw out the remaining numbers now, as a means to a) bring the madness to an end and b) reward loyal early adopters.. if banned, post count = 0, already won then redraw?
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More like multiple tries and capture when it pops up.
If it was me, I would just edit the website source from chrome dev tools and make it say the number I wanted on every click
Btw, the use who won has zero visits. So after he joined, he never signed in?
is what it is, you can believe it is genuine or not, makes no difference to me at all, I have been working (fairly hard) since around 6am, it is now 11:32pm and I am not close to being finished, I assure you i have better things to do with my time
With that said a big thanks to @cociu I really appreciate your efforts but this thread has to much opportunity for negative inflections sadly so I will be drawing a line under it from here from my perspective.
if you guys want to continue it be my guest, you can find out if a user is registered using the links in the post above, just pop the number 400 in and if nothing comes up we are not at 400.
Bro, I was just joking. I know the lottery was genuine. Hope you understand.
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maybe @cociu should pick his own random number rather than asking @AnthonySmith to do it. That way everyone will not belittle or disrespect @AnthonySmith or anyone else..
Looks like we have over 400 accounts now.
Who is going to do the honours of messing about with a random number generator this time? @cociu@AnthonySmith@FAT32
@AnthonySmith - sure, I'll just pipe the text of this message through sha256sum and do a modulo 500 of the hash. (And a modulo 400 as well, if that's still to be determined).
Mathematically I'm not sure if that makes exactly even odds for all players - but it is about as random (that is, difficult to predetermine) as one could hope for.
$ sha256sum -
@AnthonySmith - sure, I'll just pipe the text of this message through sha256sum and do a modulo 500 of the hash. (And a modulo 400 as well, if that's still to be determined).
Mathematically I'm not sure if that makes exactly even odds for all players - but it is about as random (that is, difficult to predetermine) as one could hope for.
Will leave this message unedited for posterity.
b79de269356b34034f20c362ce13d5f22727b643ffaae4f24bca9a6f605576e1 -
$ python3
Python 3.6.8 (default, Oct 7 2019, 12:59:55)
[GCC 8.3.0] on linux
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>> hash = 0xb79de269356b34034f20c362ce13d5f22727b643ffaae4f24bca9a6f605576e1
>>> hash % 500
473
>>> hash % 400
273
As suspected, mathematically not perfect (especially since using same hash for 400 and 500 gave results ending in 73 each time)
I'll do some analysis to see just how fair this method is and welcome suggestions for future refinements, but for now I'll warrant it seems to be close enough for government work as far as a quick and dirty "done deal" goes.
Can use this message as the source for the next hash - will leave unedited for posterity as well.
(unless there are any serious objections) I'll leave it to @MikePT and @Kyle_ to get in touch with @cociu to claim their fine fine superfine FREE FOR LIFE 1 TB prize for being the latest lucky OGs blessed by the sacred hash!
@uptime said:
Can use this message as the source for the next hash - will leave unedited for posterity as well.
though I suppose now someone could run that last source through sha256sum and see what the magic number is.
So will have to add some random salt.
Needless to say I do hereby also remove myself from being eligible to win this prize, in order to avoid appearance of possible shenanigans, just for the principle of the thing or whatever.
But will try to come up with a more verifiably fair lottery method before we get to 600 (which I'm guessing will be about a week from now, if not sooner)
thanks for trusting me with this
And thanks @cociu for providing such an awesome prize! You da real MVP!
uptime said: Mathematically I'm not sure if that makes exactly even odds for all players - but it is about as random (that is, difficult to predetermine) as one could hope for.
Cryptographic hashing algorithms are specifically designed to have (on average) equal distribution of output values, so the hash part should be fine.
uptime said: As suspected, mathematically not perfect (especially since using same hash for 400 and 500 gave results ending in 73 each time)
That would be because 400 and 500 both end in 00, and so the last two digits of the result will always be the same, since nothing gets subtracted from the original value for those digits (which also ends in 73). Try hashing a concatenation of the original message + the user count instead, and then doing the remainder thing. That'll ensure that the input hash is different (according to equal distribution) for each user count.
This is why I initially sunk this thread, any fun, celebration and joy was sucked out of it by people wanting bulletproof methods of picking the winners, so much so BSDGuy joined to argue.
Its a bit of fun, have a smoke and a pancake and enjoy.
@Solaire - thanks! indeed that makes good sense, in line with what was agreed on before for as a nice way to bump odds a bit for the earliest OG OGs - thus encouraging people to sign up sooner rather than later
sorry I forgot about that!
so let's definitely do something along those lines going forward - but as for this time around, maybe we would redo it if and only if for some reason @MikePT doesn't want the FREE FOR LIFE 1 TB dealie - otherwise at this point in the game I'd feel like I was jerking him around a bit. (Might also note that @MikePT signed up a couple weeks ago, on November 23d.)
(and the odds would be shifted by 20% ... or 25% I guess? whatever that means, lol)
I'll take some time to think this out more carefully going foreward!
I suspect I may have missed a few wrinkles in my rush not to overthink the whole thing too much (primary goal was to remove the incentive to have people play a waiting game trying to sign up for a magic member id number, if that were able to be somehow predetermined)
@AnthonySmith - no worries about that, for me learning about useful maths is always fun (and I just try to keep it that way - no more, no less.) Though can see how having people casting aspersions as to the intent and integrity of the game would surely suck eggs - just maybe a bit less so for me, by virtue of the fact that idgaf
joepie91 said: Try hashing a concatenation of the original message + the user count instead, and then doing the remainder thing. That'll ensure that the input hash is different (according to equal distribution) for each user count.
@joepie91 - thanks very much for that succinct explanation and perfectly workable suggestion.
Whatever it may have lacked in:
paranoia
italics
bulletpoints
and walls of text
... it more than made up for in epistemological coherence!
just going to do the next simplest thing and run the snippet suggested by @Solaire
$ python3
Python 3.6.8 (default, Oct 7 2019, 12:59:55)
[GCC 8.3.0] on linux
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>> import random
>>> random.seed(0xb79de269356b34034f20c362ce13d5f22727b643ffaae4f24bca9a6f605576e1)
>>> random.randint(1, 400)
316
hello hello hello OG @yng68bld - you have been Randomly Selected to receive a Wonderful Prize courtesy of @cociu and various pseudo-random machinations! Please make a post here to confirm you are indeed still active on this forum - and then send a PM to @cociu to claim your FREE FOR LIFE 1 TB KVM STORAGE
Seems we need some PhD in math to solve this random number question. The "Real random numbers" are produced using physical phenomena so we might need Physicist and engineer
also I guess we could just have 10 people each do a coin flip to generate a 10 bit number, sufficient for our purposes here
(something something blockchain lol)
anyhoo - I'm inclined to call this close enough for jazz, for now - but I'll try to wrap it up in a nice, bulletproof package by the time we get to 600 members for the next draw.
meanwhile, I sent PMs to @Kyle_ and @yng68bld asking them to post in this thread. I'll send a PM to @cociu as well shortly, just to let him know where we are at with all this.
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To be honest, I haven't drop a PM to cociu yet because I don't have time to set it up until next month. Idling without server is the next level of idling.
@tgl Anyway, I am sorry for being too sensitive about the response. All is well don't worry.
食之无味 弃之可惜 - Too arduous to relish, too wasteful to discard.
@tgl do not worry about it man, i got where you came from, that other guy told some shit before, but I was just joking so np, I know you tried to help
Fair enough
@FAT32 is a nice guy, I think we just had a sarcastic language barrier for a brief second and then BSDguy threw his usual flavor or crazy in the mix.
Lets just smile and move on, no one intended to point any fingers, written language does not always show proper intent.
We are at 296.
At 300 i will use googles random number picker from 1 to 300 and take a video of it, then turn that in to a gif and post it
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The results are in!
OMFG THAT IS SO FUNNY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Profile 146 = https://talk.lowendspirit.com/profile/146/name
WHAT were the odds of that!!!!!!!!!!! I am so pleased I screen capped it.
So I suppose that means a redraw:
I dunbelivit
Profile 136 = https://talk.lowendspirit.com/profile/136/name
haha, what an excellent draw, could not make this up.
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after reading my post I see the odds are obviously... 1 in 300
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More like multiple tries and capture when it pops up.
If it was me, I would just edit the website source from chrome dev tools and make it say the number I wanted on every click
Btw, the use who won has zero visits. So after he joined, he never signed in?
is what it is, you can believe it is genuine or not, makes no difference to me at all, I have been working (fairly hard) since around 6am, it is now 11:32pm and I am not close to being finished, I assure you i have better things to do with my time
With that said a big thanks to @cociu I really appreciate your efforts but this thread has to much opportunity for negative inflections sadly so I will be drawing a line under it from here from my perspective.
if you guys want to continue it be my guest, you can find out if a user is registered using the links in the post above, just pop the number 400 in and if nothing comes up we are not at 400.
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How about draw out the remaining numbers now, as a means to a) bring the madness to an end and b) reward loyal early adopters.. if banned, post count = 0, already won then redraw?
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Bro, I was just joking. I know the lottery was genuine. Hope you understand.
No worries, it’s just the 3rd potential spark of controversy, so I am removing myself and the thread from becoming a mess under a microscope.
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maybe @cociu should pick his own random number rather than asking @AnthonySmith to do it. That way everyone will not belittle or disrespect @AnthonySmith or anyone else..
Looks like we have over 400 accounts now.
Who is going to do the honours of messing about with a random number generator this time?
@cociu @AnthonySmith @FAT32
But one can crawl for all numbers and index it.
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knock yourself out.
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Who wins?
hello Guys , we have been out from here due of BF sales.. we have a winer or not ?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
hey hey we just hit 500 accounts (501 but who's counting ...)
@cociu @AnthonySmith @FAT32
HS4LIFE (+ (* 3 4) (* 5 6))
@uptime maybe you can take over managing this?
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@AnthonySmith - sure, I'll just pipe the text of this message through sha256sum and do a modulo 500 of the hash. (And a modulo 400 as well, if that's still to be determined).
Mathematically I'm not sure if that makes exactly even odds for all players - but it is about as random (that is, difficult to predetermine) as one could hope for.
Will leave this message unedited for posterity.
HS4LIFE (+ (* 3 4) (* 5 6))
https://talk.lowendspirit.com/profile/273/winner400 is @MikePT
https://talk.lowendspirit.com/profile/473/winner500 is @Kyle_
As suspected, mathematically not perfect (especially since using same hash for 400 and 500 gave results ending in 73 each time)
I'll do some analysis to see just how fair this method is and welcome suggestions for future refinements, but for now I'll warrant it seems to be close enough for government work as far as a quick and dirty "done deal" goes.
Can use this message as the source for the next hash - will leave unedited for posterity as well.
HS4LIFE (+ (* 3 4) (* 5 6))
(unless there are any serious objections) I'll leave it to @MikePT and @Kyle_ to get in touch with @cociu to claim their fine fine superfine FREE FOR LIFE 1 TB prize for being the latest lucky OGs blessed by the sacred hash!
HS4LIFE (+ (* 3 4) (* 5 6))
though I suppose now someone could run that last source through sha256sum and see what the magic number is.
So will have to add some random salt.
Needless to say I do hereby also remove myself from being eligible to win this prize, in order to avoid appearance of possible shenanigans, just for the principle of the thing or whatever.
But will try to come up with a more verifiably fair lottery method before we get to 600 (which I'm guessing will be about a week from now, if not sooner)
thanks for trusting me with this
And thanks @cociu for providing such an awesome prize! You da real MVP!
HS4LIFE (+ (* 3 4) (* 5 6))
@uptime
Cryptographic hashing algorithms are specifically designed to have (on average) equal distribution of output values, so the hash part should be fine.
That would be because 400 and 500 both end in 00, and so the last two digits of the result will always be the same, since nothing gets subtracted from the original value for those digits (which also ends in 73). Try hashing a concatenation of the original message + the user count instead, and then doing the remainder thing. That'll ensure that the input hash is different (according to equal distribution) for each user count.
This is why I initially sunk this thread, any fun, celebration and joy was sucked out of it by people wanting bulletproof methods of picking the winners, so much so BSDGuy joined to argue.
Its a bit of fun, have a smoke and a pancake and enjoy.
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Please do not use the PM system here for Inception Hosting support issues.
@Solaire - thanks! indeed that makes good sense, in line with what was agreed on before for as a nice way to bump odds a bit for the earliest OG OGs - thus encouraging people to sign up sooner rather than later
sorry I forgot about that!
so let's definitely do something along those lines going forward - but as for this time around, maybe we would redo it if and only if for some reason @MikePT doesn't want the FREE FOR LIFE 1 TB dealie - otherwise at this point in the game I'd feel like I was jerking him around a bit. (Might also note that @MikePT signed up a couple weeks ago, on November 23d.)
(and the odds would be shifted by 20% ... or 25% I guess? whatever that means, lol)
I'll take some time to think this out more carefully going foreward!
I suspect I may have missed a few wrinkles in my rush not to overthink the whole thing too much (primary goal was to remove the incentive to have people play a waiting game trying to sign up for a magic member id number, if that were able to be somehow predetermined)
HS4LIFE (+ (* 3 4) (* 5 6))
@AnthonySmith - no worries about that, for me learning about useful maths is always fun (and I just try to keep it that way - no more, no less.) Though can see how having people casting aspersions as to the intent and integrity of the game would surely suck eggs - just maybe a bit less so for me, by virtue of the fact that idgaf
@joepie91 - thanks very much for that succinct explanation and perfectly workable suggestion.
Whatever it may have lacked in:
... it more than made up for in epistemological coherence!
Much appreciated.
HS4LIFE (+ (* 3 4) (* 5 6))
Hey guys,
No 1TB VPS needed.
Can be drawn to someone else!!! :P
i'd like to start the bid at $7.
Redraw! :-P
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@cociu came this morning to check it seems, we need to pick a number
Could be good to go with my with 1tb 3yr sister plan
ok, thanks @MikePT !
just going to do the next simplest thing and run the snippet suggested by @Solaire
which yields https://talk.lowendspirit.com/profile/316/winner400 - @yng68bld
hello hello hello OG @yng68bld - you have been Randomly Selected to receive a Wonderful Prize courtesy of @cociu and various pseudo-random machinations! Please make a post here to confirm you are indeed still active on this forum - and then send a PM to @cociu to claim your FREE FOR LIFE 1 TB KVM STORAGE
Thanks!
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you may need to actually PM the people for them to notice
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right-o, will do
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Seems we need some PhD in math to solve this random number question. The "Real random numbers" are produced using physical phenomena so we might need Physicist and engineer
Action and Reaction in history
@elliotc lol true ... see https://web.archive.org/web/19971210213501/http://lavarand.sgi.com/cgi-bin/how.cgi for a "state of the art" example from the previous century
EDIT - whaaa lavalamp tech still going strong at cloudflare? (who knew!) https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/encryption-lava-lamps
photo by Tom Scott
also I guess we could just have 10 people each do a coin flip to generate a 10 bit number, sufficient for our purposes here
(something something blockchain lol)
anyhoo - I'm inclined to call this close enough for jazz, for now - but I'll try to wrap it up in a nice, bulletproof package by the time we get to 600 members for the next draw.
meanwhile, I sent PMs to @Kyle_ and @yng68bld asking them to post in this thread. I'll send a PM to @cociu as well shortly, just to let him know where we are at with all this.
Fun stuff. Thanks errybuggy!
HS4LIFE (+ (* 3 4) (* 5 6))
So... may I ask what's wrong with my previous method?
食之无味 弃之可惜 - Too arduous to relish, too wasteful to discard.
@FAT32 - I forgot what it was? lol
HS4LIFE (+ (* 3 4) (* 5 6))
Basically you write a few sentences as seeds, then only show the hashes of the seeds. When the time comes, you can reveal the seed which is fair.
https://talk.lowendspirit.com/discussion/comment/4289/#Comment_4289
食之无味 弃之可惜 - Too arduous to relish, too wasteful to discard.