@WSS said:
Debian-fork for general production; Alpine for specific single tasks.
No more Void?
I run Void as a desktop; Devuan for my KVM Hypervisor, and Alpine for NS/Backup MX; OpenBSD on my low-RAM play/proxy/IRC box. I used to be a big FreeBSD guy back in the day, but I agree that 4.x went in the wrong direction. DragonFlyBSD doesn't fit my needs, or I'd probably play with it more.
"It's a hard life- to be a stick insect." - Karl Pilkington
So we overlap with Devuan. I've been running it on a VPS.
"A single swap file or partition may be up to 128 MB in size. [...] [I]f you need 256 MB of swap, you can create two 128-MB swap partitions." (M. Welsh & L. Kaufman, Running Linux, 2e, 1996, p. 49)
So we overlap with Devuan. I've been running it on a VPS.
Yep. It's Debian without the stupid, but it does take awhile to catch up. Works great as a drop-in replacement for KVM and Debian-style Apache services. If I ever decide to dump Apache, I'd probably set that up under an Alpine KVM and rebuild; I like it's low RAM use, but having Debian (Devuan) as my hypervisor just makes it a lot easier to care and feed for. I tried KVM services under Alpine, Void, and CentOS, but I hated it, despite most KVMs I deal with are CentOS based.
"It's a hard life- to be a stick insect." - Karl Pilkington
@WSS said:
I run Void as a desktop; Devuan for my KVM Hypervisor, and Alpine for NS/Backup MX; OpenBSD on my low-RAM play/proxy/IRC box. I used to be a big FreeBSD guy back in the day, but I agree that 4.x went in the wrong direction. DragonFlyBSD doesn't fit my needs, or I'd probably play with it more.
Never heard of Void, I guess I'm not paying too much attention ...
But how's the OpenBSD httpd?
Haven't tested Devuan, must be quite some work to keep developing debian stuff without all the systemd deps ...
@WSS said:
I run Void as a desktop; Devuan for my KVM Hypervisor, and Alpine for NS/Backup MX; OpenBSD on my low-RAM play/proxy/IRC box. I used to be a big FreeBSD guy back in the day, but I agree that 4.x went in the wrong direction. DragonFlyBSD doesn't fit my needs, or I'd probably play with it more.
Never heard of Void, I guess I'm not paying too much attention ...
But how's the OpenBSD httpd?
Haven't tested Devuan, must be quite some work to keep developing debian stuff without all the systemd deps ...
Void is very NetBSD-like. It was created basically as a proof-of-concept of the authors' package management system (A former NetBSD developer). The installation is text-mode, and you need to remember to create /boot/efi for newer boxes as a vfat/fat32, but otherwise it's not all that different than Arch as a rolling distribution, but the init system is daemontools-inspired. /var/service and so forth- not init, and not systemd. If you've never used djb software, this will be incredibly bizarre and foreign to you.
It makes a decent desktop with lower spec hardware/RAM - I'm rocking it on an 8 year old laptop as a daily. This is with Cinnamon, Thunderbird, Gimp, Chrome (with 8 windows), and a handful of terminal windows.
$ free -h
total used free shared buff/cache available
Mem: 15Gi 2.9Gi 2.6Gi 699Mi 9Gi 11Gi
Swap: 7.3Gi 22Mi 7.2Gi
I'm actually using thttpd on OpenBSD because it just serves semi-static and cgi-based stuff. 64MB total isn't enough for the box and httpd to be happy.
"It's a hard life- to be a stick insect." - Karl Pilkington
NixOS. I love the declarative configuration. I recently switched servers and all I had to do was copy the one configuration file, run nixos-rebuild switch and I was done. It's not foolproof, but man, it has cut down my administrative work so much, it's not even funny.
@terrorgen said:
Yet I chose i3, which is not prebuilt, lol
It helps to have one already working; then just add the option to lightdm/sddm/whatever login servie you're using. After working, then remove gnome/kde/cinnamon/etc..
"It's a hard life- to be a stick insect." - Karl Pilkington
@terrorgen said:
Yet I chose i3, which is not prebuilt, lol
It helps to have one already working; then just add the option to lightdm/sddm/whatever login servie you're using. After working, then remove gnome/kde/cinnamon/etc..
I did not take a look at Devuan since it came out. Is it a mature alternative in the meantime?
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Certified braindead since 1974 and still perfectly happy.
Amitz said: I did not take a look at Devuan since it came out.
Neither have I, but so far I've been able to avoid any systemdebilitating malware by carefully curating my Debian installs. So far only with Promox based setups have I had to sell my soul to the devil and that too because I've not (yet) had the time to invest in converting one package to play nice. Eventually...
@Amitz said:
I did not take a look at Devuan since it came out. Is it a mature alternative in the meantime?
Yeah. Ascii (latest for Devuan) is basically on-par with Deb 9. There is no specific Deb 10 compatible build that is complete, yet. Keep in mind it took like 6 months from 9's release before we saw any real work on ASCII. As long as you can handle patches but don't need bleeding edge, it works perfectly fine.
"It's a hard life- to be a stick insect." - Karl Pilkington
@Amitz said:
I did not take a look at Devuan since it came out. Is it a mature alternative in the meantime?
Yeah. Ascii (latest for Devuan) is basically on-par with Deb 9. There is no specific Deb 10 compatible build that is complete, yet. Keep in mind it took like 6 months from 9's release before we saw any real work on ASCII. As long as you can handle patches but don't need bleeding edge, it works perfectly fine.
Devuan feels a bit like "old-time Debian", and I mean this in a positive sense. As @WSS says, Devuan ASCII ~ Debian 9, definitely stable.
"A single swap file or partition may be up to 128 MB in size. [...] [I]f you need 256 MB of swap, you can create two 128-MB swap partitions." (M. Welsh & L. Kaufman, Running Linux, 2e, 1996, p. 49)
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I run Void as a desktop; Devuan for my KVM Hypervisor, and Alpine for NS/Backup MX; OpenBSD on my low-RAM play/proxy/IRC box. I used to be a big FreeBSD guy back in the day, but I agree that 4.x went in the wrong direction. DragonFlyBSD doesn't fit my needs, or I'd probably play with it more.
"It's a hard life- to be a stick insect." - Karl Pilkington
So we overlap with Devuan. I've been running it on a VPS.
"A single swap file or partition may be up to 128 MB in size. [...] [I]f you need 256 MB of swap, you can create two 128-MB swap partitions." (M. Welsh & L. Kaufman, Running Linux, 2e, 1996, p. 49)
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Yep. It's Debian without the stupid, but it does take awhile to catch up. Works great as a drop-in replacement for KVM and Debian-style Apache services. If I ever decide to dump Apache, I'd probably set that up under an Alpine KVM and rebuild; I like it's low RAM use, but having Debian (Devuan) as my hypervisor just makes it a lot easier to care and feed for. I tried KVM services under Alpine, Void, and CentOS, but I hated it, despite most KVMs I deal with are CentOS based.
"It's a hard life- to be a stick insect." - Karl Pilkington
Never heard of Void, I guess I'm not paying too much attention ...
But how's the OpenBSD httpd?
Haven't tested Devuan, must be quite some work to keep developing debian stuff without all the systemd deps ...
Void is very NetBSD-like. It was created basically as a proof-of-concept of the authors' package management system (A former NetBSD developer). The installation is text-mode, and you need to remember to create /boot/efi for newer boxes as a vfat/fat32, but otherwise it's not all that different than Arch as a rolling distribution, but the init system is daemontools-inspired. /var/service and so forth- not init, and not systemd. If you've never used djb software, this will be incredibly bizarre and foreign to you.
It makes a decent desktop with lower spec hardware/RAM - I'm rocking it on an 8 year old laptop as a daily. This is with Cinnamon, Thunderbird, Gimp, Chrome (with 8 windows), and a handful of terminal windows.
I'm actually using thttpd on OpenBSD because it just serves semi-static and cgi-based stuff. 64MB total isn't enough for the box and httpd to be happy.
"It's a hard life- to be a stick insect." - Karl Pilkington
I tried setting up i3 on void. Guess it was too much of an uphill task to do.
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Pick a prebuilt distro for your window manager; getting all of the services started manually is a daunting task.
"It's a hard life- to be a stick insect." - Karl Pilkington
NixOS. I love the declarative configuration. I recently switched servers and all I had to do was copy the one configuration file, run
nixos-rebuild switchand I was done. It's not foolproof, but man, it has cut down my administrative work so much, it's not even funny.It's pronounced hacker.
Yet I chose i3, which is not prebuilt, lol
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It helps to have one already working; then just add the option to lightdm/sddm/whatever login servie you're using. After working, then remove gnome/kde/cinnamon/etc..
"It's a hard life- to be a stick insect." - Karl Pilkington
ah! didn't know to trick!
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I did not take a look at Devuan since it came out. Is it a mature alternative in the meantime?
Amitz, a very stable genius (it's true!) and Grand Rectumfier of the official LESLOS® (LES League of Shitposters).
Certified braindead since 1974 and still perfectly happy.
Neither have I, but so far I've been able to avoid any system debilitating malware by carefully curating my Debian installs. So far only with Promox based setups have I had to sell my soul to the devil and that too because I've not (yet) had the time to invest in converting one package to play nice. Eventually...
Yeah. Ascii (latest for Devuan) is basically on-par with Deb 9. There is no specific Deb 10 compatible build that is complete, yet. Keep in mind it took like 6 months from 9's release before we saw any real work on ASCII. As long as you can handle patches but don't need bleeding edge, it works perfectly fine.
"It's a hard life- to be a stick insect." - Karl Pilkington
Devuan feels a bit like "old-time Debian", and I mean this in a positive sense. As @WSS says, Devuan ASCII ~ Debian 9, definitely stable.
"A single swap file or partition may be up to 128 MB in size. [...] [I]f you need 256 MB of swap, you can create two 128-MB swap partitions." (M. Welsh & L. Kaufman, Running Linux, 2e, 1996, p. 49)