VDS hosts (Actual VDS not VPS with freindly FUP) ?? or stupidly cheap dedi's ?? Suggestions? Offers?

AnthonySmith

I want to add a few test locations to TierHive at some point, possibly as a free/trial tier. I will need to make them public to see real word data, I don't want to mess with dedis for this, and I also dont want to piss off good fellow VPS hosts with heavy CPU Use (we hate that)

But actually finding a VDS is not so simple, I have never heard of half the ones I find and the ones I do are so expensive I might as well get a dedi.

Looking for something with minimum specs (higher is better), like:

• 2+ cores (need to be able to actually run at 100% for extended periods)
• 8GB Ram (not contested or very low contention)
• 100GB NVMe (must be pre-allocated, can be iops capped)
• Even 100 Mbps is fine
• 1 IPv4
• IPv6 not required.
• basically, if I use it to 100% 24x7 i dont want to hear from you (not that this is the plan)

No specific price in mind, or if I am missing somewhere that has ultra cheap dedi's (apart from online.net/kimsufi/ovh/hetzner/webtropia/worldstream), I am all ears

Ympker

Wait, so AnthonySmith is back in the hosting biz? Somehow I missed this, but welcome back anyway! Glws
I love the super cheap NAT vps approach with hourly billing
Have you thought about a (bigger) investment in a lifetime ZAP Hosting Dedicated Server? Could be worth a thought

AnthonySmith

@Ympker said:
Wait, so AnthonySmith is back in the hosting biz? Somehow I missed this, but welcome back anyway! Glws
I love the super cheap NAT vps approach with hourly billing
Have you thought about a (bigger) investment in a lifetime ZAP Hosting Dedicated Server? Could be worth a thought

haha you only just now realised its me? https://lowendspirit.com/discussion/10288/tierhive-from-the-creators-of-les-nat-done-different-free-to-try/p1

I thought I must have annoyed you or something, I sent you a message ages ago and on steam on got no reply haha.

MikeA

@backtogeek said: But actually finding a VDS is not so simple, I have never heard of half the ones I find and the ones I do are so expensive I might as well get a dedi.

I still think VDS is just marketing bullshit. It's inherently a shared environment, and honestly no company selling VDS is going through the hassle of pinning CPU cores/threads, restricting/slicing storage resources, unless it's a high cost VDS that nobody wants (as you said.) Budget VDS aren't worth the hassle compared to standard VPS that work fine most of the time.

Chievo

Vultr in mind ? Also like said in discord . Advin or SGraf could have some interesting options as well

AnthonySmith

@MikeA said:

@backtogeek said: But actually finding a VDS is not so simple, I have never heard of half the ones I find and the ones I do are so expensive I might as well get a dedi.

I still think VDS is just marketing bullshit. It's inherently a shared environment, and honestly no company selling VDS is going through the hassle of pinning CPU cores/threads, restricting/slicing storage resources, unless it's a high cost VDS that nobody wants (as you said.) Budget VDS aren't worth the hassle compared to standard VPS that work fine most of the time.

Yeah, it kind of, I agree, but it works both ways, you can't market it as a VDS then get annoyed at me if I smash all the cores for 4 hours. you pay extra not to deal with a FUP. and that has advantages, if you have any offers I am all ears i know you have been around and relaiable for a long ass time so I would trust you to at least say... dude... i throttled you instead of "FUCK OFF I dont want you as a customer"

beagle

Netcup do VDS (aka root-servers) in US, Germany, Austria and Singapore and they are a solid provider.
Not sure if it's on your price range.
https://www.netcup.com/en/server/root-server

Ympker

@backtogeek said:

@Ympker said:
Wait, so AnthonySmith is back in the hosting biz? Somehow I missed this, but welcome back anyway! Glws
I love the super cheap NAT vps approach with hourly billing
Have you thought about a (bigger) investment in a lifetime ZAP Hosting Dedicated Server? Could be worth a thought

haha you only just now realised its me? https://lowendspirit.com/discussion/10288/tierhive-from-the-creators-of-les-nat-done-different-free-to-try/p1

I have to admit, ever since you got the new username, the name AnthonySmith doesn't come to mind that automatically anymore (blame me getting towards 30 years old, I guess). I knew you were Anth somewhere in my head though. I was reminded of that a couple of days ago, when I read the ORL thread where you explained your new username. That said, I completely missed the launch of your new Hosting service lol. Life's been busy, I'm gonna take my final exams in March.

I thought I must have annoyed you or something, I sent you a message ages ago and on steam on got no reply haha.

No man, all good. Sorry about that. I probably just opened the message, then did smth else, and forgot to reply. I still love you Feel free to msg again

Nyr

@beagle said:
Netcup do VDS (aka root-servers) in US, Germany, Austria and Singapore and they are a solid provider.
Not sure if it's on your price range.
https://www.netcup.com/en/server/root-server

Netcup is unsuitable to host third party content as they are very strict with abuse.

AnthonySmith

@Nyr said:

@beagle said:
Netcup do VDS (aka root-servers) in US, Germany, Austria and Singapore and they are a solid provider.
Not sure if it's on your price range.
https://www.netcup.com/en/server/root-server

Netcup is unsuitable to host third party content as they are very strict with abuse.

yeah i just dont really "feel" netcup tbh either. haha

@Ympker said: No man, all good. Sorry about that. I probably just opened the message, then did smth else, and forgot to reply. I still love you Feel free to msg again

Right, I will, in April, study is more important than age of empires II !

AnthonySmith

@Ympker said: the name AnthonySmith doesn't come to mind

Yeah i was thinking about requesting a change back, but i kind of like this and I finally got the backtogeek domain back! expired, missed it, got jacked for seo.

DataRecovery

@backtogeek said: But actually finding a VDS is not so simple

Isn't that what they usually call "pinned cores"?

I.e. no other process (even the OS and hypervisor, IIRC) can utilize those. You also get the same cores each time the server restarts.

Advin

I could offer you the following plan that is "semi-dedicated"

KVM Standard M
AMD EPYC Milan (2 vCPU)
16GB DDR4 ECC Memory
128GB NVMe SSD Storage
32TB Bandwidth (10 Gbps)
Located in Kansas City, MO
$8/month

If you are interested, just PM me and I can provide you with an order link.

The reason why I say "semi-dedicated" is because you can use the CPU 24x7 without issue. However, your VM will be on a hypervisor with shared CPU servers, and there is still a small % chance of CPU steal under peak loads if our monitoring system does not kick in quick enough to keep the other VMs in check.

AnthonySmith

@DataRecovery said:

@backtogeek said: But actually finding a VDS is not so simple

Isn't that what they usually call "pinned cores"?

I.e. no other process (even the OS and hypervisor, IIRC) can utilize those. You also get the same cores each time the server restarts.

Yeah but you can also pin multiple virtual servers to the same cores

AnthonySmith

@Advin said:
I could offer you the following plan that is "semi-dedicated"

KVM Standard M
AMD EPYC Milan (2 vCPU)
16GB DDR4 ECC Memory
128GB NVMe SSD Storage
32TB Bandwidth (10 Gbps)
Located in Kansas City, MO
$8/month

If you are interested, just PM me and I can provide you with an order link.

The reason why I say "semi-dedicated" is because you can use the CPU 24x7 without issue. However, your VM will be on a hypervisor with shared CPU servers, and there is still a small % chance of CPU steal under peak loads if our monitoring system does not kick in quick enough to keep the other VMs in check.

I really appreciate that but I would feel rude only paying $8 for that.

yoursunny

@backtogeek said:

@Advin said:
I could offer you the following plan that is "semi-dedicated"

KVM Standard M
AMD EPYC Milan (2 vCPU)
16GB DDR4 ECC Memory
128GB NVMe SSD Storage
32TB Bandwidth (10 Gbps)
Located in Kansas City, MO
$8/month

If you are interested, just PM me and I can provide you with an order link.

The reason why I say "semi-dedicated" is because you can use the CPU 24x7 without issue. However, your VM will be on a hypervisor with shared CPU servers, and there is still a small % chance of CPU steal under peak loads if our monitoring system does not kick in quick enough to keep the other VMs in check.

I really appreciate that but I would feel rude only paying $8 for that.

It comes with a chess set.

sh97

Checkout @bingobangobongo HostBilby, they have VDS plans where you are allocated the cores.

You can also checkout layer7.net , greencloud , hostbrr
They have some value for money VDS plans, but those are not dedicated cores, but you can use the vCPUs 100%

AnthonySmith

@yoursunny said:

@backtogeek said:

@Advin said:
I could offer you the following plan that is "semi-dedicated"

KVM Standard M
AMD EPYC Milan (2 vCPU)
16GB DDR4 ECC Memory
128GB NVMe SSD Storage
32TB Bandwidth (10 Gbps)
Located in Kansas City, MO
$8/month

If you are interested, just PM me and I can provide you with an order link.

The reason why I say "semi-dedicated" is because you can use the CPU 24x7 without issue. However, your VM will be on a hypervisor with shared CPU servers, and there is still a small % chance of CPU steal under peak loads if our monitoring system does not kick in quick enough to keep the other VMs in check.

I really appreciate that but I would feel rude only paying $8 for that.

It comes with a chess set.

I like chess

AnthonySmith

@sh97 said:
Checkout @bingobangobongo HostBilby, they have VDS plans where you are allocated the cores.

You can also checkout layer7.net , greencloud , hostbrr
They have some value for money VDS plans, but those are not dedicated cores, but you can use the vCPUs 100%

Thanks for the tips, I will check.

terrorgen

Dunno if @crunchbits still does VDS

fluttershy

colocrossing (I know, I know) does IPv6 now and has some pretty good deals on e3s (I have a bunch for under $10/m)

AnthonySmith

@fluttershy said:
colocrossing (I know, I know) does IPv6 now and has some pretty good deals on e3s (I have a bunch for under $10/m)

This hurts my soul... but also, got a link? i can only see the $35 ones

sh97

@backtogeek said:

@fluttershy said:
colocrossing (I know, I know) does IPv6 now and has some pretty good deals on e3s (I have a bunch for under $10/m)

This hurts my soul... but also, got a link? i can only see the $35 ones

Here's one
https://portal.colocrossing.com/register/order/service/689

Annually 120/y

skorous

@backtogeek said:

@fluttershy said:
colocrossing (I know, I know) does IPv6 now and has some pretty good deals on e3s (I have a bunch for under $10/m)

This hurts my soul... but also, got a link? i can only see the $35 ones

On OGF check out their Valentine's Day offer.

WSS

@skorous said:

@backtogeek said:

@fluttershy said:
colocrossing (I know, I know) does IPv6 now and has some pretty good deals on e3s (I have a bunch for under $10/m)

This hurts my soul... but also, got a link? i can only see the $35 ones

On OGF check out their Valentine's Day offer.

You don't need to wait until Valentine's Day to get screwed by biloh.

AnthonySmith

I thought about it... I just can't do it.

Chievo

@backtogeek said:
I thought about it... I just can't do it.

Better

AuroraZero

@backtogeek said:
I thought about it... I just can't do it.

I am glad you came to your senses before you did something you would regret. Now stop calling your ex and you will be fine.

AnthonySmith

@AuroraZero said:

@backtogeek said:
I thought about it... I just can't do it.

I am glad you came to your senses before you did something you would regret. Now stop calling your ex and you will be fine.

I take too many pills now, if I have to make a long term decision, I have to give it 24 hours haha.

AuroraZero

@backtogeek said:

@AuroraZero said:

@backtogeek said:
I thought about it... I just can't do it.

I am glad you came to your senses before you did something you would regret. Now stop calling your ex and you will be fine.

I take too many pills now, if I have to make a long term decision, I have to give it 24 hours haha.

Same usually takes a day or so to clear the cobwebs.

somik

@AuroraZero said:

@backtogeek said:
I take too many pills now, if I have to make a long term decision, I have to give it 24 hours haha.

Same usually takes a day or so to clear the cobwebs.

Agreed. Giving extra time for decision making is always a good idea. I take a week or more before buying things over $50 online. Usually after a week, the mindset change helps to verify if i "need" it or just "want" it.

jaden

You may already be aware, but Nocix has dedis for $15/month that meet most of your specs. A regular SSD instead of NVMe and the CPUs are ancient, but you can burn them up 24/7 at 100%.

AnthonySmith

@jaden said:
You may already be aware, but Nocix has dedis for $15/month that meet most of your specs. A regular SSD instead of NVMe and the CPUs are ancient, but you can burn them up 24/7 at 100%.

Yeah someone sent me a PM and reminded me of NocIX I can't believe that I forgot about them, I wonder who else I can't remember

WSS

@backtogeek said:

@jaden said:
You may already be aware, but Nocix has dedis for $15/month that meet most of your specs. A regular SSD instead of NVMe and the CPUs are ancient, but you can burn them up 24/7 at 100%.

Yeah someone sent me a PM and reminded me of NocIX I can't believe that I forgot about them, I wonder who else I can't remember

Their other moniker is wholesale internet. Keep in mind that unless you get a custom build, there is absolutely no ipmi or hands-on. You can request a spider if you get a custom build.

AnthonySmith

@WSS said:

@backtogeek said:

@jaden said:
You may already be aware, but Nocix has dedis for $15/month that meet most of your specs. A regular SSD instead of NVMe and the CPUs are ancient, but you can burn them up 24/7 at 100%.

Yeah someone sent me a PM and reminded me of NocIX I can't believe that I forgot about them, I wonder who else I can't remember

Their other moniker is wholesale internet. Keep in mind that unless you get a custom build, there is absolutely no ipmi or hands-on. You can request a spider if you get a custom build.

I just had a look, thanks for the reminder, I had forgotten about WSI.

To be honest, i think they have reached a minimum price floor on power anyway, they do have cheap stuff that you cant get anywhere else because its so old, but when you compare anything slightly bigger, they actually start to get more expensive, idk, maybe they need an overhaul, but paying $70 p/month just for a ddr3 64GB Ram upgrade when you plan to have the server for 5 years is nonsense and different disks that are already extra should have pretty uniform pricing, this is all over the shop.

So if you for some reason want a core2duo... they are great otherwise they have actually become pretty uncompetitive, charging 10 years ago process for now 20 years ago hardware.

Will I take a $9 dedi? damn right I will, but for myself, because I have issues, not for TierHive though

Chievo

Rent to Own? There is something cool in that some provider is offering it as a option.

AuroraZero

@somik said:

@AuroraZero said:

@backtogeek said:
I take too many pills now, if I have to make a long term decision, I have to give it 24 hours haha.

Same usually takes a day or so to clear the cobwebs.

Agreed. Giving extra time for decision making is always a good idea. I take a week or more before buying things over $50 online. Usually after a week, the mindset change helps to verify if i "need" it or just "want" it.

I usually dont need it but buy anyways. Probably explains my inventory obsession.

AnthonySmith

@Chievo said:
Rent to Own? There is something cool in that some provider is offering it as a option.

Yeah that is pretty cool, often you then get hit with a Colo contract that is just the same price as the server though or a collection only, you arrange and you pay for remote hands and packaging bill for $500 on a server with $150

AnthonySmith

Ioflood used to offer some great buy down options.

Like if you wanted 18x 10TB disks they would give you the option to essentially pay for the disks over a year or so and then they took the price of the disks off the monthly price, in year 2+ which worked out great.

AuroraZero

Dacentec still does rent to own. I have had a server there for like forever and two years. Not many issues and the staff os pretty prompt.

Chievo

@backtogeek said:

@Chievo said:
Rent to Own? There is something cool in that some provider is offering it as a option.

Yeah that is pretty cool, often you then get hit with a Colo contract that is just the same price as the server though or a collection only, you arrange and you pay for remote hands and packaging bill for $500 on a server with $150

Well it is not an ideal solution but well it is an option like everything

WSS

@AuroraZero said:
Dacentec still does rent to own. I have had a server there for like forever and two years. Not many issues and the staff os pretty prompt.

This is the only provider I had who reimaged a machine of mine and gave it to someone else in error. Didn't pull the disks, just flattened it and handed it over. Only figured out what was going on when someone else was on my IPMI.

AuroraZero

@WSS said:

@AuroraZero said:
Dacentec still does rent to own. I have had a server there for like forever and two years. Not many issues and the staff os pretty prompt.

This is the only provider I had who reimaged a machine of mine and gave it to someone else in error. Didn't pull the disks, just flattened it and handed it over. Only figured out what was going on when someone else was on my IPMI.

WTF man that is insane!! I have never had that issue with anyone. Someone smoking to much crack that day or what?

WSS

@AuroraZero said:

@WSS said:

@AuroraZero said:
Dacentec still does rent to own. I have had a server there for like forever and two years. Not many issues and the staff os pretty prompt.

This is the only provider I had who reimaged a machine of mine and gave it to someone else in error. Didn't pull the disks, just flattened it and handed it over. Only figured out what was going on when someone else was on my IPMI.

WTF man that is insane!! I have never had that issue with anyone. Someone smoking to much crack that day or what?

It happened probably 8 years ago. They were polite about it, but I noped out. Thankfully I still had old VPS images to rebuild from, but that's why I've had a shit WSI box for the last several years. It just sits there until someone needs to borrow my ethernet port.

AnthonySmith

@AuroraZero said:
Dacentec still does rent to own. I have had a server there for like forever and two years. Not many issues and the staff os pretty prompt.

Bloody hell another one I forgot about.

imok

@WSS said:

@AuroraZero said:
Dacentec still does rent to own. I have had a server there for like forever and two years. Not many issues and the staff os pretty prompt.

This is the only provider I had who reimaged a machine of mine and gave it to someone else in error. Didn't pull the disks, just flattened it and handed it over. Only figured out what was going on when someone else was on my IPMI.

Oops

Advin

@AuroraZero said:

@WSS said:

@AuroraZero said:
Dacentec still does rent to own. I have had a server there for like forever and two years. Not many issues and the staff os pretty prompt.

This is the only provider I had who reimaged a machine of mine and gave it to someone else in error. Didn't pull the disks, just flattened it and handed it over. Only figured out what was going on when someone else was on my IPMI.

WTF man that is insane!! I have never had that issue with anyone. Someone smoking to much crack that day or what?

Hetzner gave us a KVM to a machine that was not ours one time, so we essentially had full access to some random machine. Another time, Latitude.sh misinterpreted a support ticket and accidentally reinstalled one of our servers when we were trying to buy a new one.

Happens to big companies too. That's why, take backups regardless of the provider and whether you use RAID or not.

wankel

@backtogeek said: ...because I have issues...

lowendspirit lowendsherapist

AnthonySmith

@wankel said: lowendsherapist

Is my sceptical hippo side glance justified? Was that a typo, or am I warped?

WSS

@wankel said:
lowendspirit lowendsherapist

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Low end she rapist? MODS!? MODS!?!

AuroraZero

@backtogeek said:

@wankel said: lowendsherapist

Is my sceptical hippo side glance justified? Was that a typo, or am I warped?

I can smell the milk mustache through the scrren on this convo