Ubuntu 20.04 LTS (codename: Focal Fossa) appears today
Since Ubuntu releases an LTS version only every two years, I thought that this event deserves its own thread: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS (codename: Focal Fossa) will be released into the wild today. 
As usual, both the Server version and the canonical Desktop version (with GNOME) will receive five years of support, whereas the other Desktop derivatives (Kubuntu, Ubuntu MATE, etc.) will receive three years of support. The initial Linux kernel version is 5.4.0, but later minor releases will probably come with an updated kernel as an option.
The install media for 20.04 aren't yet officially visible/available, but they should become visible/available over the next several hours.
What can I say: a small joy in the time of coronavirus and lockdowns.
"A single swap file or partition may be up to 128 MB in size. [...] [I]f you need 256 MB of swap, you can create two 128-MB swap partitions." (M. Welsh & L. Kaufman, Running Linux, 2e, 1996, p. 49)
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Looking forward to Ubuntu DDE. Its ubuntu 20.04 with deepin environment, sounds cool for me.
I didn't know about Ubuntu DDE, but I see that this will be its first official release ( https://ubuntudde.com/ )
"A single swap file or partition may be up to 128 MB in size. [...] [I]f you need 256 MB of swap, you can create two 128-MB swap partitions." (M. Welsh & L. Kaufman, Running Linux, 2e, 1996, p. 49)
Yes yes.. but im waiting for the stable release. ? and maybe deepin 20 integration (v20 of deepin is in beta stage too).
Ubuntu releases always make me unreasonably happy even though realistically I'm not going to use any of the new features.
I will upgrade desktop after 12-15 mos
XFCE or LXQT. Minimal install. Have spent way too many hours installing full blown versions and then uninstalling stuff I know would not use.
Had tried one of the early betas and don’t even remember getting excited . I salute the folks and Distrowatch and other sites who do this day after day, distro after distro
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It's usually recommended to upgrade after the .1 minor version is released, which will probably be in August
"A single swap file or partition may be up to 128 MB in size. [...] [I]f you need 256 MB of swap, you can create two 128-MB swap partitions." (M. Welsh & L. Kaufman, Running Linux, 2e, 1996, p. 49)
Admittedly, it's kind of hard to get excited about XFCE or LXQT per se
Instead, the excitement comes from an LTS release, and more generally, from the feeling that despite all of the uncertainty in our daily lives, especially at this time, there's some familiarity and continuity in an LTS release, as though we could all count on being alive for another five years
(Not expressed too dramatically, I hope
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"A single swap file or partition may be up to 128 MB in size. [...] [I]f you need 256 MB of swap, you can create two 128-MB swap partitions." (M. Welsh & L. Kaufman, Running Linux, 2e, 1996, p. 49)
aand the ISOs are available to download --> http://releases.ubuntu.com/20.04/
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Meh. If you like how Debian works, use Debian. If you need training wheels, mint is actually more polished.
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Don't be a party pooper!
"A single swap file or partition may be up to 128 MB in size. [...] [I]f you need 256 MB of swap, you can create two 128-MB swap partitions." (M. Welsh & L. Kaufman, Running Linux, 2e, 1996, p. 49)
True, but the web page still hasn't been updated
DistroWatch have just announced Lubuntu 20.04
"A single swap file or partition may be up to 128 MB in size. [...] [I]f you need 256 MB of swap, you can create two 128-MB swap partitions." (M. Welsh & L. Kaufman, Running Linux, 2e, 1996, p. 49)
I have nothing against the extra polish of Mint (and the extra polish is real, if you like it), but beyond Cinnamon (which could be viewed as "GNOME 3 as a traditional desktop"), one could argue that Ubuntu brings more to Debian than Mint brings to Ubuntu
"A single swap file or partition may be up to 128 MB in size. [...] [I]f you need 256 MB of swap, you can create two 128-MB swap partitions." (M. Welsh & L. Kaufman, Running Linux, 2e, 1996, p. 49)
Congratulations on your below observation Now I am looking to leave the Lubuntu download running, as I step out to walk my dog.
P.s: has anyone tried the distros by Exton Linux? Seems like a one man show, but the guy keeps churning out custom distros every week.
http://www.exton.se/
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I was just going to take a general potshot, but since you want to continue-
Yeah. Often fairly foolish people who try to install wrong packages because they think they're the same thing, and pointless support tickets about how things don't work exactly the same, and we could go on from there. Everyone's welcome to use whatever they want, but I find a majority of the clueless users choose Ubuntu.
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@WSS, I'm in a good mood at the moment, please don't try to ruin it!
I would concede that Ubuntu attracts a high number of clueless users, which is no doubt due to its status in the general public as the most familiar "easy-to-use" Linux distribution. This status is at once both a curse and a virtue. At the same time, there are also plenty of knowledgeable users who choose Ubuntu for its familiarity and "ease of use". It really cuts both ways.
"A single swap file or partition may be up to 128 MB in size. [...] [I]f you need 256 MB of swap, you can create two 128-MB swap partitions." (M. Welsh & L. Kaufman, Running Linux, 2e, 1996, p. 49)
Ubuntu's web page has now been updated to reflect Ubuntu 20.04 LTS: https://ubuntu.com/
"A single swap file or partition may be up to 128 MB in size. [...] [I]f you need 256 MB of swap, you can create two 128-MB swap partitions." (M. Welsh & L. Kaufman, Running Linux, 2e, 1996, p. 49)
And now I just need to easily configure the network with YAML using Netplan!
OpenVPN installer | WireGuard installer
First boot in,
Pretty good RAM usage,
Around 2.1 GB (minimal install, only SSH was selected, all updates installed (2 packages so far), no other extra packages installed)
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Somehow this doesn't surprise me -- it was bound to happen sooner than later
Also, this is the first LTS version without i386 (unfortunately, but understandably)
"A single swap file or partition may be up to 128 MB in size. [...] [I]f you need 256 MB of swap, you can create two 128-MB swap partitions." (M. Welsh & L. Kaufman, Running Linux, 2e, 1996, p. 49)
Huh, not sure what deepin is or if I should check it out. I have stuck with XFCE when not running i3 ... (Did use LXDE for a while, but think it moved to QT.)
On another note, many Norwegians would find the DDE name either funny or annoying. (It's a popular Norwegian redneck rock band.)
Void and OpenBSD are still available.
Neither one takes a fuckton of RAM.
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gollum voice Lets makes our proxmox template ver 0.0.1
Thank you for your input, Mr. Scrooge
"A single swap file or partition may be up to 128 MB in size. [...] [I]f you need 256 MB of swap, you can create two 128-MB swap partitions." (M. Welsh & L. Kaufman, Running Linux, 2e, 1996, p. 49)
Guess I better get to templating then.
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Super silly Q: how does one make templates?
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In simple terms, you install it, take out any extra crap, shut it down, run some prep tools on it from libvirt, pack the disk image, mount it offline, insert some first boot scripts to update it and create the swap and thats it.
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Slightly interesting process to template out this one, had to remove cloud-init as it just wouldn't reset the seed (thus re-creating the same instance-id again and again) irrespective of cloud-init clean used when building the template. Probably need to read more into cloud-init, seems very useful.
Apart from that, pretty decent template size, 3GB (could possibly get it down to ~2.5G if I re-wrote how I handle the swap partition).
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Yep. I guess I need to build one of those, myself. I am a bit shocked at how people refuse to let go of CentOS 6; I finally got them to stop requesting Debian 7.
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It seems like there is quite a big fuss about snap in 20.04:
HN: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS’ snap obsession has snapped me off of it
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23052108
https://jatan.blog/2020/05/02/ubuntu-snap-obsession-has-snapped-me-off-of-it/
I wonder whether the snap obsession affects all of the Ubuntu derivatives in the same way. Those discussions seem to be focused on the standard Ubuntu Desktop edition.
In any case, snap is already present in 18.04 LTS, but at least with Ubuntu MATE, I've had no problems in completely ignoring snap.
My sense is that the blog guy is overreacting just a bit. Suppose that Ubuntu decide to offer certain (not all) applications (e.g., Chromium) only in snap form. (Is this really the case?) Okay, not great, I agree, but ultimately, if Ubuntu want to place an emphasis on snap technology, then that's their choice. If one really doesn't like this, there are other options.
"A single swap file or partition may be up to 128 MB in size. [...] [I]f you need 256 MB of swap, you can create two 128-MB swap partitions." (M. Welsh & L. Kaufman, Running Linux, 2e, 1996, p. 49)
I've just checked, and since Ubuntu 19.10, chromium-browser is linked to chromium snap:
https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=all§ion=all&arch=any&keywords=chromium-browser&searchon=names
(So this didn't start with Ubuntu 20.04 LTS.)
"A single swap file or partition may be up to 128 MB in size. [...] [I]f you need 256 MB of swap, you can create two 128-MB swap partitions." (M. Welsh & L. Kaufman, Running Linux, 2e, 1996, p. 49)
I've had quite a few issues running different snaps in a Ubuntu LXC (on a Debian host). This could be(come) interesting ...
Would maybe have to move that one to KVM (and use some PCI/USB passthrough).
Just when I thought Ill give 20.04 a try I saw the same link about snap obsession. No thanks, Ill skip. I cant see one good reason as why should I be forced to use snap instead of regular .deb - and thats the issue already as mentioned elsewhere that chromium on ubuntu software store is packaged as snap only already. Oh, and even on the fastest SSD snap is a joke with its boot times.
Oh well, Suse it is.
I'm the 85%. Also Elon likes memes hence he's an idiot.
Snap (the technology) was first introduced in 16.04, so it's not so much that snap is new but rather that certain applications (e.g., Chromium) are now packaged only as snap applications.
But I find that the bigger worry is that only the snap client is open source -- the snap server (snapd) is proprietary.
"A single swap file or partition may be up to 128 MB in size. [...] [I]f you need 256 MB of swap, you can create two 128-MB swap partitions." (M. Welsh & L. Kaufman, Running Linux, 2e, 1996, p. 49)
Yes I know snap itself is nothing new. Just the obsession on 20 LTS is too much for me. And quite frankly their "excuses" on their forum for this behavior is nothing less than dumb. "We want users to stay safe with automatic updates" - eh? So apt update/upgrade wasnt safe enough or...?
I'm the 85%. Also Elon likes memes hence he's an idiot.
For what it's worth, it looks like this churd might natively support this damn XPS13. It came with 18.04 as a preinstall-possibility.
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Pop!_OS 20.04 working quite well on the ThinkPad
I don't really 'get' Ubuntu as a server OS though, it's like 2x the footprint of a base Debian install. I guess the 5 yr LTS is nice, but Debian seems to be going in that direction anyways with their LTS team (my Jessie boxes are still getting security updates). ?♂️
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There is no docker for this, yet.
I don't really 'get' Ubuntu as a server OS though, it's like 2x the footprint of a base Debian install. I guess the 5 yr LTS is nice, but Debian seems to be going in that direction anyways with their LTS team (my Jessie boxes are still getting security updates). ?♂️
The 20.04 LTS is popular as a server distro precisely because it has a 5 year LTS, has the option of support contracts, and has a lot of value-added cloud/server management services by Canonical (i.e. Landscape). There's no reason to use Debian in a production environment if it's for anything long-term.
Not to mention that the whole snap controversy affects the Server edition less because one is less likely to want to run (e.g.) Chromium on a server.
"A single swap file or partition may be up to 128 MB in size. [...] [I]f you need 256 MB of swap, you can create two 128-MB swap partitions." (M. Welsh & L. Kaufman, Running Linux, 2e, 1996, p. 49)
The reason I prefer Debian in a server environment is precisely because it lacks the extras. I'm sure I could rip a lot of stuff out of Ubuntu to streamline it, but that's more work than starting off with something lighter. Bare minimum I've gotta rip netplan out, lol.
Also the Debian cycles are 5-ish years now anyways with their LTS teams. https://wiki.debian.org/LTS Still getting security updates until next month on a couple boxes I have still running Jessie (think all the vz6 providers I use have finally moved to vz7 or kvm, so those are due for a reinstall).
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So, this snap bullshit presumably doesn't affect server daemon packages like nginx, pgsql?
It would make no sense to invest in expensive ssd, if snap overhead ate up the cpu /io time.
I won't be upgrading desktop until 12mos down the line anyway. Or even wait 2yrs.
No, it's not yet that bad
You can see which snap installations are installed on your system with
snap list, andsnap listshows the prominent snap applications available.I think that with a few exceptions (Chromium being the most notable), it's still possible to ignore snap applications altogether.
"A single swap file or partition may be up to 128 MB in size. [...] [I]f you need 256 MB of swap, you can create two 128-MB swap partitions." (M. Welsh & L. Kaufman, Running Linux, 2e, 1996, p. 49)
Yes. I definitely do not want applications I use 24/7 like FF/Chromium to be be in a slow sandbox like that. (since I already paid for the SSDs)
FWIW, I do currently use Snaps on 18.04 to stay on top of syncthing and keepassXC stable releases. I can tolerate the extra 2-3s startup time for one-off utilities like that.
Sorry, this should be
snap find!"A single swap file or partition may be up to 128 MB in size. [...] [I]f you need 256 MB of swap, you can create two 128-MB swap partitions." (M. Welsh & L. Kaufman, Running Linux, 2e, 1996, p. 49)
So far, Firefox is spared
"A single swap file or partition may be up to 128 MB in size. [...] [I]f you need 256 MB of swap, you can create two 128-MB swap partitions." (M. Welsh & L. Kaufman, Running Linux, 2e, 1996, p. 49)