@skorous said: Devil's advocate, if a vendor deadpooled on OGF and a bunch of people lost money but he never advertised here would you let them keep their provider tag? But it only happened over on OGF ....
Not the same thing. As I said in the first part of my statement above, I suspended the provider tag when this came to my attention. Provider tags are removed, or never issued, to providers that the staff feels have a reasonable potential to be a danger to the community. Permanent removals or denials are generally decided by a majority vote of the staff, not just by any one person.
EDIT: It should be noted that there are other reasons, in addition to what I stated above, that a provider tag would not be issued or would be revoked but they don't apply to this situation.
So the provider tag portion wasn't as important as the fact that they never did anything wrong here. It was an attempt to show that some mistakes are big enough that they follow you. I don't really have an opinion so last I'll say on it.
My 2c (thinking out loud):
It boils down to where you draw the line. A bit of an ethical dilemma, on several points:
1)
Should member and provider status be "locked together?"
I think they shouldn't. Provider tag carries a higher potential to commit frauds and harm people (customers).
"Ordinary" users don't carry that much responsibility, generally speaking.
So, I would say that it's not the same, and would be "quicker" to remove a provider tag, than to outright ban a member.
Again, these are my thoughts on the topic - without insisting nor being 100% certain that it's the right way of doing things.
2)
Should stuff done elsewhere be carried over to LES?
This one is also quite tricky. And it is related to the point 1).
When it comes to provider tags, regardless of how I find sufficient reasons to suspect a fraud, I'd be against allowing a provider tag. Even if a member is "golden" on LES.
But, when it comes to banning members, I'm not so sure if things should "spill over."
Can a "toxic" "fraudulent" member behave well? In theory, yes. It's worth giving second chances and the benefit of a doubt.
So, I'm not 100% sure that the member should be outright banned. For any drastic measures (bans, tag removals and similar), I like to be 100% sure.
3)
Final thoughts
Strict policing and erring to the side of caution (in terms of "lightly" banning) is very easy IMO.
But it's not good - tyranny is just around the corner.
Of course, the other extreme of letting "everything fly," is also not good.
When it comes to administration and moderation, we try to keep a reasonable middle ground and make unanimous decisions after we've discussed all the points, pros and cons ( i.e. @Mason & @FrankZ need to read all my drivel before making any calls - and vice-versa).
I ain't reading all that - I will take a wild guess and say he still claims he did nothing wrong and he could act that way because Calin was dick to him in first place.
@Calin just a reminder that on top of "reinstalling" you should rotate/change keys/passwords etc. Not just copy-paste config :-D
Haven't bought a single service in VirMach Great Ryzen 2022 - 2023 Flash Sale.
He doesn't deserve to be banned here, he didn't do anything wrong here.
I'm also banned on LET but free to talk here as long as I play by local rules.
You got banned because you probably pissed off some mod or something. What Florin did is not even remotely close. It is like spitting in the face of whole community and everything it stands for just because ‘he got intimidated by a kid with broken english and his caveman operation’. Hence the outcry for ban.
He doesn't deserve to be banned here, he didn't do anything wrong here.
I'm also banned on LET but free to talk here as long as I play by local rules.
You got banned because you probably pissed off some mod or something. What Florin did is not even remotely close. It is like spitting in the face of whole community and everything it stands for just because ‘he got intimidated by a kid with broken english and his caveman operation’. Hence the outcry for ban.
my 0.69 cents
And when I think that I posted that to help the community... (obviously, not Calin).
@jmaxwell said: You got banned because you probably pissed off some mod or something.
Yeah... They hate me, to put it lightly. I messed with Biloh's pocket.
@jmaxwell said: What Florin did is not even remotely close. It is like spitting in the face of whole community and everything it stands for just because ‘he got intimidated by a kid with broken english and his caveman operation’. Hence the outcry for ban.
my 0.69 cents
I believe he shouldn't be banned here still. LES is separate from LET and it should remain this way.
Keep him here, even just for entertainment purposes. Whether he will be allowed to sell anything here is up for the staff, but I don't think he deserves a ban.
I obviously don't endorse anything he did or defend him, but ye, I think you should only be banned here if you do something retarded here.
He doesn't deserve to be banned here, he didn't do anything wrong here.
I'm also banned on LET but free to talk here as long as I play by local rules.
You got banned because you probably pissed off some mod or something. What Florin did is not even remotely close. It is like spitting in the face of whole community and everything it stands for just because ‘he got intimidated by a kid with broken english and his caveman operation’. Hence the outcry for ban.
my 0.69 cents
And when I think that I posted that to help the community... (obviously, not Calin).
I do, but second job is also something I won't leave.
When the dust has settled, you might be able to advertise on webhostingtalk.com because of their weird rules, but I think you have destroyed your reputation permanently on green forums.
I do, but second job is also something I won't leave.
When the dust has settled, you might be able to advertise on webhostingtalk.com because of their weird rules, but I think you have destroyed your reputation permanently on green forums.
Or doing it locally for romanian small business.
I believe in good luck. Harder that I work ,luckier i get.
I wrote you last night, there is no competition between the 2 of you. Your target clientele is not the same, never was actually.
Calin has DCMA i could not care more stamp. Actually, he is more like @cociu from this point of view, hence the top noch net performance he has ( no offense to anyone using services like this, just have to make my point of view ). If calin thinks that hosting anything will make him $, that is he's sole problem, not my, not yours, not anyone's.
Fact that he lied about having 3000 customers, he, yes, probably, we will know the truth on that when he moves all ip's to the ASN I gave him, but again, none of our problem, and well, he got 18 ~3 weeks ago, so I can understand the exaggeration/lie. I also understand the lack of competence at that age, but is not my business to point that out. Either I can help, or just get some popcorn and watch the show.
You 2 going on each-other does more damage to both of you than good, beside the popcorn drama, fueled by some for amusement and by the fact that you 2 are too young to handle a thing like this apparently.
You messed that tread big time from the start. To make my point more clear, if you would have contacted @calin to help him out ( he has no clue how to fix this) you would have actually washed away the 2 weeks downtime instantly in most eyes, not in the eyes of "the haters" as you call them, but in the eyes of those who value respect. You do not have to "love" your competitor ( if competitor is what you think he is ), but you have to respect him, beating him a a fair fight gains respect, rubbing him in the mud will gain only drama and usually not the outcome you wish.
It was a shitty business/tactic move. You do not open a second front while you are getting messed up at home ( the DDOS/ISP Fuckup ) for example.
I get the fact that you wanted to point out how messed up he's platform is, think that most of us do not know that already?
There are much better ways to earn a fan base than to expose a security breach publicly, with the breaches from Dec-2023 you just picked the worst moment possibly and the wrong thread to put that out.
Heck, if that was posted in the 'Providers" thread you might actually gotten away with it as you wanted, I will underline might here.
You are not a stupid kid, might have some expression mistakes and take most too personally, but not stupid.
People judge you by your actions, actions can be interpreted in 1000 ways, this one backfired on you. Take it as it is, berry it, learn from it and move on.
You managed to piss most that wanted to help you out, I wish to see how will you fix that.
My offer is still on the table regarding your net connection if you wish to try again, write me.
I wrote you last night, there is no competition between the 2 of you. Your target clientele is not the same, never was actually.
Calin has DCMA i could not care more stamp. Actually, he is more like @cociu from this point of view, hence the top noch net performance he has ( no offense to anyone using services like this, just have to make my point of view ). If calin thinks that hosting anything will make him $, that is he's sole problem, not my, not yours, not anyone's.
Fact that he lied about having 3000 customers, he, yes, probably, we will know the truth on that when he moves all ip's to the ASN I gave him, but again, none of our problem, and well, he got 18 ~3 weeks ago, so I can understand the exaggeration/lie. I also understand the lack of competence at that age, but is not my business to point that out. Either I can help, or just get some popcorn and watch the show.
You 2 going on each-other does more damage to both of you than good, beside the popcorn drama, fueled by some for amusement and by the fact that you 2 are too young to handle a thing like this apparently.
You messed that tread big time from the start. To make my point more clear, if you would have contacted @calin to help him out ( he has no clue how to fix this) you would have actually washed away the 2 weeks downtime instantly in most eyes, not in the eyes of "the haters" as you call them, but in the eyes of those who value respect. You do not have to "love" your competitor ( if competitor is what you think he is ), but you have to respect him, beating him a a fair fight gains respect, rubbing him in the mud will gain only drama and usually not the outcome you wish.
It was a shitty business/tactic move. You do not open a second front while you are getting messed up at home ( the DDOS/ISP Fuckup ) for example.
I get the fact that you wanted to point out how messed up he's platform is, think that most of us do not know that already?
There are much better ways to earn a fan base than to expose a security breach publicly, with the breaches from Dec-2023 you just picked the worst moment possibly and the wrong thread to put that out.
Heck, if that was posted in the 'Providers" thread you might actually gotten away with it as you wanted, I will underline might here.
You are not a stupid kid, might have some expression mistakes and take most too personally, but not stupid.
People judge you by your actions, actions can be interpreted in 1000 ways, this one backfired on you. Take it as it is, berry it, learn from it and move on.
You managed to piss most that wanted to help you out, I wish to see how will you fix that.
My offer is still on the table regarding your net connection if you wish to try again, write me.
Salut, HOST-C
Thanks a lot, DDoS is going to be fixed right today.
False assumption. We already have the proof he's an idiot.
EDIT:
Another proof that he's an idiot:
@Calin created a thread to warn users about his potential data breach.
TheIdiot is the author of the illegal database access attempt.
Instead of finally admitting that he's an idiot with a chicken egg instead of brain, he starts to brag about his DDoS protection in a thread where he's the author of an illegal/criminal activity. Something like: yeah, I tried to hack, wtf... by the way, here, you can see our DDoS and our mediocre iperf traffic.
Indirectly advertising his services in another provider's thread.
If that's not a clear demonstration of an idiot being an idiot, I don't really know what is.
I am starting to wonder why @host_c is still trying to help TheIdiot in any way after all the demonstration he's done on LET and here...
False assumption. We already have the proof he's an idiot.
EDIT:
Another proof that he's an idiot:
@Calin created a thread to warn users about his potential data breach.
TheIdiot is the author of the illegal database access attempt.
Instead of finally admitting that he's an idiot with a chicken egg instead of brain, he starts to brag about his DDoS protection in a thread where he's the author of an illegal/criminal activity. Something like: yeah, I tried to hack, wtf... by the way, here, you can see our DDoS and our mediocre iperf traffic.
Indirectly advertising his services in another provider's thread.
If that's not a clear demonstration of an idiot being an idiot, I don't really know what is.
I am starting to wonder why @host_c is still trying to help TheIdiot in any way after all the demonstration he's done on LET and here...
So you registered a user just to mock FlorinMarian. Don't drag this forum down to LET level.
As @Calin has send emails to clients regarding this and no customer data was exposed. The title of this thread has been changed. The thread is no longer regarding a customer data breach, but comments on the actions and responses of FlorinMarian.
False assumption. We already have the proof he's an idiot.
EDIT:
Another proof that he's an idiot:
@Calin created a thread to warn users about his potential data breach.
TheIdiot is the author of the illegal database access attempt.
Instead of finally admitting that he's an idiot with a chicken egg instead of brain, he starts to brag about his DDoS protection in a thread where he's the author of an illegal/criminal activity. Something like: yeah, I tried to hack, wtf... by the way, here, you can see our DDoS and our mediocre iperf traffic.
Indirectly advertising his services in another provider's thread.
If that's not a clear demonstration of an idiot being an idiot, I don't really know what is.
I am starting to wonder why @host_c is still trying to help TheIdiot in any way after all the demonstration he's done on LET and here...
So you registered a user just to mock Calin. Don't drag this forum down to LET level.
Ban both - problem solved. Both show a blatant disregard for people's privacy and respect of data entrusted to them. Instead of watching two morons butting heads with no idea why - remove them.
Absolutely toxic for the community, with all the risk of misuse of illegally obtained data from both sides it's immoral to even allow the chance in my opinion. I'm not for banning many people, in fact I encourage discussion 99% of the time but this is just getting stupid and dangerous and obviously isn't going to improve
False assumption. We already have the proof he's an idiot.
EDIT:
Another proof that he's an idiot:
@Calin created a thread to warn users about his potential data breach.
TheIdiot is the author of the illegal database access attempt.
Instead of finally admitting that he's an idiot with a chicken egg instead of brain, he starts to brag about his DDoS protection in a thread where he's the author of an illegal/criminal activity. Something like: yeah, I tried to hack, wtf... by the way, here, you can see our DDoS and our mediocre iperf traffic.
Indirectly advertising his services in another provider's thread.
If that's not a clear demonstration of an idiot being an idiot, I don't really know what is.
I am starting to wonder why @host_c is still trying to help TheIdiot in any way after all the demonstration he's done on LET and here...
So you registered a user just to mock Calin. Don't drag this forum down to LET level.
@chris said:
Ban both - problem solved. Both show a blatant disregard for people's privacy and respect of data entrusted to them. Instead of watching two morons butting heads with no idea why - remove them.
Absolutely toxic for the community, with all the risk of misuse of illegally obtained data from both sides it's immoral to even allow the chance in my opinion. I'm not for banning many people, in fact I encourage discussion 99% of the time but this is just getting stupid and dangerous and obviously isn't going to improve
False assumption. We already have the proof he's an idiot.
EDIT:
Another proof that he's an idiot:
@Calin created a thread to warn users about his potential data breach.
TheIdiot is the author of the illegal database access attempt.
Instead of finally admitting that he's an idiot with a chicken egg instead of brain, he starts to brag about his DDoS protection in a thread where he's the author of an illegal/criminal activity. Something like: yeah, I tried to hack, wtf... by the way, here, you can see our DDoS and our mediocre iperf traffic.
Indirectly advertising his services in another provider's thread.
If that's not a clear demonstration of an idiot being an idiot, I don't really know what is.
I am starting to wonder why @host_c is still trying to help TheIdiot in any way after all the demonstration he's done on LET and here...
So you registered a user just to mock Calin. Don't drag this forum down to LET level.
Different story.
Sure, I keep my statement that FlorinMarian is an idiot, or, if you want to put it more nicely: a monkey pressing buttons, hoping for the best, while throwing bananas at other monkeys hoping the zookeeper will pet him nicely.
Regarding my registration, I signed up mostly because I like forums in general. Having the opportunity to mock (what I consider to be) an idiot, is just an added bonus.
Get off your high horse, you want to ban everyone. You also wanted me banned for whatever reason.
Only time I've seen you post here was whining about people and calling for bans.
While we are on topic of bans, why was @Andreix banned? He also runs a hosting company and I haven't seen him doing anything rule breaking here.
@treesmokah said: While we are on topic of bans, why was @Andreix banned? He also runs a hosting company and I haven't seen him doing anything rule breaking here.
@treesmokah said: While we are on topic of bans, why was @Andreix banned? He also runs a hosting company and I haven't seen him doing anything rule breaking here.
At a glance I'd expect it's "Don't be a dick."
Nothing he said was a lie. Also calling someone an Idiot is a pretty "reasonable" insult in my book.
@treesmokah said: While we are on topic of bans, why was @Andreix banned? He also runs a hosting company and I haven't seen him doing anything rule breaking here.
At a glance I'd expect it's "Don't be a dick."
Nothing he said was a lie. Also calling someone an Idiot is a pretty "reasonable" insult in my book.
To be fair, not sure I'd use you as my litmus test.
@chris said:
Ban both - problem solved. Both show a blatant disregard for people's privacy and respect of data entrusted to them. Instead of watching two morons butting heads with no idea why - remove them.
Absolutely toxic for the community, with all the risk of misuse of illegally obtained data from both sides it's immoral to even allow the chance in my opinion. I'm not for banning many people, in fact I encourage discussion 99% of the time but this is just getting stupid and dangerous and obviously isn't going to improve
this.
I don't think anybody really wants me to have the option to ban members because I think they are a "idiot/moron/immoral/stupid/incompetent/etc" do they ?
Also in the case of a provider (without a tag) is it not better to let them have a voice here and dig their own grave ?
Does it not give some buying hesitation to future members who are unfamiliar with these providers , when they see this stuff, as opposed to not finding the information ?
Obviously what FlorinMarian did by posting what he did on LET was wrong. I don't think that anyone is disputing or supporting that type of behavior.
@FrankZ said:
Obviously what FlorinMarian did by posting what he did on LET was wrong. I don't think that anyone is disputing or supporting that type of behavior.
True. But the hate drama is strong with this one. Let him dig his (grave) "involucration".
@chris said:
Ban both - problem solved. Both show a blatant disregard for people's privacy and respect of data entrusted to them. Instead of watching two morons butting heads with no idea why - remove them.
Absolutely toxic for the community, with all the risk of misuse of illegally obtained data from both sides it's immoral to even allow the chance in my opinion. I'm not for banning many people, in fact I encourage discussion 99% of the time but this is just getting stupid and dangerous and obviously isn't going to improve
this.
I don't think anybody really wants me to have the option to ban members because I think they are a "idiot/moron/immoral/stupid/incompetent/etc" do they ?
Also in the case of a provider (without a tag) is it not better to let them have a voice here and dig their own grave ?
Does it not give some buying hesitation to future members who are unfamiliar with these providers , when they see this stuff, as opposed to not finding the information ?
Obviously what FlorinMarian did by posting what he did on LET was wrong. I don't think that anyone is disputing or supporting that type of behavior.
Of course it was wrong, I knew this from the start since I was aware that any revenge is wrong.
If I could turn back time, I wouldn't do it again, but that's another discussion for later.
@FlorinMarian said:
Of course it was wrong, I knew this from the start since I was aware that any revenge is wrong.
If I could turn back time, I wouldn't do it again, but that's another discussion for later.
We hope you have learned the lesson.
Think before you write.
Practice self-censorship.
We accept Karma donations for the last flan. 🍮 affbrr
He doesn't deserve to be banned here, he didn't do anything wrong here.
I'm also banned on LET but free to talk here as long as I play by local rules.
You got banned because you probably pissed off some mod or something. What Florin did is not even remotely close. It is like spitting in the face of whole community and everything it stands for just because ‘he got intimidated by a kid with broken english and his caveman operation’. Hence the outcry for ban.
my 0.69 cents
And when I think that I posted that to help the community... (obviously, not Calin).
You are truly delusional.
I thought my delusions were bad enough when I kept imagining my whole life with every girl I saw. Thanks for proving that wrong @FlorinMarian
@chris said:
Ban both - problem solved. Both show a blatant disregard for people's privacy and respect of data entrusted to them. Instead of watching two morons butting heads with no idea why - remove them.
Absolutely toxic for the community, with all the risk of misuse of illegally obtained data from both sides it's immoral to even allow the chance in my opinion. I'm not for banning many people, in fact I encourage discussion 99% of the time but this is just getting stupid and dangerous and obviously isn't going to improve
this.
I don't think anybody really wants me to have the option to ban members because I think they are a "idiot/moron/immoral/stupid/incompetent/etc" do they ?
Also in the case of a provider (without a tag) is it not better to let them have a voice here and dig their own grave ?
Does it not give some buying hesitation to future members who are unfamiliar with these providers , when they see this stuff, as opposed to not finding the information ?
Obviously what FlorinMarian did by posting what he did on LET was wrong. I don't think that anyone is disputing or supporting that type of behavior.
Everyone was stupid in some way. But also everyone should open the eyes and look further. Keep in mind, both made a mistake and both can't be used as daily drivers. Stay away from them or any romanian providers. They made enough dramas lately and in last years.
Everyone was stupid in some way. But also everyone should open the eyes and look further. Keep in mind, both made a mistake and both can't be used as daily drivers. Stay away from them or any romanian providers. They made enough dramas lately and in last years.
This is the trouble, I know of a Romanian provider who won't touch these forums due to associated bad PR - in my opinion keeping them around as the butt of the joke is short sighted. They've both at a bare minimum attempted to commit, or actually committed a crime.
@chris said:
Ban both - problem solved. Both show a blatant disregard for people's privacy and respect of data entrusted to them. Instead of watching two morons butting heads with no idea why - remove them.
Absolutely toxic for the community, with all the risk of misuse of illegally obtained data from both sides it's immoral to even allow the chance in my opinion. I'm not for banning many people, in fact I encourage discussion 99% of the time but this is just getting stupid and dangerous and obviously isn't going to improve
this.
I don't think anybody really wants me to have the option to ban members because I think they are a "idiot/moron/immoral/stupid/incompetent/etc" do they ?
Also in the case of a provider (without a tag) is it not better to let them have a voice here and dig their own grave ?
Does it not give some buying hesitation to future members who are unfamiliar with these providers , when they see this stuff, as opposed to not finding the information ?
Obviously what FlorinMarian did by posting what he did on LET was wrong. I don't think that anyone is disputing or supporting that type of behavior.
Of course it was wrong, I knew this from the start since I was aware that any revenge is wrong.
If I could turn back time, I wouldn't do it again, but that's another discussion for later.
A couple of pages before you defended your action, now this.
@chris said:
Ban both - problem solved. Both show a blatant disregard for people's privacy and respect of data entrusted to them. Instead of watching two morons butting heads with no idea why - remove them.
Absolutely toxic for the community, with all the risk of misuse of illegally obtained data from both sides it's immoral to even allow the chance in my opinion. I'm not for banning many people, in fact I encourage discussion 99% of the time but this is just getting stupid and dangerous and obviously isn't going to improve
this.
I don't think anybody really wants me to have the option to ban members because I think they are a "idiot/moron/immoral/stupid/incompetent/etc" do they ?
Also in the case of a provider (without a tag) is it not better to let them have a voice here and dig their own grave ?
Does it not give some buying hesitation to future members who are unfamiliar with these providers , when they see this stuff, as opposed to not finding the information ?
Obviously what FlorinMarian did by posting what he did on LET was wrong. I don't think that anyone is disputing or supporting that type of behavior.
I am not in favor of banning him, but at the end of the day this is not a church to talk about ethics. This guy exposed a vulnerability that could potentially harm Calin clients, who (guess what?) happens to be members of the low end community.
This guy either didn't think about it due to short-sightedness (for which I doubt, even a amoeba could understand this), or he didnt give a shit. Both ways, this is a dead end.
So leave the continental philosophy aside and just focus on what's going on here and protect the community from such clowns.
By the way, having a provider tag is a privilege, which come with responsibilities, not a right. So please do the right thing when you also decide about this.
@chris said:
Ban both - problem solved. Both show a blatant disregard for people's privacy and respect of data entrusted to them. Instead of watching two morons butting heads with no idea why - remove them.
Absolutely toxic for the community, with all the risk of misuse of illegally obtained data from both sides it's immoral to even allow the chance in my opinion. I'm not for banning many people, in fact I encourage discussion 99% of the time but this is just getting stupid and dangerous and obviously isn't going to improve
this.
I don't think anybody really wants me to have the option to ban members because I think they are a "idiot/moron/immoral/stupid/incompetent/etc" do they ?
Also in the case of a provider (without a tag) is it not better to let them have a voice here and dig their own grave ?
Does it not give some buying hesitation to future members who are unfamiliar with these providers , when they see this stuff, as opposed to not finding the information ?
Obviously what FlorinMarian did by posting what he did on LET was wrong. I don't think that anyone is disputing or supporting that type of behavior.
I am not in favor of banning him, but at the end of the day this is not a church to talk about ethics. This guy exposed a vulnerability that could potentially harm Calin clients, who (guess what?) happens to be members of the low end community.
This guy either didn't think about it due to short-sightedness (for which I doubt, even a amoeba could understand this), or he didnt give a shit. Both ways, this is a dead end.
So leave the continental philosophy aside and just focus on what's going on here and protect the community from such clowns.
By the way, having a provider tag is a privilege, which come with responsibilities, not a right. So please do the right thing when you also decide about this.
His hosting provider tag was revoked before he was banned on the OGF. The review process has already been completed. So he will not be getting the tag back. IMO that is a reasonable way to protect the community.
I'm not sure what you mean to infer by the rest of your statement. So if there is something else that is not answered by my above comment please feel free to clarify for me.
@FrankZ said: His hosting provider tag was revoked before he was banned on the OGF. The review process has already been completed. So he will not be getting the tag back. IMO that is a reasonable way to protect the community.
I'm not sure what you mean to infer by the rest of your statement. So if there is something else that is not answered by my above comment please feel free to clarify for me.
Ok, I missed that review process was completed, thanks for clarifying that.
The rest of the statement is a reply to your questions about moderation, particularly the first one.
@FlorinMarian said:
Of course it was wrong, I knew this from the start since I was aware that any revenge is wrong.
If I could turn back time, I wouldn't do it again, but that's another discussion for later.
We hope you have learned the lesson.
Think before you write.
Practice self-censorship.
ofc he learned, soon will come offers for the mjj's
@chris said:
Ban both - problem solved. Both show a blatant disregard for people's privacy and respect of data entrusted to them. Instead of watching two morons butting heads with no idea why - remove them.
Absolutely toxic for the community, with all the risk of misuse of illegally obtained data from both sides it's immoral to even allow the chance in my opinion. I'm not for banning many people, in fact I encourage discussion 99% of the time but this is just getting stupid and dangerous and obviously isn't going to improve
this.
I don't think anybody really wants me to have the option to ban members because I think they are a "idiot/moron/immoral/stupid/incompetent/etc" do they ?
Also in the case of a provider (without a tag) is it not better to let them have a voice here and dig their own grave ?
Does it not give some buying hesitation to future members who are unfamiliar with these providers , when they see this stuff, as opposed to not finding the information ?
Obviously what FlorinMarian did by posting what he did on LET was wrong. I don't think that anyone is disputing or supporting that type of behavior.
Everyone was stupid in some way. But also everyone should open the eyes and look further. Keep in mind, both made a mistake and both can't be used as daily drivers. Stay away from them or any romanian providers. They made enough dramas lately and in last years.
@chris said:
Ban both - problem solved. Both show a blatant disregard for people's privacy and respect of data entrusted to them. Instead of watching two morons butting heads with no idea why - remove them.
Absolutely toxic for the community, with all the risk of misuse of illegally obtained data from both sides it's immoral to even allow the chance in my opinion. I'm not for banning many people, in fact I encourage discussion 99% of the time but this is just getting stupid and dangerous and obviously isn't going to improve
this.
I don't think anybody really wants me to have the option to ban members because I think they are a "idiot/moron/immoral/stupid/incompetent/etc" do they ?
Also in the case of a provider (without a tag) is it not better to let them have a voice here and dig their own grave ?
Does it not give some buying hesitation to future members who are unfamiliar with these providers , when they see this stuff, as opposed to not finding the information ?
Obviously what FlorinMarian did by posting what he did on LET was wrong. I don't think that anyone is disputing or supporting that type of behavior.
Everyone was stupid in some way. But also everyone should open the eyes and look further. Keep in mind, both made a mistake and both can't be used as daily drivers. Stay away from them or any romanian providers. They made enough dramas lately and in last years.
agree, sooner or later they will f*you
https://zetservers.com/ is great, connected to all Tier 1's and a bunch of IX'es, loads of PoP's. But not quite lowend, at cost of fairly priced premium bandwidth, in house ddos protection, and no fucks given about unlawful threats. I'd like to see other fellow Romanian providers using transit from them, good stuff.
M247 shouldn't be going anywhere anytime soon either.
Bunea Telecom is also great for certain uses On the market for quite some time now, but largely unnoticed by general public(and that's good).
But yeah, in general these bottom feeders with insanely low prices aren't gonna last for long.
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Fair.
most accurate description of calin ever lmao
youtube.com/watch?v=k1BneeJTDcU
My 2c (thinking out loud):
It boils down to where you draw the line. A bit of an ethical dilemma, on several points:
1)
Should member and provider status be "locked together?"
I think they shouldn't. Provider tag carries a higher potential to commit frauds and harm people (customers).
"Ordinary" users don't carry that much responsibility, generally speaking.
So, I would say that it's not the same, and would be "quicker" to remove a provider tag, than to outright ban a member.
Again, these are my thoughts on the topic - without insisting nor being 100% certain that it's the right way of doing things.
2)
Should stuff done elsewhere be carried over to LES?
This one is also quite tricky. And it is related to the point 1).
When it comes to provider tags, regardless of how I find sufficient reasons to suspect a fraud, I'd be against allowing a provider tag. Even if a member is "golden" on LES.
But, when it comes to banning members, I'm not so sure if things should "spill over."
Can a "toxic" "fraudulent" member behave well? In theory, yes. It's worth giving second chances and the benefit of a doubt.
So, I'm not 100% sure that the member should be outright banned. For any drastic measures (bans, tag removals and similar), I like to be 100% sure.
3)
Final thoughts
Strict policing and erring to the side of caution (in terms of "lightly" banning) is very easy IMO.
But it's not good - tyranny is just around the corner.
Of course, the other extreme of letting "everything fly," is also not good.
When it comes to administration and moderation, we try to keep a reasonable middle ground and make unanimous decisions after we've discussed all the points, pros and cons ( i.e. @Mason & @FrankZ need to read all my drivel before making any calls
- and vice-versa).
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I ain't reading all that - I will take a wild guess and say he still claims he did nothing wrong and he could act that way because Calin was dick to him in first place.
@Calin just a reminder that on top of "reinstalling" you should rotate/change keys/passwords etc. Not just copy-paste config :-D
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You got banned because you probably pissed off some mod or something. What Florin did is not even remotely close. It is like spitting in the face of whole community and everything it stands for just because ‘he got intimidated by a kid with broken english and his caveman operation’. Hence the outcry for ban.
my 0.69 cents
Why?
And when I think that I posted that to help the community... (obviously, not Calin).
Yeah... They hate me, to put it lightly. I messed with Biloh's pocket.
I believe he shouldn't be banned here still. LES is separate from LET and it should remain this way.
Keep him here, even just for entertainment purposes. Whether he will be allowed to sell anything here is up for the staff, but I don't think he deserves a ban.
I obviously don't endorse anything he did or defend him, but ye, I think you should only be banned here if you do something retarded here.
You are truly delusional.
let me cite yourself from OGF:
we didn't ask for your help either
@FlorinMarian better hold on tight to your day job.
I bench YABS 24/7/365 unless it's a leap year.
I do, but second job is also something I won't leave.
When the dust has settled, you might be able to advertise on webhostingtalk.com because of their weird rules, but I think you have destroyed your reputation permanently on green forums.
Or doing it locally for romanian small business.
I believe in good luck. Harder that I work ,luckier i get.
@FlorinMarian
I wrote you last night, there is no competition between the 2 of you. Your target clientele is not the same, never was actually.
Calin has DCMA i could not care more stamp. Actually, he is more like @cociu from this point of view, hence the top noch net performance he has ( no offense to anyone using services like this, just have to make my point of view ). If calin thinks that hosting anything will make him $, that is he's sole problem, not my, not yours, not anyone's.
Fact that he lied about having 3000 customers, he, yes, probably, we will know the truth on that when he moves all ip's to the ASN I gave him, but again, none of our problem, and well, he got 18 ~3 weeks ago, so I can understand the exaggeration/lie. I also understand the lack of competence at that age, but is not my business to point that out. Either I can help, or just get some popcorn and watch the show.
You 2 going on each-other does more damage to both of you than good, beside the popcorn drama, fueled by some for amusement and by the fact that you 2 are too young to handle a thing like this apparently.
You messed that tread big time from the start. To make my point more clear, if you would have contacted @calin to help him out ( he has no clue how to fix this) you would have actually washed away the 2 weeks downtime instantly in most eyes, not in the eyes of "the haters" as you call them, but in the eyes of those who value respect. You do not have to "love" your competitor ( if competitor is what you think he is ), but you have to respect him, beating him a a fair fight gains respect, rubbing him in the mud will gain only drama and usually not the outcome you wish.
It was a shitty business/tactic move. You do not open a second front while you are getting messed up at home ( the DDOS/ISP Fuckup ) for example.
I get the fact that you wanted to point out how messed up he's platform is, think that most of us do not know that already?
There are much better ways to earn a fan base than to expose a security breach publicly, with the breaches from Dec-2023 you just picked the worst moment possibly and the wrong thread to put that out.
Heck, if that was posted in the 'Providers" thread you might actually gotten away with it as you wanted, I will underline might here.
You are not a stupid kid, might have some expression mistakes and take most too personally, but not stupid.
People judge you by your actions, actions can be interpreted in 1000 ways, this one backfired on you. Take it as it is, berry it, learn from it and move on.
You managed to piss most that wanted to help you out, I wish to see how will you fix that.
My offer is still on the table regarding your net connection if you wish to try again, write me.
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False assumption. We already have the proof he's an idiot.
EDIT:
Another proof that he's an idiot:
If that's not a clear demonstration of an idiot being an idiot, I don't really know what is.
I am starting to wonder why @host_c is still trying to help TheIdiot in any way after all the demonstration he's done on LET and here...
So you registered a user just to mock FlorinMarian. Don't drag this forum down to LET level.
As @Calin has send emails to clients regarding this and no customer data was exposed. The title of this thread has been changed. The thread is no longer regarding a customer data breach, but comments on the actions and responses of FlorinMarian.
Where do you see me mocking @Calin ?
Ban both - problem solved. Both show a blatant disregard for people's privacy and respect of data entrusted to them. Instead of watching two morons butting heads with no idea why - remove them.
Absolutely toxic for the community, with all the risk of misuse of illegally obtained data from both sides it's immoral to even allow the chance in my opinion. I'm not for banning many people, in fact I encourage discussion 99% of the time but this is just getting stupid and dangerous and obviously isn't going to improve
*FlorinMarian
this.
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Different story.
Sure, I keep my statement that FlorinMarian is an idiot, or, if you want to put it more nicely: a monkey pressing buttons, hoping for the best, while throwing bananas at other monkeys hoping the zookeeper will pet him nicely.
Regarding my registration, I signed up mostly because I like forums in general. Having the opportunity to mock (what I consider to be) an idiot, is just an added bonus.
@FlorinMarian should be banned here also, LET wOOpEd his sorry ass !
Get off your high horse, you want to ban everyone. You also wanted me banned for whatever reason.
Only time I've seen you post here was whining about people and calling for bans.
While we are on topic of bans, why was @Andreix banned? He also runs a hosting company and I haven't seen him doing anything rule breaking here.
No high horse for me, do you remember why? I can't really recall your name
I believe it was because I distributed Cloudie leak(public information) to affected people before Cloudie made any statement and was in full damage control mode.
https://lowendspirit.com/discussion/comment/166227#Comment_166227
At a glance I'd expect it's "Don't be a dick."
Nothing he said was a lie. Also calling someone an Idiot is a pretty "reasonable" insult in my book.
To be fair, not sure I'd use you as my litmus test.
Finally! Some popcorn drama with butter!
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I don't think anybody really wants me to have the option to ban members because I think they are a "idiot/moron/immoral/stupid/incompetent/etc" do they ?
Also in the case of a provider (without a tag) is it not better to let them have a voice here and dig their own grave ?
Does it not give some buying hesitation to future members who are unfamiliar with these providers , when they see this stuff, as opposed to not finding the information ?
Obviously what FlorinMarian did by posting what he did on LET was wrong. I don't think that anyone is disputing or supporting that type of behavior.
True. But the hate drama is strong with this one. Let him dig his (grave) "involucration".
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Of course it was wrong, I knew this from the start since I was aware that any revenge is wrong.
If I could turn back time, I wouldn't do it again, but that's another discussion for later.
Somebody should edit wikipedia for the word "involucration" and sign it as "the outcome of the cociu event"
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I thought my delusions were bad enough when I kept imagining my whole life with every girl I saw. Thanks for proving that wrong @FlorinMarian
youtube.com/watch?v=k1BneeJTDcU
Everyone was stupid in some way. But also everyone should open the eyes and look further. Keep in mind, both made a mistake and both can't be used as daily drivers. Stay away from them or any romanian providers. They made enough dramas lately and in last years.
Ahhh then against the rules - then I stand by what I said at the time! Apologies for forgetting you.
This is the trouble, I know of a Romanian provider who won't touch these forums due to associated bad PR - in my opinion keeping them around as the butt of the joke is short sighted. They've both at a bare minimum attempted to commit, or actually committed a crime.
That's where I'd draw the line personally
A couple of pages before you defended your action, now this.
Go get some help, seriously dude.
I am not in favor of banning him, but at the end of the day this is not a church to talk about ethics. This guy exposed a vulnerability that could potentially harm Calin clients, who (guess what?) happens to be members of the low end community.
This guy either didn't think about it due to short-sightedness (for which I doubt, even a amoeba could understand this), or he didnt give a shit. Both ways, this is a dead end.
So leave the continental philosophy aside and just focus on what's going on here and protect the community from such clowns.
By the way, having a provider tag is a privilege, which come with responsibilities, not a right. So please do the right thing when you also decide about this.
His hosting provider tag was revoked before he was banned on the OGF. The review process has already been completed. So he will not be getting the tag back. IMO that is a reasonable way to protect the community.
I'm not sure what you mean to infer by the rest of your statement. So if there is something else that is not answered by my above comment please feel free to clarify for me.
ironically, by exposing an unfixed vulnerability in a forum does not protect the clients.
Ok, I missed that review process was completed, thanks for clarifying that.
The rest of the statement is a reply to your questions about moderation, particularly the first one.
Hmmm
The Yeti has left the building.
Wow, what a bad start of a year. Loosing 2 main marketing sources. "At that moment he knew - he fucked up" - listen this in deep Morgan Freeman voice.
ofc he learned, soon will come offers for the mjj's
agree, sooner or later they will f*you
https://zetservers.com/ is great, connected to all Tier 1's and a bunch of IX'es, loads of PoP's. But not quite lowend, at cost of fairly priced premium bandwidth, in house ddos protection, and no fucks given about unlawful threats. I'd like to see other fellow Romanian providers using transit from them, good stuff.
M247 shouldn't be going anywhere anytime soon either.
Bunea Telecom is also great for certain uses
On the market for quite some time now, but largely unnoticed by general public(and that's good).
But yeah, in general these bottom feeders with insanely low prices aren't gonna last for long.