A new kind of vps, a proposal for the people of LES
Dear all,
winter is coming, and here in Italy i am starting to feel quite cold. I am afraid to turn on my gas boiler to heat up my radiators, so i am looking for alternative ways to heat up my house.
I was astonished by what Calin has done, and i was thinking: if he can do it, why can't i?
I have collected some parts, enough to assemble a node like this:
- AMD Ryzen 7 5750GE
- 32gb DDR4 SO-DIMM ram
- 2x 2TB Samsung 860 + 4x 14TB Toshiba HDD + 1x 1TB SN850 PRO
- colocated beside my bed (i am cold when i sleep)
Storage configuration of the host (ZFS):
- all storage is connected via USB
- HDDs in raidz1
- 2TB SSDs are mixed L2ARC + special dev (with small_blocks set to 8k, so that basically text/linux files end up on ssd)
- 1TB SSD (nvme) is hypervisor
additionally, storage is replicated using PBS at two different locations! one is my office, the other is 300km from here at the beautiful Ligurian seashore
NAME STATE READ WRITE CKSUM foxopool ONLINE 0 0 0 raidz1-0 ONLINE 0 0 0 ata-TOSHIBA_MG07ACA14TE_31M0A0TEF94G ONLINE 0 0 0 ata-TOSHIBA_MG07ACA14TE_X120A01JF94G ONLINE 0 0 0 ata-TOSHIBA_MG07ACA14TE_31M0A1HTF94G ONLINE 0 0 0 ata-TOSHIBA_MG07ACA14TE_31M0A1JDF94G ONLINE 0 0 0 special mirror-1 ONLINE 0 0 0 ata-Samsung_SSD_860_EVO_2TB_S3YVNB0KC07037N-part1 ONLINE 0 0 0 ata-Samsung_SSD_860_EVO_2TB_S3YVNB0KC07042P-part1 ONLINE 0 0 0 logs /zil0 ONLINE 0 0 0 cache ata-Samsung_SSD_860_EVO_2TB_S3YVNB0KC07037N-part2 ONLINE 0 0 0 wwn-0x5002538e40b58b2f-part2 ONLINE 0 0 0
Network:
- 200/20 ADSL (shared)
- 5G network for backup and load balance
- DMCA ignored (as much as i can push this Telecom Italia Business contract, at least)
Virtualization:
- LXC
- unlimited shapshots until zfs or proxmox crashes, whatever comes first
Ports 'n IPs:
- No IPv6 fuck you @yoursunny
- IPv4 (shared in 87.0.0.0/12 range) + 5 high quality ports
VERY IMPORTANT ABOUT THE PORTS
Ports are assigned from a pool of commonly used ports. The goal is to make a marketplace of IPv4 ports. Just like on the famous game Monopoly, at the beginning of your contract you will receive five random ports. For example, you might receive 5432 (postgresql), 5091 (vnc), 25565 (minecraft) and 1883 (mqtt). You can, on a specialized marketplace, trade or sell your ports to other users on the same node. Ports are automatically revoked when a mismatching service is detected running. If you receive port 53, you HAVE TO run DNS on it. You CANNOT run whatever you want. I do not want NON STANDARD PORTS.
IMPORTANT INFO ABOUT THE IP
IP address in this case is dynamic from a pool of business addressed kindly provided by Telecom Italia. I would like to give the option to everybody to be able to change ip at their will, but i do understand that this will upset somebody which wants stability. For this reason, i will provide a DNS record which will automatically point to the ip of the node. But i also understand somebody will want to change the ip, or not change it. For this reason, i have invented a very simple voting method of "reverse bidding". The cost of changing the IP is inversely proportional to the amount of time the IP has been active. Changing the ip starts from 1000€, and drops 0.01157€ every second (reaches 0 every 24 hours). Users of the node can chip in money to either vote FOR or AGAINST the change of ip. As soon as the amount of money against or in favour of changing the ip is equal to the needed amount, the IP is either A: consolidated for another 24 hours or B: changed. In both cases the counter resets.
YABS!!!!
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Wed Nov 9 22:43:01 UTC 2022
Basic System Information:
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Uptime : 1 days, 1 hours, 12 minutes
Processor : AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 4750GE with Radeon Graphics
CPU cores : 8 @ 4365.000 MHz
AES-NI : ✔ Enabled
VM-x/AMD-V : ✔ Enabled
RAM : 1.23 GiB
Swap : 4.56 MiB
Disk : 78.9 GiB
Distro : Debian GNU/Linux 11 (bullseye)
Kernel : 5.15.53-1-pve
fio Disk Speed Tests (Mixed R/W 50/50):
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Block Size | 4k (IOPS) | 64k (IOPS)
------ | --- ---- | ---- ----
Read | 95.76 MB/s (23.9k) | 298.46 MB/s (4.6k)
Write | 96.02 MB/s (24.0k) | 300.03 MB/s (4.6k)
Total | 191.79 MB/s (47.9k) | 598.50 MB/s (9.3k)
| |
Block Size | 512k (IOPS) | 1m (IOPS)
------ | --- ---- | ---- ----
Read | 572.55 MB/s (1.1k) | 651.33 MB/s (636)
Write | 602.97 MB/s (1.1k) | 694.71 MB/s (678)
Total | 1.17 GB/s (2.2k) | 1.34 GB/s (1.3k)
iperf3 Network Speed Tests (IPv4):
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Provider | Location (Link) | Send Speed | Recv Speed
| | |
Clouvider | London, UK (10G) | 16.6 Mbits/sec | 165 Mbits/sec
Online.net | Paris, FR (10G) | 16.5 Mbits/sec | 166 Mbits/sec
Hybula | The Netherlands (40G) | 14.4 Mbits/sec | 165 Mbits/sec
Uztelecom | Tashkent, UZ (10G) | busy | 1.18 Mbits/sec
Clouvider | NYC, NY, US (10G) | busy | 702 Kbits/sec
Clouvider | Dallas, TX, US (10G) | busy | 1.18 Mbits/sec
Clouvider | Los Angeles, CA, US (10G) | busy | busy
Running GB5 benchmark test... *cue elevator music*
Geekbench 5 Benchmark Test:
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Test | Value
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Single Core | 1186
Multi Core | 4002
Full Test | https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/18537673
Cost: a symbolic price of 1€
The offer is not live yet but i wanted to know your opinion: would you buy something like this?
Comments
Sounds like a decent plan for some fun, are you planning on running a billing platform and control panel?
Everything can be managed by a Telegram bot.
Regards
I'm worried about data security, I think it's illegal, if I bought your service, I probably wouldn't build a website.
i could pick one for my one-ip blog.
This is one of the funniest LES projects I've seen. I wouldn't get a service but I WILL lurk the threads that ensue from this.
usb hard drives and 20 uplink... what could go wrong.
20 megabit shared uplink? Lol. The few hundred watts from the machine will not heat your house somewhere. I do know someone who heated his house with bitcoin mining, but he had a big setup in the era when gpu mining was profitable. He was probably using 10KW or more of power.
Heating up the house using servers might be a solution, but it's a noisy solution. I consider this a very good option for people with hearing problems, since they won't be bothered by the noise.
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What if I multiplex the port?
For example, port 53 could be DNS for everyone else, but VXLAN for myself.
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Have you taken ambient temperature measurements with the system under full load to be certain your house will reach your desired temperature?
ROFL +1
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@yoursunny u'r cockblocked on this post !
1 euro per month ?
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Data is encrypted using a very strong cryptographic key which is stored in ram only. If somebody steals the server, they'll have to steal the key from my brain.
Usb hard drives have been running for two years with no downtime as a CDN origin, usb protocol is switched to UAS which is pretty much transforms the connection into SCSI (but while still using the physical usb cable).
Power consumption full load (disk included) 65w, idle or doing few things 15-20w
The system is pretty much fanless.
You'll have to pass on my dead body.
No
I think it's a fair price after all
The system has already been built and looks like this:
1€ Per what? Month ? Year? Lifetime ?
Why?
Month
A new category of LowEnd emerges: winterhost
On topic, will there be offsite (kitchen cabinet) pendrive backups as paid addon?
That's a ripoff. You must be thinking we are rich or something to order NAT at 1 EUR per month. We got bills to pay too.
Scalway offers IPv6 with all ports for half that price. And Calin (your model inspiration) literally has an offer on LES frontpage with $5.5/year.
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Naah
We get pretty decent KVM VPS with dedicated IPv4 for equal or even less than that price
Why?
probably should take a look how
freeshell.desetup their serverFuck this 24/7 internet spew of trivia and celebrity bullshit.
32GB for the entire node?
How many users are you planning to put on this thing?
Also it might be fanless, but the HDD noise will drive you crazy when you're trying to be asleep. What you save in heating costs, you'll spend on earplugs.
Oldschool!
Reminds me of the good ol' IRC days
"The imitator dooms himself to hopeless mediocrity." — Ralph Waldo Emerson
they're still active.
sdf.orgtooFuck this 24/7 internet spew of trivia and celebrity bullshit.
I just logged into good ole' half forgotten polarhome.com shell.
It's impressive to see zoli still run all those ancient boxes since 2000 or something.
Yeah I can still see some users IRC'ing from SDF boxes.
"The imitator dooms himself to hopeless mediocrity." — Ralph Waldo Emerson
What would be the price with a dedicated IPv4? Expected?
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Can I #DOUBLE everything by buying two?
It really do be like that sometimes
Please read the OP. There are two off-site backups: one is in my office, and the other is in my other's house on the Ligurian coast (for optimal cooling). Both are QNAP running 2x12T RAID1 with PBS on it.
If you want me to passthrough a usb pendrive, that'll be an one off cost of 1€ (plus shipping).
You know what, when i read your post i immediately felt bad. As if i would rip off the LES community.
I spent one hour of driving by thinking about what to write, talking aloud to an imaginary you, pretending there was an argument. People often do not realize that the words they write don't hurt, but i can guarantee that behind this person that pretends to be an animal on the internet for fun, there is a real heart a real brain, with real fingers and real ligaments, touching real keys on a real computer. And all of these things can hurt or be damaged in many ways, and one of them with words.
So please, before calling me a rip-off, consider everything that has happened and lead us to this moment. You say "Scalway offers IPv6 with all ports for half that price".
Well. First of all i couldn't find any "Scalway" company that sells those VPS.
And even if they existed, do they offer the same 1.23gb RAM 4.56mb SWAP 78.9GB storage i offer? Do they offer a way to change your ip address whenever you want? You have to consider that a VPS is not just a VPS, it's a whole world. You're not spending 1€ in vps, you're spending 1€ in priceless fun. Don't have 1€ to spare? Alright, guess we'll have fun without you.
I've tried to contact Calin for a collaboration but i haven't hear back ever since, probably something with them missing SFP and rDNS on the mail server, but i might be wrong.
If you send me a link where you can get a KVM VPS with dedicated IPv4 and a comparable result on YABS i will pay it for you for two years.
I plan to upgrade to 64G soon, issue is the server only has two so-dimms.
No, these TOSHIBAs are quite quiet, and most reads/writes are dissipated into the SSDs.
That will require me to get another dedicated line, you will receive dedicated residential 200/20 for 19€/mo
Included is also a 4G sim card with unlimited traffic which should work fine all over eu (i can ship it to you)
Comment your order number
I meant Scaleway. It was a typo. If you type "scalway" in search engine you should get the Scaleway result though. Here is the offer for your convenience.
Meanwhile...
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Backups on an QNAP device? I hope it’s
Not connected to the internet…..
I give eight of them.
I give 1.27Gb of it.
I give five high quality ports
i offer 87gb!!!!
I offer 200mb!!!!!
No backups, no ip change, no bidet, and one of the most blacklisted networks
How the fuck do you even consider that little French fart a comparable server??? Are you out of your mind?
Hello,
as i said, these are QNAP devices running PBS.
PBS replaces the insecure OS which QNAP is running by default.
For your serenity of mind, i'll let you know that they are also connected between each other with wireguard, with internet connection cut off (they access the wireguard device through an external router).
Regards,
[email protected]
Maybe this is an added free bonus. The backups are freely available for others to make backups of your backups! Can never have enough backups.
It really do be like that sometimes
Oh well, it did not even launch properly and I can already contemplate on the nigh end for this one. Good luck @foxone - you're gonna need it.
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Could you please describe how do you manage load balance that ADSL and 5g? Genuinly interested.
Offer violates rules: OP doesn't have provider tag and offer is not free.
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@yoursunny It's not even an offer currently:
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Sorry but i m don t receive you message
my discord it's: Stapinu#0670
PS: I m really liked you project , I died of laughter
PSv2: if you want to warm up, you need at least 10 servers
Regards,
Calin
The port lottery thing would be cool if we could run whatever service we want on each port... Otherwise it's just a total gamble on if you get a port for a service you want to host. That's the main thing that makes me pause.
Those 1L business desktops are great little home server machines. I currently have 5 of them with 4C/8T CPUs, 32GB RAM, and 120GB+500GB SSDs for the OS and my Docker swarm cluster. Works quite well, very compact, fairly energy efficient and quiet.
Cheap dedis are my drug, and I'm too far gone to turn back.
Scaleway is a baguette, my server is like a home cooked pizza made by your italian grandma. What would you eat? Good luck with your baguette.
Hello,
all traffic goes through a VPS over at TIM DC ( https://wholesaledigitalstore.it/ ). The outbound IP is the same, but connections are divided based on load. This way the outgoing ip is always the same.
It does get a bit messy with latency but so far it worked okay.
Counterargument: i am not offering a server, i'm offering an entrance to a circus which also comes with a free server.
Offer is free to be bough or not.
Dear Calin,
there is also a RTX3080 + RTX2060 + GTX1660 generating furry porn art with Stable Diffusion 24/7. The side of the house with the servers is already getting warmer.
Regards
Foxo
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Yes. I find those prebuilts with weird designs and form factors much more fun to hack on (soldering!) than normal computers which are the same since the '00.
Offer is free to be bough or not.
more like that entire circus is inside of the server.
Who cares? This is how Calin started, and look where we are now.
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Doesn't need it, he's pretty much channeling the spirit of the low end with this offer. That's not a provider by any metric 😝
on ADSL? top kek
I provide fun
I'm still waiting for FTTH to arrive
Why do we pay attention to this crap? He does not even have a provider tag and we indulge him in an offensive behaviour towards other providers? Is LES going the path of wooden frames, basements and shit hardware just for the sake of low-end?
This thread is long overdue. It should be closed (my opinion).
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Perhaps a new forum category for "hosting at home" or "bad idea hosting" is needed so we can separate the wheat from the chaff.
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