I sent two tickets,Hosthatch charged me $5 Failure to pay the fine within 48 hours will delete
Hosthatch is the cheapest storage provider
I like their service very much
Until this migration
My server will expire soon. I want to switch to two-year payment
Enjoy the discount I bought the server at that time
Accidentally issued two tickets
Hosthatch creates an invoice and requires payment within 48 hours
And threatened me by deleting the server, which shocked me
Do you have this situation?
After I read all TOS of hosthatch
No relevant content found
Can you give me a reasonable explanation?
I still like you very much
I don't want to make a bad impression on you because of this kind of thing 
@hosthatch
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By the way, it took them only five minutes to create the invoice
Hi there,
We're really trying hard to provide better support for our promotional plans. But cases like this make it harder to do so.
There is nothing accidental about you opening a ticket asking for something, getting politely refused, and then the next day opening another ticket about the exact same thing hoping to get a different outcome because it might go to a different support agent.
I seriously laught when I've read that, but I can understand HostHatch also a bit, I know how annoying this is.
It would be automated. Pay the 5USD and get on with life
OP did get a different outcome after all.
Ended up with a $5 invoice
"The imitator dooms himself to hopeless mediocrity." — Ralph Waldo Emerson
Hold on. WTF???
Customers can be a PITA, but actually look at that invoice. It is for immediate payment of $5 (due date same as invoice) with a note that if it's not paid within 48 hours his existing, already paid for, service will be terminated immediately.
IMHO, no matter how much of an irritation support tickets are, there's no way that's acceptable. I could almost see it being borderline acceptable at the next billing period, but extorting someone by threatening to cancel their service if they don't pay with 2 days notice, and that over the weekend, doesn't seem acceptable from any provider.
That is a completely understandable opinion, and you're welcome to open up your company, provide a $15/year promotional service that you barely make any money on, and have a better policy for what you consider acceptable and not acceptable as support abuse. I will be your first customer.
o_O
so say we all
You might feel justified in your actions, but it surely takes seconds to just close a support ticket. Regardless of whether you think their request was pointless or not, that does not justify cancelling their already paid-for service with just a weekend's notice not because they violated any terms of service, but because they caused you to have to spend a few seconds reading a ticket that you felt was beneath you.
https://hostloc.com/thread-1048018-1-6.html
Cancel this one and buy new chicken from dalao?
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Yeah, I think you're misunderstanding where the problem lies here HH - You sell a service, advertise it and then scream and cry over one ticket too many.... That's like the strangest concept to me.
However I see your point at the renewal question being asked twice... Why not merge the ticket and point out the previous answer? I get it, its frustrating but only you chose to market to the lowend market and make next to no money 😆 You shouldn't really have a meltdown at customers because you setup a business plan that wasn't thought through.
Thank you for providing some weekend humor. Your rant has been doubled
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HostHatch used to run a bakery, cost of a loaf of bread doubled if you stepped on more than 4 floor tiles between the door and the till due to increased wear and tear.... If only he'd factored the cost of floor tiles into his business model 😛
No idea who pissed you off buddy. You're welcome to choose the former scammer who seems to be running a "successful" company nowadays instead of us. He will write 3 paragraphs of politeness even if you just say hello to him, but we aren't running with the money we made by scamming people a few years ago, so our tolerance for abuse is much lower.
We do the same thing with a bunch of other things as well. For example, users from one country used to create multiple accounts with a single service each to later sell them and avoid the $10 transfer fee. We started regularly charging them $15-20 per service (instead of the regular $10) to merge all those services into one account, or suspend all of them. There was a lot of drama created on a forum when we started doing this because it seemed unfair. Eventually, though, almost no one creates multiple accounts anymore for that reason.
Because it's in bad taste. It's not a simple "accident" of sending two tickets. We're generally nice people if you are nice to us.
If you feel wronged, sue.
I realize the damage is too small to make it worth your time, but add in mental damage. Say in the court that you had a fight with your partner over this and that you ended up bashing two very expensive vases over the matter.
Sue. Do the world a favor, and sue.
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Should he include additional support time at his next offers and double the price? Imo the behavior of the OP is bold and I wonder why so many defend it. If I remember people posting they're waiting months to get a reply, these kind of tickets (definitely not just this single one, rather a couple hundret all together) add to the queue. If hosthatch was just closing the ticket, the topic would be like "hosthatch closing my tickets w/o reply" instead.
I need that GIF of the guy eating popcorn, watching the show!
Nobody "pissed me off" I'm quite a happy chap sat in my garden enjoying the lovely weather!
Don't know your company that well, never really appealed to my specific needs but your offers look cool and I like the company from afar....
Don't know who the scammer you mention is, but I doubt I need his/her services either! Your classification of abuse, alongside your business planning is what encouraged me to poke fun at the whole scenario.... Please don't misunderstand or misquote me - I think the pair of you are coming across as a little bit silly!
Its more handbags at dawn than abuse though 🤣 To further clarify my point I'm not taking sides.... Or running off with a scammer.... I just think the way you conduct your business has a few flaws but I wish you both well
yes. that's why one would expect the answer to the second ticket be a short premade text block, pointing out that opening the next one will incur cost and risk of getting suspended.
issuing no warning here and making up an invoice out of thin air, is most likely breaking the contract and against customer protection laws in most countries. sorry, but that's just a bullshit business practise.
I like Hosthatch, their services and sales. a lot of people do. and most of those people also gave a lot of breathing room towards Hosthatch when it came to provisioning times and broken time lines and such.
one would expect that to be appreciated and favor returned, even if someone is 'stupid' enough to put in a second ticket like OP.
don't be those guys @hosthatch , as others said, you chose to enter the lions den with your offers like that and you are around long enough to saw this coming. don't make up rules as you go that make you look shady and like you don't care for your contractual obligations you entered.
You know he could have just replied "This offer was only available last year". That would have been fine.
Saying, "you know what, I think you're trying to take advantage, and so I'm increasing your price from the next renewal" would have been a crappy move, but still up to the provider to renege on a recurring deal.
But to charge a fee equal to 4 months service for asking a question twice is excessive. Extorting payment by threatening to prematurely ending his service over the weekend if he doesn't pay up. That's the sign of someone who needs to learn to chill.
To then top that off by explaining how he's casually racist and regularly charges people from one country extra fees, but says he's still "generally nice". I mean wow.
I decided to have a look at their TOS. I can't see anything about HH reserving the right to add charges on a whim because they feel slighted, but I did see this which made me chuckle: "HostHatch warrants that the Service(s) shall be provided in a workmanlike and professional manner."
To me it looks like the OP misread the original offer (from the screenshot in the link @yoursunny provided) and because he's now going into the second year of service, he's asking if he's eligible for the discount. He certainly doesn't seem to be trying to scam or anything. Maybe cheeky asking if he can get a discount later, but then look at the forum and see how many time people ask cheeky questions about expired offers and end up getting the discount. It doesn't really look like the OP actually did anything to justify HH's ire.
It's a difference if you ask this in a forum or if you create a support ticket for it. Support tickets cause overhead at staff being dedicated to help peoeple where as in the forum it's mostly answered by other members or left as it is (what you can't do with a support ticket as I pointed out in my previous answer).
If he sends a warning for this one, on the next issue he opens two tickets for, there'll be discussion about that he has warned him because of the previous issue and that it'd be two completely separated things. If I recall some previous threads/comments, warnings wouldn't reduce the overhead because some clients are really reluctant.
Do they have Paypal?
If they do, you could charge them if you know their paypal address. Since they are charging 5 bucks per a ticket, charge them through paypal, 500 bucks per mental breakdown you've had due to this incident.
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Racknerd. They used to operate Alpharacks which was a nearly-scam operation with extremely oversold servers that they bought off of Quadranet posing as external customers, while being employed by them.
Ahhh thanks for that clarification Steve! Although I'm not sure of the relevance of it originally being brought up by HH..... Maybe the sun got me and I'm not thinking correctly 😛
AKA the purple daddy, I believe.
There are more ... direct nicknames for him though.
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OP does not have PayPal.
The chicken in question was obtained by modifying the email address on the account, without going through provider's transfer ticket process and payment of $10 transfer fee.
https://hostloc.com/thread-1048001-1-1.html
OP is currently collecting "evidence" to post a drama thread on OGF.
https://hostloc.com/thread-1048033-1-1.html
问：小鸡出不出
撕逼完马上出
新的不收了
Translation:
If you may ask, am I gonna sell the chickens?
After posting drama threads, I'll sell them right away.
I don't plan to buy any new chickens.
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"The imitator dooms himself to hopeless mediocrity." — Ralph Waldo Emerson
Time to create an alternative, something like ... PushPal?
That sounds a bit wrong.
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That is exactly what we did, but interesting to see the default assumption that we're evil and have no common sense. That might be because the OP has chosen to share very specific details, which doesn't include the first ticket, where we told him exactly that.
This, added with the fact that the OP claims to "accidentally" have created two tickets when we know for a fact that it is not the case, just makes it worse.
If I read the OP's post and didn't have any other details, I would also assume by default that the provider is being the asshole here.
If it was someone else on shift, they might have handled it differently and possibly said "we see what you are trying to do and it is not appreciated, so please don't do it again or we will have to charge you for trying to abuse an already highly discounted promotion".
Anyway, I'm glad you guys got your weekend's drama out of this, but most providers will handle this behavior in a similarly aggressive manner to demotivate other people from attempting the same thing (DO/Vultr ban people when they try to create multiple accounts to abuse their one-time per customer promos, etc).
That is who the OP is comparing us to on his other post, hence the relevance.
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To prevent drama threads like this, may I suggest that you include phrasing like this when saying no to customers:
I always appreciate your centered opinion, but there is a lot more to it than is being shared here by the OP.
There is something very wrong with your business model if you need to charge $5 for a customer asking the same thing twice.
Do NOT listen to Steve.
We need drama. We want drama. We dig drama.
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This:
Regardless of how you spin it, that is unquestioningly racist. Assuming that because you've have a bad experience with some people from a country that everyone else from there is also bad. And if you didn't mean it to be racist, I'm not sure why you even mentioned it.
OK, yeah fair point. My dictionary has a far more colourful translation of 撕逼 than you gave, so I'll concede that this guy might also be a douche.
But anyway, regardless, I still think this was handled badly. Whatever the circumstances, HH has taken an action that amounts extortion, when it would have been far easier to just say no and let their service come to a natural end in 2 weeks time without any drama.
If he didn’t, the only option he’d have is to underpay support folks, but then we’d have a separate conversation about how Emil is being a greedy capitalist making millions off of the backs of poor support folks.
But hey, never let some facts come in the way of a drama thread.
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“R” card being thrown around without substance.
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Therefore, removing human element is a good idea for any business. We don't need humans.
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Seems like the OP got the "asshole tax". I get it and I'm all for it for times like these. Execution could take a little work (i.e. $5 invoice must be paid by next renewal or something else) rather than suspending services so soon, but it's not like this type of thing happens frequently from what I can tell. Plus the OP conveniently missing half the details and misrepresenting what happened certainly doesn't gain them any sympathy.
Some providers do the "refund and fuck off" move, others do the "asshole tax" method to get the customer to back off or leave on their own accord. Both can be effective to reduce problem customers and give support staff some much needed relief, especially in the low end world.
yabs daddy
I've bolded the relevant part. I had previously just quoted the relevant part, but that quote got removed so I quoted the whole section this time.
PMS works well in OGF mate, not here. Chill
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I think you know you've won the argument when people start calling you labels instead of using logic.
The decisions we have to take as a business are purely for business reasons.
We can't provide services to people from Iran, even if we want to, but I am sure that will also be considered racist. We also see higher average of abuse from Nigeria, but I guess it is also racist to more carefully review orders from there?
As a brown guy who has traveled/lived in over 20 countries, and has had some very interesting experiences with race, including more than once being threatened with a knife, once because "you saudi arabia??? you not belong here!!" - it's super interesting to see what I am being accused a a racist for
But again - that's when you know you've won.
Btw
OP is long gone
So is the weekend.
Cheers
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The argument?
Was there even an argument? What a weird logic. Winning an imaginary argument isn't healthy to be utterly honest.
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Nothing I've seen here is "racist". Unless I'm mistaken, he's not charging people from a certain country more for his services... he's just charging people who attempt to circumvent the defined transfer process and abuse the system an extra fee for doing so. They fucked around and now they're finding out. Simply observing that everyone that does this is from the same place (or same online community) is not inherently "racist". Many providers have taken steps to reduce abuse and sometimes even prevent high risk countries from purchasing products (can't even count the number of Inception threads that I've seen over the years because he didn't sell to Brazil and elsewhere), but again that's just a provider making business decisions to limit abuse and ToS violations.
yabs daddy
There was no argument, just anyone disagreeing wanted to rub the belly of a scammer and were annoyed apparently 😆
I think this host, lacks a hatch and is too hot and bothered
So, will there be another $5 for this thread? Or are we making it $10?
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$7 c'mon moderator.... You know the rules 😛
Woops. Time to ban myself!
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I charge for consulting in English more than I charge for it in my native.
It was the most "politically-correct" way of forming a policy to effectivelly discount my countrymen since we're poor, which was my main goal.
Does that make me a racist?
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