I know people will get mad, but on some level you have to appreciate and marvel at their price positioning. It's cheaper than chargebee, recurly, and ubersmith at the higher revenue tiers, at the lowend they wiped the branded $2/mo away plus jacked up the price, and the monthly charges in general are low enough to preclude the development of a full featured platform in house with rigorous security testing etc.
So those at the lower end can switch to Blesta and Client Exec - this reduces ticket volume and other issues for whmcs. and those that switch to save 4-15/mo on the lower 2 tiers aren't clients they want to keep anyway. Those in the larger client tiers would need to do a cost benefit analysis - accepting the fact that owned licenses will die for the other providers after a certain conversion volume is achieved (see DA to understand this). And at these higher rates, they still want to drop the price sensitive, vocal customers - as they usually bring a large volume of other issues/requests with them.
So, it's a brilliant strategy. Leaves the providers with one choice- figure out how to increase revenue per client or increase the number of clients that are profitable and practice good database hygiene- a customer with no services really isnt active are they?
The owned licenses still work at the level you paid for- you just won't have the opportunity to pay for support and updates. But they still work - so the legal arguments fail. Also its not a monopoly, its just a large market share- there are innumerable ways of billing for cpanel and they haven't restricted access to the api for cpanel/plesk so the VC's aren't acting as a monopoly.
Finally - its a scam, illegal and blah blah blah when its coming out of your pocket, but its not a scam, illegal etc when you are taking cash from a clients pocket - or having people pay for orders for machines that always magically get caught up in customs. Seems the moral compass is off for the industry in general.
@DataGizmos said: Seems the moral compass is off for the industry in general.
It always has been. Like I said earlier or in another thread, people used to whine about the cost of a $14 cPanel licence, claiming it was a complete rip off at that price as their VPS only cost $3 per month.
Again, those that shout the loudest are usually the ones that cause more headaches for a software provider and generate the least revenue so they are better without them. cPanel knew that WHMCS is copying that. Money gained will more than compensate for money lost.
@DataGizmos said:
The owned licenses still work at the level you paid for- you just won't have the opportunity to pay for support and updates. But they still work - so the legal arguments fail. Also its not a monopoly, its just a large market share- there are innumerable ways of billing for cpanel and they haven't restricted access to the api for cpanel/plesk so the VC's aren't acting as a monopoly.
I am not so sure about this - for one the agreement was that I would pay a high one-time cost to get (1) an "owned" "lifetime" license of the WHMCS software and that (2) I would be able to get ongoing updates for it by paying a yearly subscription. The possibility to get updates for the software is cardinal here as otherwise - after a security issue or some other material bug - the software becomes obsolete quickly and my high one-time investment void.
Taking away that update option also completely devaluates the license, you would have to write down the high one time cost due to a unilateral decision implemented by a company that has not defaulted nor is under administration or similar.
Finally, while it might not be a complete monopoly, WebPros and WHMCS surely have significant market share and pricing power, way above 30% of the relevant market, so I am not sure that limiting license transfers or not providing updates for owned licenses wouldn't be considered problematic.
WebPros for sure had their lawyers pour over this for a long time, maybe some fine print was changed that I am not aware of and for sure challenging this is going to be very costly.
But denying the possibility to get updates for owned WHMCS Licenses is effectively killing those licenses, those license will not work the level you paid for simply because the (paid) update option was taken away. This is Oakley Capital 101, ready to get milked again?
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@tomazu said: the agreement was that I would pay a high one-time cost to get (1) an "owned" "lifetime" license of the WHMCS software and that (2) I would be able to get ongoing updates for it by paying a yearly subscription.
Have you read the terms you signed up for when you bought that lifetime licence? What did it say around how long 'lifetime' is and what were the consequences for you in relation to their requirement to provide future support and/or upgrades and security patches for that licence?
Having 5+ owned licenses we made the plan to pay one time upfront for this. They then changed this to a yearly support option for updates / security. Plus makes sense as a business to have this as there are costs involved in it for them to update everyone.
Then they switched it from yearly to only 6 months as an option. This you could tell their plans would be to gut it completely. When that happen we bought 12-18 months worth for some sites.
I agree with @tomazu that it's milking the cow here with it dropping any updates the owned licenses. When we signed up there was no wording about this, however they have since changed things up to prevent people from trying to go after them. Personally had we of known this we would have just stuck with HostBill.
Thankfully we already have those and Blesta accounts that we will work on switching over to in the near future.
It's one thing to jack up the rates and screw people over that way, however making a lifetime license for a product such as this no longer get updates is quite shady in my books. We will continue to also move all clients and companies we run away from any of their services.
We only have a few Cpanel systems at this point time to move them over to direct admin as well.
Pricing for us would be going up from a few hundred a year to 15k yearly.
While it's not a huge price per customer, once you add in all of the fees for credit card processing, and other panels they all start to add up and reducing those is in the best interest for us. As I bed 1 year from now those fees will increase again as they did with Cpanel.
As a Developer I believe that paying by amount of customers registered in the system is a nasty price tactic, specially if you are introducing it as a new license tier and force the customer into such subscription.
Blesta would be my choice because of the open source and security track record. Other than that I highly encourage any provider to develop their own customer area and billing system, that always (if done properly) is a good investment. If you ever plan on getting big, it is the only way. You are protected from price increases or sudden new rules. Yeah sure you will have to incur in a greater investment but long term it should pay off.
I really hope @Francisco consider expanding his rising Star (Stallion) into billing.
The only good thing that happened due to WHMCS Price hike for us is we are getting a rush of orders for shared web hosting as well as VPS where clients are ordering along with Free Blesta License, usually we don't get many requests for Blesta License, but now we are getting lots of requests for the same
If you look at the value generation though, even at the highest tier, the new WHMCS is only like $1k/month. Hiring a dev costs many multiples of that, so I guess this highlights the value generation created by WHMCS. Even for something like Blesta, they are charging like $15/month for something that generates like $10k/month of value for large companies which if you think about it, is a really amazing deal. A piece of software that took countless man hours to develop available for just $15/month... And even cheaper bulk.
Tbh, I think if I was WHMCS, I'd do the same but also lower prices to lower the barrier of entry (e.g. $0.02/customer, starting at $1/month) to base it on value, as more customers mean more value generated.
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If you look at the value generation though, even at the highest tier, the new WHMCS is only like $1k/month. Hiring a dev costs many multiples of that, so I guess this highlights the value generation created by WHMCS. Even for something like Blesta, they are charging like $15/month for something that generates like $10k/month of value for large companies which if you think about it, is a really amazing deal. A piece of software that took countless man hours to develop available for just $15/month... And even cheaper bulk.
Tbh, I think if I was WHMCS, I'd do the same but also lower prices to lower the barrier of entry (e.g. $0.02/customer, starting at $1/month) to base it on value, as more customers mean more value generated.
I think a lower entry like DA's "mini" plan would definitely be a good idea for WHMCS. Happy I grabbed Blesta Owned Lifetime license a while back, though
@Ympker said: I think a lower entry like DA's "mini" plan would definitely be a good idea for WHMCS. Happy I grabbed Blesta Owned Lifetime license a while back, though
Honestly, I think if you were able to see where their pinch points are in terms of support burden, it will be at this level. AKA too much time being spent on customers paying so little and likely no prospect of increasing profit from that segment.
@Ympker said: I think a lower entry like DA's "mini" plan would definitely be a good idea for WHMCS. Happy I grabbed Blesta Owned Lifetime license a while back, though
Honestly, I think if you were able to see where their pinch points are in terms of support burden, it will be at this level. AKA too much time being spent on customers paying so little and likely no prospect of increasing profit from that segment.
Fair enough. Some way of catering to sma businesses would still be nice then. Then again, for me, Blesta is technically all I need.
For the low end hosting market though, I don't really care what happen to them. Whatever they get, I will say they deserve it. They are the whinest and loudest bunch.
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I am expecting it, with at least 40 active servers last time I checked, I am fairly sure they will be at least in the $175 tier. They may even be in the $299 tier. They will either increase prices or change the panel.
But they are in the hosting provider bracket I would consider reliant on WHMCS.
Don't get me wrong, great service and what I pay is insignificant even if they do increase but I am getting really tight with money the more time I spend around you folks
Going to be interesting to see how this develops, that is, who stays and who moves.
Something else people need to watch out for is all those vendors giving out "free" blesta licenses that have to be run on their VPS/hosting. Nothing prevents them to start charging for those down the road after many of the low volume resellers migrate to blesta. It will be interesting to see which vendor pulls this trick first
@DataGizmos said:
Something else people need to watch out for is all those vendors giving out "free" blesta licenses that have to be run on their VPS/hosting. Nothing prevents them to start charging for those down the road after many of the low volume resellers migrate to blesta. It will be interesting to see which vendor pulls this trick first
People need to plan long term.
As a reminder BuyVm is one of the best bang for buck providers out there given performance, features, and the plethora of free licenses.
Just working on one last freebie that should really ice things
@DataGizmos said:
Something else people need to watch out for is all those vendors giving out "free" blesta licenses that have to be run on their VPS/hosting. Nothing prevents them to start charging for those down the road after many of the low volume resellers migrate to blesta. It will be interesting to see which vendor pulls this trick first
Unless Blesta changes their arrangement with providers I doubt if any responsible provider would do that
@DataGizmos said:
Something else people need to watch out for is all those vendors giving out "free" blesta licenses that have to be run on their VPS/hosting. Nothing prevents them to start charging for those down the road after many of the low volume resellers migrate to blesta. It will be interesting to see which vendor pulls this trick first
People need to plan long term.
As a reminder BuyVm is one of the best bang for buck providers out there given performance, features, and the plethora of free licenses.
Just working on one last freebie that should really ice things
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@mikho said:
Can only speak out of my own experience, with the new price levels at my current level, it will cost somewhere between 40-50cents/customer/year.
On a 4/year service, that is a big chunk.
What about other expenses for each customer, cPanel and then this, not to forget actual cost of each customer. What about hosts on thin margins ?
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@mikho said:
Can only speak out of my own experience, with the new price levels at my current level, it will cost somewhere between 40-50cents/customer/year.
On a 4/year service, that is a big chunk.
What about other expenses for each customer, cPanel and then this, not to forget actual cost of each customer. What about hosts on thin margins ?
cpanel+CloudLinux+mailchannel+jetbackup+ what not + WHMCS
Again, speaking from my own experience.
I could eat the upgrade and still survive.
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I bet WHMCS pricing will further increase sooner or later (just like cPanel). Might move to Blesta some time soon as it's much cheaper and not owned by Oakley Capital. I wonder when Plesk will be switching to a per user model/per domain model, though Plesk isn't really used by many hosts.
@martijnk said:
I'm thinking of moving to Hostbill. Any experiences? Is it easy to migrate from WHMCS?
It is best to do a test migration, get a dev license from WHMCS (it's free) as during migration you end up with so many unexpected issues which are different for all providers/users, you won't know what hurdles you will face until you do it yourself
@martijnk said:
I'm thinking of moving to Hostbill. Any experiences? Is it easy to migrate from WHMCS?
It is best to do a test migration, get a dev license from WHMCS (it's free) as during migration you end up with so many unexpected issues which are different for all providers/users, you won't know what hurdles you will face until you do it yourself
Well I'm using a lot of modulesgarden plugins plus some payment modules with annual payment which are all included in hostbill.
So I just bought hostbill and will do a test migration
@martijnk said:
I'm thinking of moving to Hostbill. Any experiences? Is it easy to migrate from WHMCS?
It is best to do a test migration, get a dev license from WHMCS (it's free) as during migration you end up with so many unexpected issues which are different for all providers/users, you won't know what hurdles you will face until you do it yourself
Well I'm using a lot of modulesgarden plugins plus some payment modules with annual payment which are all included in hostbill.
So I just bought hostbill and will do a test migration
I am expecting it, with at least 40 active servers last time I checked, I am fairly sure they will be at least in the $175 tier. They may even be in the $299 tier. They will either increase prices or change the panel.
But they are in the hosting provider bracket I would consider reliant on WHMCS.
Don't get me wrong, great service and what I pay is insignificant even if they do increase but I am getting really tight with money the more time I spend around you folks
Going to be interesting to see how this develops, that is, who stays and who moves.
While we are certainly not happy with the increase of cost of WHMCS, that increased cost it is not something we will be passing onto our clients.
@HostMantis said: While we are certainly not happy with the increase of cost of WHMCS, that increased cost it is not something we will be passing onto our clients.
Good to hear and thanks for confirming. Like I say, good service so wouldn't have made me move.
@martijnk said:
I'm thinking of moving to Hostbill. Any experiences? Is it easy to migrate from WHMCS?
It is best to do a test migration, get a dev license from WHMCS (it's free) as during migration you end up with so many unexpected issues which are different for all providers/users, you won't know what hurdles you will face until you do it yourself
Well I'm using a lot of modulesgarden plugins plus some payment modules with annual payment which are all included in hostbill.
So I just bought hostbill and will do a test migration
Just checked hostbill and it really looks awesome, far more superior then WHMCS, in fact it has all the modules for which most of the providers have been paying to third parties like module garden etc...
Can't really wait to switch to hostbill, but we are in the middle of upgrading all our VPS nodes, hence this will need to wait for a while, but for sure we will be migrating to hostbill
@HostMantis said: While we are certainly not happy with the increase of cost of WHMCS, that increased cost it is not something we will be passing onto our clients.
Good to hear and thanks for confirming. Like I say, good service so wouldn't have made me move.
Not sure what your renewal rate(s) are Lee,
Here is what I saw when I logged in today: Singapore Advanced Shared Plan
First Payment Amount $19.99 USD
Recurring Amount : $262.46 USD
Billing Cycle: Triennially
Next Due Date: 06/06/2022
Not sure what justifies a 12X 13.1 X price increase. (Precision needed, since dealing with a banker here)
WHMCS and cPanel and let me also guess COVID and Global Warming and everything else altogether.... cannot fathom this quantum of increase. Except, they don't wane me as a customer, and I am okay with that. :-)
@HostMantis said: While we are certainly not happy with the increase of cost of WHMCS, that increased cost it is not something we will be passing onto our clients.
Good to hear and thanks for confirming. Like I say, good service so wouldn't have made me move.
Not sure what your renewal rate(s) are Lee,
Here is what I saw when I logged in today: Singapore Advanced Shared Plan
First Payment Amount $19.99 USD
Recurring Amount : $262.46 USD
Billing Cycle: Triennially
Next Due Date: 06/06/2022
Not sure what justifies a 12X 13.1 X price increase. (Precision needed, since dealing with a banker here)
WHMCS and cPanel and let me also guess COVID and Global Warming and everything else altogether.... cannot fathom this quantum of increase. Except, they don't wane me as a customer, and I am okay with that. :-)
Renewal prices can be quite the surprisesurprise at HM😅 For now, I am okay with my renewal rate (reseller basic) but let's see for how long.
@vyas said: Not sure what justifies a 12X 13.1 X price increase. (Precision needed, since dealing with a banker here)
I am guessing here that you may have been on the older plan that was auto bumped to the next more expensive one after they dropped the one you were on. So not only higher renewal but higher tier.
@vyas said: Not sure what justifies a 12X 13.1 X price increase. (Precision needed, since dealing with a banker here)
I am guessing here that you may have been on the older plan that was auto bumped to the next more expensive one after they dropped the one you were on. So not only higher renewal but higher tier.
I was on the smallest reseller plan. That one went from 20 to 200 $ renewal (triennially, so it's still a competitive price compared with other providers of decent quality).
The mid-tier plan did get bumped to a higher-end plan - with renewal price going from about 50 to 150, then to 600 after this year's price hike. Also triennially.
A good example is MXroute, who sold some lifetime deals and they are sticking with those - probably because they were cautious enough to not make that the lifetime sales their main source of income.
HostMantis probably did too many crazy sales, with "lifetime, recurring discounts." They were faced with: deadpool, or go back on their deal and increase prices. I don't like either, but the latter is probably a better option.
I knew the sign-up price was too good to last. I was expecting the quality to go down. And I was wrong. HM business policy is still fluctuating, it's a bit funny. But the hosting quality has remained solid over the past two years (since the signup). If it stays like that, I'll pay the new prices and stay.
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I know people will get mad, but on some level you have to appreciate and marvel at their price positioning. It's cheaper than chargebee, recurly, and ubersmith at the higher revenue tiers, at the lowend they wiped the branded $2/mo away plus jacked up the price, and the monthly charges in general are low enough to preclude the development of a full featured platform in house with rigorous security testing etc.
So those at the lower end can switch to Blesta and Client Exec - this reduces ticket volume and other issues for whmcs. and those that switch to save 4-15/mo on the lower 2 tiers aren't clients they want to keep anyway. Those in the larger client tiers would need to do a cost benefit analysis - accepting the fact that owned licenses will die for the other providers after a certain conversion volume is achieved (see DA to understand this). And at these higher rates, they still want to drop the price sensitive, vocal customers - as they usually bring a large volume of other issues/requests with them.
So, it's a brilliant strategy. Leaves the providers with one choice- figure out how to increase revenue per client or increase the number of clients that are profitable and practice good database hygiene- a customer with no services really isnt active are they?
The owned licenses still work at the level you paid for- you just won't have the opportunity to pay for support and updates. But they still work - so the legal arguments fail. Also its not a monopoly, its just a large market share- there are innumerable ways of billing for cpanel and they haven't restricted access to the api for cpanel/plesk so the VC's aren't acting as a monopoly.
Finally - its a scam, illegal and blah blah blah when its coming out of your pocket, but its not a scam, illegal etc when you are taking cash from a clients pocket - or having people pay for orders for machines that always magically get caught up in customs. Seems the moral compass is off for the industry in general.
It always has been. Like I said earlier or in another thread, people used to whine about the cost of a $14 cPanel licence, claiming it was a complete rip off at that price as their VPS only cost $3 per month.
Again, those that shout the loudest are usually the ones that cause more headaches for a software provider and generate the least revenue so they are better without them. cPanel knew that WHMCS is copying that. Money gained will more than compensate for money lost.
I'd say 14 bucks per or whatever it is at now a Cpanel license is a rip off - if - you can run your server without it.
Majority of those on LET have to have it. So, it ain't a rip-off. It's essential cost.
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I am not so sure about this - for one the agreement was that I would pay a high one-time cost to get (1) an "owned" "lifetime" license of the WHMCS software and that (2) I would be able to get ongoing updates for it by paying a yearly subscription. The possibility to get updates for the software is cardinal here as otherwise - after a security issue or some other material bug - the software becomes obsolete quickly and my high one-time investment void.
Taking away that update option also completely devaluates the license, you would have to write down the high one time cost due to a unilateral decision implemented by a company that has not defaulted nor is under administration or similar.
Finally, while it might not be a complete monopoly, WebPros and WHMCS surely have significant market share and pricing power, way above 30% of the relevant market, so I am not sure that limiting license transfers or not providing updates for owned licenses wouldn't be considered problematic.
WebPros for sure had their lawyers pour over this for a long time, maybe some fine print was changed that I am not aware of and for sure challenging this is going to be very costly.
But denying the possibility to get updates for owned WHMCS Licenses is effectively killing those licenses, those license will not work the level you paid for simply because the (paid) update option was taken away. This is Oakley Capital 101, ready to get milked again?
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Have you read the terms you signed up for when you bought that lifetime licence? What did it say around how long 'lifetime' is and what were the consequences for you in relation to their requirement to provide future support and/or upgrades and security patches for that licence?
Having 5+ owned licenses we made the plan to pay one time upfront for this. They then changed this to a yearly support option for updates / security. Plus makes sense as a business to have this as there are costs involved in it for them to update everyone.
Then they switched it from yearly to only 6 months as an option. This you could tell their plans would be to gut it completely. When that happen we bought 12-18 months worth for some sites.
I agree with @tomazu that it's milking the cow here with it dropping any updates the owned licenses. When we signed up there was no wording about this, however they have since changed things up to prevent people from trying to go after them. Personally had we of known this we would have just stuck with HostBill.
Thankfully we already have those and Blesta accounts that we will work on switching over to in the near future.
It's one thing to jack up the rates and screw people over that way, however making a lifetime license for a product such as this no longer get updates is quite shady in my books. We will continue to also move all clients and companies we run away from any of their services.
We only have a few Cpanel systems at this point time to move them over to direct admin as well.
Pricing for us would be going up from a few hundred a year to 15k yearly.
While it's not a huge price per customer, once you add in all of the fees for credit card processing, and other panels they all start to add up and reducing those is in the best interest for us. As I bed 1 year from now those fees will increase again as they did with Cpanel.
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As a Developer I believe that paying by amount of customers registered in the system is a nasty price tactic, specially if you are introducing it as a new license tier and force the customer into such subscription.
Blesta would be my choice because of the open source and security track record. Other than that I highly encourage any provider to develop their own customer area and billing system, that always (if done properly) is a good investment. If you ever plan on getting big, it is the only way. You are protected from price increases or sudden new rules. Yeah sure you will have to incur in a greater investment but long term it should pay off.
I really hope @Francisco consider expanding his rising Star (Stallion) into billing.
The only good thing that happened due to WHMCS Price hike for us is we are getting a rush of orders for shared web hosting as well as VPS where clients are ordering along with Free Blesta License, usually we don't get many requests for Blesta License, but now we are getting lots of requests for the same
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If you look at the value generation though, even at the highest tier, the new WHMCS is only like $1k/month. Hiring a dev costs many multiples of that, so I guess this highlights the value generation created by WHMCS. Even for something like Blesta, they are charging like $15/month for something that generates like $10k/month of value for large companies which if you think about it, is a really amazing deal. A piece of software that took countless man hours to develop available for just $15/month... And even cheaper bulk.
Tbh, I think if I was WHMCS, I'd do the same but also lower prices to lower the barrier of entry (e.g. $0.02/customer, starting at $1/month) to base it on value, as more customers mean more value generated.
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I think a lower entry like DA's "mini" plan would definitely be a good idea for WHMCS. Happy I grabbed Blesta Owned Lifetime license a while back, though
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Honestly, I think if you were able to see where their pinch points are in terms of support burden, it will be at this level. AKA too much time being spent on customers paying so little and likely no prospect of increasing profit from that segment.
Can only speak out of my own experience, with the new price levels at my current level, it will cost somewhere between 40-50cents/customer/year.
On a 4/year service, that is a big chunk.
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Fair enough. Some way of catering to sma businesses would still be nice then. Then again, for me, Blesta is technically all I need.
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Catering to small businesses is selective.
For the low end hosting market though, I don't really care what happen to them. Whatever they get, I will say they deserve it. They are the whinest and loudest bunch.
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Another price increase incoming from HostMantis
Wouldn’t surprise me.
I am expecting it, with at least 40 active servers last time I checked, I am fairly sure they will be at least in the $175 tier. They may even be in the $299 tier. They will either increase prices or change the panel.
But they are in the hosting provider bracket I would consider reliant on WHMCS.
Don't get me wrong, great service and what I pay is insignificant even if they do increase but I am getting really tight with money the more time I spend around you folks
Going to be interesting to see how this develops, that is, who stays and who moves.
I noticed they bumped I/O limits recently. Seems to happen whenever they change prices. (HM)
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Something else people need to watch out for is all those vendors giving out "free" blesta licenses that have to be run on their VPS/hosting. Nothing prevents them to start charging for those down the road after many of the low volume resellers migrate to blesta. It will be interesting to see which vendor pulls this trick first
People need to plan long term.
As a reminder BuyVm is one of the best bang for buck providers out there given performance, features, and the plethora of free licenses.
Just working on one last freebie that should really ice things
Francisco
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Unless Blesta changes their arrangement with providers I doubt if any responsible provider would do that
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Blesta should integrate that quotation addon for free to attract more users and billingserv will rock the thing
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What about other expenses for each customer, cPanel and then this, not to forget actual cost of each customer. What about hosts on thin margins ?
cpanel+CloudLinux+mailchannel+jetbackup+ what not + WHMCS
Again, speaking from my own experience.
I could eat the upgrade and still survive.
The only difference is that this isn’t the income that pay my bills.
If mrvm would be my only income, there would have been changes a long time ago.
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I bet WHMCS pricing will further increase sooner or later (just like cPanel). Might move to Blesta some time soon as it's much cheaper and not owned by Oakley Capital. I wonder when Plesk will be switching to a per user model/per domain model, though Plesk isn't really used by many hosts.
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What would have been those changes ?
Higher prices.
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I'm thinking of moving to Hostbill. Any experiences? Is it easy to migrate from WHMCS?
It is best to do a test migration, get a dev license from WHMCS (it's free) as during migration you end up with so many unexpected issues which are different for all providers/users, you won't know what hurdles you will face until you do it yourself
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Well I'm using a lot of modulesgarden plugins plus some payment modules with annual payment which are all included in hostbill.
So I just bought hostbill and will do a test migration
Best of luck, let us know how it goes
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While we are certainly not happy with the increase of cost of WHMCS, that increased cost it is not something we will be passing onto our clients.
Good to hear and thanks for confirming. Like I say, good service so wouldn't have made me move.
Just checked hostbill and it really looks awesome, far more superior then WHMCS, in fact it has all the modules for which most of the providers have been paying to third parties like module garden etc...
Can't really wait to switch to hostbill, but we are in the middle of upgrading all our VPS nodes, hence this will need to wait for a while, but for sure we will be migrating to hostbill
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Not sure what your renewal rate(s) are Lee,
Here is what I saw when I logged in today: Singapore Advanced Shared Plan
First Payment Amount $19.99 USD
Recurring Amount : $262.46 USD
Billing Cycle: Triennially
Next Due Date: 06/06/2022
Not sure what justifies a 12X 13.1 X price increase. (Precision needed, since dealing with a banker here)
WHMCS and cPanel and let me also guess COVID and Global Warming and everything else altogether.... cannot fathom this quantum of increase. Except, they don't wane me as a customer, and I am okay with that. :-)
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Renewal prices can be quite the surprisesurprise at HM😅 For now, I am okay with my renewal rate (reseller basic) but let's see for how long.
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I am guessing here that you may have been on the older plan that was auto bumped to the next more expensive one after they dropped the one you were on. So not only higher renewal but higher tier.
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I was on the smallest reseller plan. That one went from 20 to 200 $ renewal (triennially, so it's still a competitive price compared with other providers of decent quality).
The mid-tier plan did get bumped to a higher-end plan - with renewal price going from about 50 to 150, then to 600 after this year's price hike. Also triennially.
A good example is MXroute, who sold some lifetime deals and they are sticking with those - probably because they were cautious enough to not make that the lifetime sales their main source of income.
HostMantis probably did too many crazy sales, with "lifetime, recurring discounts." They were faced with: deadpool, or go back on their deal and increase prices. I don't like either, but the latter is probably a better option.
I knew the sign-up price was too good to last. I was expecting the quality to go down. And I was wrong. HM business policy is still fluctuating, it's a bit funny. But the hosting quality has remained solid over the past two years (since the signup). If it stays like that, I'll pay the new prices and stay.
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