Oakley Capital agrees sale of WebPros (cPanel, Plesk, WHMCS, SolusVM) to CVC Fund VII

Francisco

Didn't see a post about this.

https://www.reuters.com/article/oakley-capital-webpros-sale/oakley-to-sell-swiss-webhosting-software-maker-webpros-sources-idUSL8N28E5RY

So it looks like they're trying to sell it now that they've used cPanel as a proof-of-concept to spike pricing.

If this goes through we'll see another cPanel price hike within 12 months. I'll bet dinner on that.

Francisco

LeonDynamic

I’m not surprised at all. At that sort of money it will be another private equity firm who themselves will try to drive more money from their investment as you say and we will most likely see more prices rises on the horizon.

Chievo

@Francisco said:
Didn't see a post about this.

https://www.reuters.com/article/oakley-capital-webpros-sale/oakley-to-sell-swiss-webhosting-software-maker-webpros-sources-idUSL8N28E5RY

So it looks like they're trying to sell it now that they've used cPanel as a proof-of-concept to spike pricing.

If this goes through we'll see another cPanel price hike within 12 months. I'll bet dinner on that.

Francisco

It is paid 1.01 for a new price increase. It is question of time to buy DA as well and expand their own pricing into the system. Just question of time.

cybertech

My money's on investment companies

Rahul

$7.

vpsgeek

Just move off everything owned by them

Adam

@Rahul said:
$7.

This is LES $7 is too expensive, I think the new standard should be $5.

Regarding cPanel etc. I would just run for the hills

hostEONS

@Francisco said:
Didn't see a post about this.

https://www.reuters.com/article/oakley-capital-webpros-sale/oakley-to-sell-swiss-webhosting-software-maker-webpros-sources-idUSL8N28E5RY

So it looks like they're trying to sell it now that they've used cPanel as a proof-of-concept to spike pricing.

If this goes through we'll see another cPanel price hike within 12 months. I'll bet dinner on that.

Francisco

If it goes through my bet is on SolusVM Price increase rather then cPanel as cPanel already had a major price increase and now they know that providers will just rant for a while and most of them will just pay the increased price and stick to them

qps

I bet many of the speculated future increases are already planned under the current owners. Or at least, they've included them as "potential margin expansion opportunities" in the presentations they are circulating to potential bidders. Just speculation here, obviously.

Ympker

If you don't have Blesta Owned Lifetime yet, now's the time before any more changes will happen to WHMCS as well.

imok

Plop!

MichaelCee

Would anybody like to loan me a small loan of $1.5 billion dollars?

Ympker

@SmallWeb said:
Would anybody like to loan me a small loan of $1.5 billion dollars?

Do you want fries with that?

MichaelCee

@Ympker said:

@SmallWeb said:
Would anybody like to loan me a small loan of $1.5 billion dollars?

Do you want fries with that?

$0.20/m per additional fry?

MikeA

well fuck me

Amitz

@MikeA said:
well fuck me

For money or for love?

Neoon

@Amitz said:

@MikeA said:
well fuck me

For money or for love?

seriesn

MikeA said: well fuck me

Fuck me sideways!

Francisco

@qps said:
I bet many of the speculated future increases are already planned under the current owners. Or at least, they've included them as "potential margin expansion opportunities" in the presentations they are circulating to potential bidders. Just speculation here, obviously.

Yeah, that's basically what I meant by "proof of concept".

WHMCS & Solus are going to be the main places they can milk.

Francisco

willie

Wonder if they're selling because the cpanel price hike backfired so they don't want it any more.

MikeA

@Francisco said:

@qps said:
I bet many of the speculated future increases are already planned under the current owners. Or at least, they've included them as "potential margin expansion opportunities" in the presentations they are circulating to potential bidders. Just speculation here, obviously.

Yeah, that's basically what I meant by "proof of concept".

WHMCS & Solus are going to be the main places they can milk.

Francisco

I've been thinking about this constantly and it makes me want to migrate to alternatives now just in case, but man, I wonder what's actually happening behind the scenes. Like with Solus.io now. WHMCS is easy to get rid of, but something like SolusVM isn't. I hope it is viable long term, but right now, SolusVM is quite a bit more expensive than alternatives (even Fleio.io) or just running off of some open virtualization platform.

comi

Something roughly resembling SolusVM can be coded in two weeks(tm). So if they do spike their prices I bet something else is going to pop up. The (im)maturity is gonna suck, but still...

MikeA

@comi said:
Something roughly resembling SolusVM can be coded in two weeks(tm). So if they do spike their prices I bet something else is going to pop up. The (im)maturity is gonna suck, but still...

I doubt it, but hopefully, more options is always better.

Francisco

@MikeA said:

@Francisco said:

@qps said:
I bet many of the speculated future increases are already planned under the current owners. Or at least, they've included them as "potential margin expansion opportunities" in the presentations they are circulating to potential bidders. Just speculation here, obviously.

Yeah, that's basically what I meant by "proof of concept".

WHMCS & Solus are going to be the main places they can milk.

Francisco

I've been thinking about this constantly and it makes me want to migrate to alternatives now just in case, but man, I wonder what's actually happening behind the scenes. Like with Solus.io now. WHMCS is easy to get rid of, but something like SolusVM isn't. I hope it is viable long term, but right now, SolusVM is quite a bit more expensive than alternatives (even Fleio.io) or just running off of some open virtualization platform.

You have OpenVZ still, no?

If so, your options are nil. Even Proxmox only supports it on v3 which dates back to before OpenVZ 7 was even in BETA.

Best you can all hope for is that Solus comes in at < $3/month/core or less. I don't see $2.00/m/core happening since then people would just use more E3's and be paying less overall.

Francisco

poisson

Lube alone is insufficient. You bend over as well with legs wide open too.

Rahul

@Adam said:

@Rahul said:
$7.

This is LES $7 is too expensive, I think the new standard should be $5.

Regarding cPanel etc. I would just run for the hills

$7 included

poisson said: Lube

So

poisson said: sufficient

MikeA

@Francisco said:
You have OpenVZ still, no?

If so, your options are nil. Even Proxmox only supports it on v3 which dates back to before OpenVZ 7 was even in BETA.

Best you can all hope for is that Solus comes in at < $3/month/core or less. I don't see $2.00/m/core happening since then people would just use more E3's and be paying less overall.

Francisco

I'm almost certainly going to just get rid of OpenVZ sometime soon. I don't want to move clients to VZ7 really, I'd rather push people to use KVM and make things easier in the future. Just waiting for new hardware.

Rahul

@poisson said:
Lube alone is insufficient. You bend over as well with legs wide open too.

Like

Amitz

Seriously, has anyone here ever tried exposing the butthole to the sun for some time like above? Does it really bring any benefit? My way of living would allow me to do that without shocking third parties. Maybe I should try.

Sun - be prepared for my cornholio!

vpsgeek

@Francisco said:

@MikeA said:

@Francisco said:

@qps said:
I bet many of the speculated future increases are already planned under the current owners. Or at least, they've included them as "potential margin expansion opportunities" in the presentations they are circulating to potential bidders. Just speculation here, obviously.

Yeah, that's basically what I meant by "proof of concept".

WHMCS & Solus are going to be the main places they can milk.

Francisco

I've been thinking about this constantly and it makes me want to migrate to alternatives now just in case, but man, I wonder what's actually happening behind the scenes. Like with Solus.io now. WHMCS is easy to get rid of, but something like SolusVM isn't. I hope it is viable long term, but right now, SolusVM is quite a bit more expensive than alternatives (even Fleio.io) or just running off of some open virtualization platform.

You have OpenVZ still, no?

If so, your options are nil. Even Proxmox only supports it on v3 which dates back to before OpenVZ 7 was even in BETA.

Best you can all hope for is that Solus comes in at < $3/month/core or less. I don't see $2.00/m/core happening since then people would just use more E3's and be paying less overall.

Francisco

Dear Fran don't you think Virtualizor is a good enough replacement for SolusVM? It seems to have much more features & many respectable providers seem to be using it without any issues. What does it lack?

MikeA

@vpsgeek said:
Dear Fran don't you think Virtualizor is a good enough replacement for SolusVM? It seems to have much more features & many respectable providers seem to be using it without any issues. What does it lack?

I've seen so many people complain about bugs in the past, but maybe it works great now days. At least Virtualizor has a good size team working on it instead of one or two people.

Maybe I'll have to setup a server to test it on, I haven't used it in years.

Francisco

vpsgeek said: Dear Fran don't you think Virtualizor is a good enough replacement for SolusVM?

Honest to god opinion? No, at least in my eyes.

Virtualizor does some completly wacky things in how they built their system. Its really really really easy for nodes to become out of sync because they try to run a multi-master like setup.

There's plenty of massive bugs and it seems that they don't do proper version control since sometimes bugs will return. The interface really harsh on the eyes and its just extremely buggy. I know this first hand since I helped a friend rebuild nodes a while back.

More features means nothing if things are a complete mess and it's questionable if it's going to even work. Hate on Solus for being unmaintained, but from what I've seen it isn't catching fire or causing plenty of headaches.

Francisco

WSS

@Amitz said:
Seriously, has anyone here ever tried exposing the butthole to the sun for some time like above?

In Germany, this is generally known as an introduction.

Amitz

I knew I always did it wrong!

joepie91

@comi said:
Something roughly resembling SolusVM can be coded in two weeks(tm). So if they do spike their prices I bet something else is going to pop up. The (im)maturity is gonna suck, but still...

You're being a little optimistic there, I think. If you only consider the customer-facing side, then maybe, and it'd still be very questionable security-wise and buggy, it'd assume that the provider will be doing all the management tasks outside of the panel, it won't have billing integration, and so on.

A provider who wants to provide reliable services is more likely to just eat the cost for a while until they can figure a production-tested replacement, than to haphazardly roll their own on top of the work they're already doing supporting customers.

seriesn

https://www.reddit.com/r/webhosting/comments/e8i0f4/warning_to_all_siteground_users_they_are_getting/

Interesting. I guess this just the beginning. Wonder what will happen to the profit once big boys starts dropping?

comi

@joepie91 said:

@comi said:
Something roughly resembling SolusVM can be coded in two weeks(tm). So if they do spike their prices I bet something else is going to pop up. The (im)maturity is gonna suck, but still...

You're being a little optimistic there, I think. If you only consider the customer-facing side, then maybe, and it'd still be very questionable security-wise and buggy, it'd assume that the provider will be doing all the management tasks outside of the panel, it won't have billing integration, and so on.

A provider who wants to provide reliable services is more likely to just eat the cost for a while until they can figure a production-tested replacement, than to haphazardly roll their own on top of the work they're already doing supporting customers.

I am being optimistic, yes, but just a little. Just to be clear "coded in two weeks" is sort of a meme.
SolusVM is a lot of work, but none of it is rocket science. If they jack up their prices suddenly there is a point for someone else to do this work and since it's not rocket science a lot of people are capable of doing it.

Questionable security and bugs (immaturity) is going to be a problem, I totally agree.

And I don't mean every provider is gonna do it by themselves, I mean some substitute will come to prominence.

mmuyskens

Too soon to start a group purchase?

https://www.amazon.com/Passion-Lubes-Natural-Water-Based-Lubricant/dp/B005MR3IVO

Francisco

@mmuyskens said:
Too soon to start a group purchase?

https://www.amazon.com/Passion-Lubes-Natural-Water-Based-Lubricant/dp/B005MR3IVO

I'm so confused about the girls in there.

comi said: SolusVM is a lot of work

Solus has a lot of features that no one uses. I don't know a single customer that uses the PXE system for instance. Infact almost no host that's renting servers is going to be able to use that since the packets are likely getting dropped.

I think the bigger issue is for people to trust a new person/group and believe that they're going to stick it out. Solus was born in the days of HyperVM, we're talking well over 10 years of market experience. It's going to be hard for some random person/group to launch a panel that's locked down (ioncube, zend, etc) and get much traction.

Francisco

mmuyskens

@Francisco said:

@mmuyskens said:
Too soon to start a group purchase?

https://www.amazon.com/Passion-Lubes-Natural-Water-Based-Lubricant/dp/B005MR3IVO

I'm so confused about the girls in there.

Assuming at that price, they are included for the night.

corey

@seriesn said:
https://www.reddit.com/r/webhosting/comments/e8i0f4/warning_to_all_siteground_users_they_are_getting/

Interesting. I guess this just the beginning. Wonder what will happen to the profit once big boys starts dropping?

Everyone on that thread ... /smh
I'm leaving you because you don't have CPanel anymore... wahhh wahhh wahhh. Yet FTP and Phpmyadmin are still there to solve all of their complaints.

comi

@mmuyskens said:
Too soon to start a group purchase?

https://www.amazon.com/Passion-Lubes-Natural-Water-Based-Lubricant/dp/B005MR3IVO

"Lube pump included" ... ............................ nuf said!

Francisco said: I think the bigger issue is for people to trust a new person/group

True. But the higher price for Solus grows, the more incentive to try.

Francisco

comi said: But the higher price for Solus grows, the more incentive to try.

Right, there's always a breaking point.

I know @smarthost has given his opinion of 'fuck that noise' on any sort of per-core pricing, as has @MikeA, but what is your break point? Any cost more than $1/month/core?

Francisco

Francisco

https://www.cvc.com/media/press-releases/2019/oakley-capital-agrees-sale-webpros-cvc-fund-vii-follow-on-investment

She's dead Jim.

@AnthonySmith can I get my main post & title edited?

Francisco

MikePT

@Francisco said:
https://www.cvc.com/media/press-releases/2019/oakley-capital-agrees-sale-webpros-cvc-fund-vii-follow-on-investment

She's dead Jim.

@AnthonySmith can I get my main post & title edited?

Francisco

Holy shit.

MichaelCee

Hey, memba when automation became this hip cool new thing that saved you so much money and stress? BYE BYE!

vpsgeek

@Francisco said:
https://www.cvc.com/media/press-releases/2019/oakley-capital-agrees-sale-webpros-cvc-fund-vii-follow-on-investment

She's dead Jim.

@AnthonySmith can I get my main post & title edited?

Francisco

Expect another price hike for WHMCS within next 6 to 12 months
Solus.io pricing is also force loads of budget vps providers to migrate to stuff like Virtualizor or vmManager

Francisco

@vpsgeek said:

@Francisco said:
https://www.cvc.com/media/press-releases/2019/oakley-capital-agrees-sale-webpros-cvc-fund-vii-follow-on-investment

She's dead Jim.

@AnthonySmith can I get my main post & title edited?

Francisco

Expect another price hike for WHMCS within next 6 to 12 months
Solus.io pricing is also force loads of budget vps providers to migrate to stuff like Virtualizor or vmManager

Yikes.

Francisco

willie

So what are the fallbacks? cpanel -> directadmin, does anyone miss cpanel? whmcs -> blesta, same? What about solus: is it time for stallion world dimunition domination? Anything else?

mmuyskens

Guess this is great news for Blesta....

lazyt

Start programming folks.