Server Advice

deepak_leb

Hey peeps,

Hope all are in good shape.

Well, am from India. Looking forward host a community site.
The main visitors are from India.

So, just wondering off what would be the ideal location of server for serving Indian(90%) & Asian Users(10%).

DO or Linode Indian DC or just any other location that fits my needs ?

Specs in need,
KVM
1 or 2core,
1GB Ram,
15GiGs SSD,
1TB,
1ipv4 + 1ipv6
Yearly price - max of 45$ ( which ever is lesser)
Scable option would be great if available.
Strictly for Production use.

Note : yes, I do have a budget Constraint? so lower price would be better

What should I do ?
Need a good peering with Indian providers will be necessary.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.??

AK_KWH

@deepak_leb
Hi we can do in 45$ for a year if you are willing and also we will provider server Management panel Alternative to serveravatar you can deploy multiple domains within single VPS

Server Locations (Phoniex,France,Germany)
2 vCore,
2GB Ram
30 GiGs SSD, (NVME in Germany)
2TB in Phoniex (unlimited in germany )
1ipv4 + 1ipv6

seriesn

What's up brother, would singapore work?

deepak_leb

@AK_KWH said:
@deepak_leb
Hi we can do in 45$ for a year if you are willing along we will provider server Management panel Alternative to serveravatar you can deploy multiple domains within single VPS

Server Locations (Phoniex,France,Germany)
2 vCore,
2GB Ram
30 GiGs SSD, (NVME in Germany)
2TB in Phoniex (unlimited in germany )
1ipv4 + 1ipv6

Boss, I appreciate your deal. But the fact is, am looking for a better peering with Indian providers so am stepping me out. ?

Please clarify me ?.

deepak_leb

@seriesn said:
What's up brother, would singapore work?

I believe I can take that into consideration.

SG also very near to India.

But someone clarify me, is do really location of DC matters ?

Within India or Near to India ?

?

AC_Fan

MaxKVM SKVM-1G: 29 USD yearly
NexusBytes APAC-VPS-1G: 38.4 USD yearly

Abdullah

As u say 90% is Indian traffic, the base plan from @ReadyDedis in Mumbai DC will work nice, fits your budget.
Singapore is a good option too, bt way less local peering.

deepak_leb

@Abdullah said:
As u say 90% is Indian traffic, the base plan from @ReadyDedis in Mumbai DC will work nice, fits your budget.
Singapore is a good option too, bt way less local peering.

Do the Users will see any performance drops while using Europe locations ?

I mean in terms of speed ? Or in response time ? ??

AK_KWH

@deepak_leb said:

@AK_KWH said:
@deepak_leb
Hi we can do in 45$ for a year if you are willing along we will provider server Management panel Alternative to serveravatar you can deploy multiple domains within single VPS

Server Locations (Phoniex,France,Germany)
2 vCore,
2GB Ram
30 GiGs SSD, (NVME in Germany)
2TB in Phoenix (unlimited in germany )
1ipv4 + 1ipv6

Boss, I appreciate your deal. But the fact is, am looking for a better peering with Indian providers so am stepping me out. ?

Please clarify me ?.

we are your neighbors b/w
@ReadyDedis is ur country fellow then i think he had indian location too

nullnothere

@deepak_leb said: see any performance drops while using Europe locations

For a typical forum site (like LES for e.g.) this shouldn't matter at all. It will ideally be content driven, where the human content processing time should be far greater than internet content delivery time (otherwise you have bigger issues to worry about!).

Putting it behind Cloudflare will give you some latency/caching improvements.

So I would say focus more on the quality of hosting (and pricing constraints) and don't worry too much about the actual location of the server.

deepak_leb

@AK_KWH said:

@deepak_leb said:

@AK_KWH said:
@deepak_leb
Hi we can do in 45$ for a year if you are willing along we will provider server Management panel Alternative to serveravatar you can deploy multiple domains within single VPS

Server Locations (Phoniex,France,Germany)
2 vCore,
2GB Ram
30 GiGs SSD, (NVME in Germany)
2TB in Phoenix (unlimited in germany )
1ipv4 + 1ipv6

Boss, I appreciate your deal. But the fact is, am looking for a better peering with Indian providers so am stepping me out. ?

Please clarify me ?.

we are your neighbors b/w
@ReadyDedis is ur country fellow then i think he had indian location too

I respect you all people ?.

It's just that am cancelling all my idle servers due to strict budget.

Hard hitten by pandemic.

So am looking for a perfect & under budget one.

deepak_leb

@nullnothere said:

@deepak_leb said: see any performance drops while using Europe locations

For a typical forum site (like LES for e.g.) this shouldn't matter at all. It will ideally be content driven, where the human content processing time should be far greater than internet content delivery time (otherwise you have bigger issues to worry about!).

Putting it behind Cloudflare will give you some latency/caching improvements.

So I would say focus more on the quality of hosting (and pricing constraints) and don't worry too much about the actual location of the server.

Noted boss. ?

Abdullah

@nullnothere said:

@deepak_leb said: see any performance drops while using Europe locations

For a typical forum site (like LES for e.g.) this shouldn't matter at all. It will ideally be content driven, where the human content processing time should be far greater than internet content delivery time (otherwise you have bigger issues to worry about!).

Putting it behind Cloudflare will give you some latency/caching improvements.

So I would say focus more on the quality of hosting (and pricing constraints) and don't worry too much about the actual location of the server.

? He is actually correct, as long it is just a forum/something similar, somewhere in Europe should be good to use & fit your budget.
Local peering is needed if you are hosting some video/image based product.
I say you should go with the best specs & quality you get.
Ping < 200 should be okay for India

deepak_leb

@Abdullah said:

@nullnothere said:

@deepak_leb said: see any performance drops while using Europe locations

For a typical forum site (like LES for e.g.) this shouldn't matter at all. It will ideally be content driven, where the human content processing time should be far greater than internet content delivery time (otherwise you have bigger issues to worry about!).

Putting it behind Cloudflare will give you some latency/caching improvements.

So I would say focus more on the quality of hosting (and pricing constraints) and don't worry too much about the actual location of the server.

? He is actually correct, as long it is just a forum/something similar, somewhere in Europe should be good to use & fit your budget.
Local peering is needed if you are hosting some video/image based product.
I say you should go with the best specs & quality you get.
Ping < 200 should be okay for India

Thank you for clearing up.

nullnothere

@Abdullah said: I say you should go with the best specs & quality you get.

And just to add, EU is going to be much cheaper in the sense that you are likely to get much better resources/bandwidth/quality for a given price. SG is expensive due to bandwidth costs (and India is even worse on that scale). So I strongly recommend trying to find a good provider/service in the EU to get started. You can always rethink things once you're up and running and get better data points on the usage and resource requirements.

deepak_leb

@nullnothere said:

@Abdullah said: I say you should go with the best specs & quality you get.

And just to add, EU is going to be much cheaper in the sense that you are likely to get much better resources/bandwidth/quality for a given price. SG is expensive due to bandwidth costs (and India is even worse on that scale). So I strongly recommend trying to find a good provider/service in the EU to get started. You can always rethink things once you're up and running and get better data points on the usage and resource requirements.

Ryzen hunt season starts up then?

seriesn

@deepak_leb said:

@nullnothere said:

@Abdullah said: I say you should go with the best specs & quality you get.

And just to add, EU is going to be much cheaper in the sense that you are likely to get much better resources/bandwidth/quality for a given price. SG is expensive due to bandwidth costs (and India is even worse on that scale). So I strongly recommend trying to find a good provider/service in the EU to get started. You can always rethink things once you're up and running and get better data points on the usage and resource requirements.

Ryzen hunt season starts up then?

Germany is pretty decent to india. To be quiet honest, a second or 3 wouldn't really matter much. Now Ryzen you said? Hmm. Hmmm.

Hey you

deepak_leb

@seriesn said:

@deepak_leb said:

@nullnothere said:

@Abdullah said: I say you should go with the best specs & quality you get.

And just to add, EU is going to be much cheaper in the sense that you are likely to get much better resources/bandwidth/quality for a given price. SG is expensive due to bandwidth costs (and India is even worse on that scale). So I strongly recommend trying to find a good provider/service in the EU to get started. You can always rethink things once you're up and running and get better data points on the usage and resource requirements.

Ryzen hunt season starts up then?

Germany is pretty decent to india. To be quiet honest, a second or 3 wouldn't really matter much. Now Ryzen you said? Hmm. Hmmm.

Hey you

You're such a sweetpie

someshzade

Here we have something special with Asia Optimised IPs - https://talk.lowendspirit.com/discussion/1629/2-gb-ram-30-gb-ssd-1000-gb-bandwidth-usa-asia-optimized-network-4-m#latest

havoc

I'd venture that you overestimate the importance of local peering, especially in the early stages of a forum life. A good atmosphere is way more important. I mean look at this forum...don't even know where the hell it's hosted or what the latency is.

Grab a bunch of lookingglass IPs, find something solid and roll with that.

I'd also have a good look at sticking a CDN in front of it...that can mitigate some of the perceived latency effects.

And do make arrangements for backup. As much as I love the local crew they are not quite in DO league

vyas

Do you really want to start with a VPS? Tad overkill till the site gathers some traffic?

What is the community site About?
Blog/forum/membership portal yada yada
What CMS do you plan to use?

@nullnothere said:
It will ideally be content driven, where the human content processing time should be far greater than internet content delivery time (otherwise you have bigger issues to worry about!).

very true!

deepak_leb

@vyas said:
Do you really want to start with a VPS? Tad overkill till the site gathers some traffic?

What is the community site About?
Blog/forum/membership portal yada yada
What CMS do you plan to use?

@nullnothere said:
It will ideally be content driven, where the human content processing time should be far greater than internet content delivery time (otherwise you have bigger issues to worry about!).

very true!

Ghost CMS

deepak_leb

@havoc said:
I'd venture that you overestimate the importance of local peering, especially in the early stages of a forum life. A good atmosphere is way more important. I mean look at this forum...don't even know where the hell it's hosted or what the latency is.

Grab a bunch of lookingglass IPs, find something solid and roll with that.

I'd also have a good look at sticking a CDN in front of it...that can mitigate some of the perceived latency effects.

And do make arrangements for backup. As much as I love the local crew they are not quite in DO league

Got it, sire

vyas

@deepak_leb said:

@vyas said:
Do you really want to start with a VPS? Tad overkill till the site gathers some traffic?

What is the community site About?
Blog/forum/membership portal yada yada
What CMS do you plan to use?

@nullnothere said:
It will ideally be content driven, where the human content processing time should be far greater than internet content delivery time (otherwise you have bigger issues to worry about!).

very true!

Ghost CMS

Start with a one year/ free Google Cloud + Ghost Image. Let it build up, then move to something more long term

deepak_leb

@vyas said:

@deepak_leb said:

@vyas said:
Do you really want to start with a VPS? Tad overkill till the site gathers some traffic?

What is the community site About?
Blog/forum/membership portal yada yada
What CMS do you plan to use?

@nullnothere said:
It will ideally be content driven, where the human content processing time should be far greater than internet content delivery time (otherwise you have bigger issues to worry about!).

very true!

Ghost CMS

Start with a one year/ free Google Cloud + Ghost Image. Let it build up, then move to something more long term

That's a good one.

Rahul

Take into account that sometimes Routing

@deepak_leb said: Within India

Can include a road trip along the country, that will make look SG sweeter.

For example,

I have experienced packets going to Chennai ( Which is in another nearby state) when the destination is a DC ( Aride Ocean ) 8 Kilometre's away from me.

@deepak_leb said: SG also very near to India.

Yes, but in the case of SG too, There were instances of North America being a sort of pit stop.

It's stable most of the time when it's

@Abdullah said: somewhere in Europe

@Abdullah said: Ping < 200 should be okay for India

India to most of Europe about 160 ms but mostly less than 200 most of the time as you mentioned.

@deepak_leb Are you okay with Directadmin based shared hosting ?

Not_Oles

@Rahul said: It's stable most of the time when it's

@Abdullah said: somewhere in Europe

So this means that if my friend @tom got an Epyc at Hetzner, then he might be successful selling VPSes to folks in India?

vyas

@Rahul said:

@deepak_leb Are you okay with Directadmin based shared hosting ?

he is planning ot use Ghost CMS.

ReadyDedis

@deepak_leb said:

Well, bandwidth is a tough spot, but the rest of the stuff can be accommodated. Let me know if you're interested.

I cannot guarantee ipv6 yet if you don't mind. This will be rolled out at a later date.

Rahul

@Not_Oles said:

@Rahul said: It's stable most of the time when it's

@Abdullah said: somewhere in Europe

So this means that if my friend @tom got an Epyc at Hetzner, then he might be successful selling VPSes to folks in India?

It's true that Hetzner provides more bang for your buck via their auction. But

@Not_Oles said: folks in India

Have a sweet tooth for OVH since they offer DDoS mitigation as standard with no additional cost.

So, if you happen to be on the receiving end of such incidents frequently, Hetzner might pull the plug on you.

Another reason to take into account is market saturation,

We now have many providers even within India that make use of OVH like @HappyBee for example that offer VPS with dedicated ipv4 for less than $2 a month.

@vyas said: he is planning ot use Ghost CMS.

Is it not possible in the case of shared hosting with ssh access ?

vyas

@Rahul
possible indeed, but easier with VPS. Not all shared hosting providers might provide SSH access.

simonindia

IMO go with a server from server.it which costs less than 2$ a month for the specs it provides (1Core / 2GB RAM/ 20GB SSD) if you plan to use a CDN like cloudflare or BunnyCDN. But if you prefer a Indian location go with AWS Lightsail (1Core/ 512M RAM/ 20 GB SSD) which is 3.50 a month.

but I would strongly recommend you to take a look at the this ( https://cloudjiffy.com/pricing ) As with your budget, Location and Scaling needs this would be the best candidate. @leapswitch

There is also usual suspects like

DO
Redidedi
Leapswitch
Aliyun

Abdullah

Can live off the various cloud free-tiers for upto 3 years or even more, GCP, aws, oracle, alibaba cloud, etc.
But I won't recommend that.

BlaZe

Honestly speaking, either get a VPS in India (DO - Bangalore) or even Singapore would do.

I get 70-80ms to Singapore servers when I play Multiplayer games on them. So, your visitors should be fine with it. You can even try Vultr Singapore VPS as I have been using them since 2017 and just cancelled my 3-year-old VPS with them as my client's project is complete.

In 3 years, there was no sudden or unexpected downtimes, just 2 of them when they were carrying out some planned maintenance and the downtime lasted for less than 5 minutes. So that eliminated my headache of explaining the client regarding any possible major downtimes as there were none.

So, yeah Vultr would be great though I think they do not have direct peering with any Indian bandwidth providers (correct me if I'm wrong).

Their $5/mo VPS has 1 CPU, 1GB RAM & 15GB SSD with 1TB data transfer, should be enough for a starting community. If you'd like to have $100 as a credit in Vultr then you can use my referral/affiliate code: https://www.vultr.com/?ref=8526391-6G
The $100 credit will expire in 30 days though if you do not use it.

hosterlabs

Hello,

I have Canadian based VPS starting at 2.99
Check them out: https://hosterlabs.net/panel/cart.php?gid=23

Might not be the best location and ping might be excessive, but the prices are good. If you are looking for something budget-constrained you can try It out.

Regards!

cybertech

with CDN like cloudflare, popular locations would work well enough. YMMV.

anything less than 200ms is adequate for community use.

more importantly is available CPU (higher freq), DDR4 Ram, SSD and above for user experience.

the rest will be optimizing it using caching etc.

Rahul

@vyas said: Not all shared hosting providers might provide SSH access.

@seriesn certainly does this according to their signature. Just tagging @SmallWeb @MikePT

@vyas said: but easier with VPS

Not sure about that, as you don't have to worry about securing the actual server while using Shared Hosting from a provider. Plus you get DA as control panel, so easy backups etc too. Win win ?

vyas

@Rahul said:

@vyas said: Not all shared hosting providers might provide SSH access.

@seriesn certainly does this according to their signature. Just tagging @SmallWeb @MikePT

@vyas said: but easier with VPS

Not sure about that, as you don't have to worry about securing the actual server while using Shared Hosting from a provider. Plus you get DA as control panel, so easy backups etc too. Win win ?

Yup, pros and cons to both.

vimalware

Grab the usd $36/yr hostus Ryzen 3900x limited offer. 1gb ram, 750GB transfer

Why compromise when the offer is still alive...

For South India, I can find no good reason to pick Mumbai. (everything gets congested at 8pm local) SGP is great.

vimalware

@vimalware said:
Grab the usd $36/yr hostus Ryzen 3900x limited offer. 1gb ram, 750GB transfer

Can't seem to edit. Link to offer :
https://talk.lowendspirit.com/discussion/1406/hostus-kvm-launch-in-singapore-ryzen-nvme-and-more

deepak_leb

@Rahul said:
Take into account that sometimes Routing

@deepak_leb said: Within India

Can include a road trip along the country, that will make look SG sweeter.

For example,

I have experienced packets going to Chennai ( Which is in another nearby state) when the destination is a DC ( Aride Ocean ) 8 Kilometre's away from me.

@deepak_leb said: SG also very near to India.

Yes, but in the case of SG too, There were instances of North America being a sort of pit stop.

It's stable most of the time when it's

@Abdullah said: somewhere in Europe

@Abdullah said: Ping < 200 should be okay for India

India to most of Europe about 160 ms but mostly less than 200 most of the time as you mentioned.

@deepak_leb Are you okay with Directadmin based shared hosting ?

Vps would be good sire, if it was scalable bcz I may use mail + ghost CMS + VPN

deepak_leb

Thank you all, for your suggestions.

Well, I believe some one should start Only Ipv6 Indian DC vps. This may gain some traction for Asian users. ??

deepak_leb

@ReadyDedis @hostus @MaxKVM

India, SG & SG.

Any deals ?

Since @vimalware.

Any above providers with least latency ?

chocolateshirt

@deepak_leb said:
@ReadyDedis @hostus @MaxKVM

India, SG & SG.

Any deals ?

Since @vimalware.

Any above providers with least latency ?

MaxKVM - https://talk.lowendspirit.com/discussion/1585/maxkvm-has-landed-in-singapore/p1

HostUS - https://talk.lowendspirit.com/discussion/comment/37660#Comment_37660

ReadyDedis - https://talk.lowendspirit.com/discussion/1547/readydedis-llc-affordable-kvm-ssd-vps-w-free-directadmin-softaculous/p1

deepak_leb

On maxmind I can't find the Singapore on location column ? @chocolateshirt

vimalware

@deepak_leb said:
On maxmind I can't find the Singapore on location column ? @chocolateshirt

I assume you meants MaxKVM. They're most likely out of stock.

I know that HostUS has just restocked Singapore.
Solid network so far. I am using it as 24/7 wireguard node.

I think you would need at least the $36/yr 1GB plan for Ghost.
Else run GRAV cms on even the entry 512mb instance?

deepak_leb

Got a snappy SG vps from maxkvm. @vimalware @chocolateshirt

Will try noted hosts on future.

Will count on you for APAC location @seriesn

Thanx peeps.

MaxKVM

@deepak_leb said:
Got a snappy SG vps from maxkvm. @vimalware @chocolateshirt

Will try noted hosts on future.

Will count on you for APAC location @seriesn

Thanx peeps.

Fun to read all of this after your PM.

SG might be available to people who send a PM. Thanks for all the shoutouts in this thread!

seriesn

@deepak_leb said:
Got a snappy SG vps from maxkvm. @vimalware @chocolateshirt

Will try noted hosts on future.

Will count on you for APAC location @seriesn

Thanx peeps.

Prem .

Rahul

For

@deepak_leb said: I may use mail

How about something like mxroute ( recently offered deal by @Abdullah , maybe ? ) or MailChannels, for peace of mind ?

vyas

@MaxKVM said:

SG might be available to people who send a PM.