HotlineServers.com Review

Hotlineservers's 55% off recurring deal last month caught my eye, so I decided to write a review on it.

Check it out at my blog: https://blog.unixfy.net/hotlineservers-benchmark-review/

Let me know what you think!

Comments

  • I too have the 8GB and very satisfied.
    Mine in Montreal.
    But the better question is will they survive the long run.
    I'm going to keep my VPS and use it but with backup

  • MichaelCeeMichaelCee ModeratorProviderOG Cymru

    Nice blog and nice review :)

  • @Unixfy said:
    Hotlineservers's 55% off recurring deal last month caught my eye, so I decided to write a review on it.

    Check it out at my blog: https://blog.unixfy.net/hotlineservers-benchmark-review/

    Let me know what you think!

    Thank you for your honest review.

  • It's really a hard offer to pass up. Even with my previous reservations I've picked one up and will be doing some testing soon.

    Nice blog. I would review a bit differently though. Supposedly those are dedicated cores which isn't mentioned in your review. Additionally a more thorough network test of routing is always appreciated and in my experienced missing from most reviews. For example via their looking glass I found their Dallas site had several hops less and lower pings from multiple locations vs other providers I'd tested. Which caught my attention.

    I'm also somewhat picky about the peering finding he.net, level3 (uncommon in the "low end" space), ntt route better for udp type services then say cogent. But only after running a traceroute from multiple locations would you be able to establish that.

    For future reviews you might want to incorporate that type of data to differentiate your blog. But that's just my opinion I liked your review a lot and it did Get me excited to test out the setup soon.

  • @sureiam said: Supposedly those are dedicated cores which isn't mentioned in your review

    Good catch. I've updated the post to reflect this.

    @sureiam said: Additionally a more thorough network test of routing is always appreciated and in my experienced missing from most reviews. For example via their looking glass I found their Dallas site had several hops less and lower pings from multiple locations vs other providers I'd tested. Which caught my attention.

    I'm also somewhat picky about the peering finding he.net, level3 (uncommon in the "low end" space), ntt route better for udp type services then say cogent. But only after running a traceroute from multiple locations would you be able to establish that.

    I will consider doing this.. I thought about it earlier. Perhaps traceroutes to a set of specified locations - maybe 1.1.1.1, 8.8.8.8, and my ASN or something. Would that be good?
    As for testing multiple locations, I wouldn't want to do this because the review is for the VPS, not the provider overall.

    Thanks for your input :)

  • Curious how those are dedicated threads? There are only 20 threads on that processor so if they are dedicated then the total revenue on that server is less than $35.

    Abby @ bloom.host | Gaming-Grade Virtual Dedicated and Virtual Private Servers | DDoS protection | Ryzen 3950X Dedicated CPU $2.75/GB

  • @BloomVPS said:
    Curious how those are dedicated threads? There are only 20 threads on that processor so if they are dedicated then the total revenue on that server is less than $35.

    I'm sure the provider could go into more detail but here's my analysis at least.

    That's actually dual CPU so 40 threads. They ran a promo with limited number of dedicated 2core, 4core (thread) options with really minimal pricing between. The 4core option sold out fast so they probably only provisioned very few of those and were more meant to catch the eye. The 2core was my guess more plentiful and only about $1 less at $5ish a month. The promo is also for now at least over and they've gained a ton of traction from it.

    But I agree it's margin razor thin for sure

  • @sureiam said:

    @BloomVPS said:
    Curious how those are dedicated threads? There are only 20 threads on that processor so if they are dedicated then the total revenue on that server is less than $35.

    I'm sure the provider could go into more detail but here's my analysis at least.

    That's actually dual CPU so 40 threads. They ran a promo with limited number of dedicated 2core, 4core (thread) options with really minimal pricing between. The 4core option sold out fast so they probably only provisioned very few of those and were more meant to catch the eye. The 2core was my guess more plentiful and only about $1 less at $5ish a month. The promo is also for now at least over and they've gained a ton of traction from it.

    But I agree it's margin razor thin for sure

    Ah the double CPU definitely makes it less shocking but agreed margins must be thin.

    Abby @ bloom.host | Gaming-Grade Virtual Dedicated and Virtual Private Servers | DDoS protection | Ryzen 3950X Dedicated CPU $2.75/GB

  • Not_OlesNot_Oles Provider

    @Unixfy said: Let me know what you think!

    As a native English speaker, it amazes me how much work non-native English speakers do to get along in English! I've tried to learn a bit of French, Spanish, and Chinese. It just blows me over to imagine what I would have to do to set up a website in any of these three which I know a little bit or any other non-English languages.

    The thought crossed my mind to ask Hotlineservers if they wanted a little help with their English.

    I like your blog and your personal website, Alex! There is a sense of design which is not overdone. Your English is pretty good, too! :)

    Do you know wenyanwen and guwen? Whenever I try to learn a character and understand its etymology, I get all confused. :) Luckily, I forget everything by the next morning. :)

    Someday maybe somebody will explain to me why it was considered okay to simplify "love" by removing "heart." I appreciate that more people (but not me) can read when the characters are simpler, but removing the "heart" from "love" seems a bit too much. :)

    Best wishes from Mexico!

  • @Not_Oles said: I like your blog and your personal website, Alex! There is a sense of design which is not overdone. Your English is pretty good, too!

    Thank you very much! I have been speaking English for a long time (since I was quite young) so that's why :)

    @Not_Oles said: Do you know wenyanwen and guwen? Whenever I try to learn a character and understand its etymology, I get all confused. Luckily, I forget everything by the next morning.

    Unfortunately my Chinese is not good, I can't read or write it (apart from basics like 1-10). :(

    Thank you for your comment :heart:

  • Im on the same boat with OP.

    Love the service, only had to contact them once tho, to get the free DA. Really nice perk. Got the 8GB one with the promotion. Cant complain at all at that price.

    Now to the English part, Ive received a few emails from them (about the Miami node) and to be fair, you can understand what they want to say but the wording and spell checking wouldnt hurt either :)

    I'm the 85%. Also Elon likes memes hence he's an idiot.

  • Nice and clean review.

    Well done.

    "The imitator dooms himself to hopeless mediocrity." — Ralph Waldo Emerson

  • @Unixfy bench all the locations please. Especially the Europe and Ryzen ones for comparison.

    Perhaps @hotlineservers can sponsor you, or just think of it as an investment for your blog :smile:

  • I have Montreal, so if you need can give temp access. ?

  • @bibble said: Perhaps @hotlineservers can sponsor you, or just think of it as an investment for your blog

    Good idea - I'll ask Hotlineservers :)

    @Iroshan464 said: I have Montreal, so if you need can give temp access. ?

    Sent you a PM. Thanks very much!

  • vyasvyas OG
    edited July 2020

    @Unixfy said:

    Good idea - I'll ask Hotlineservers :)

    See what you started... ? :-)

  • OujiOuji OG
    edited July 2020

    I can provide a bench for the Miami Ryzen server, just let me know. I think one can also be found in the dedicated benchmark threads.

    EDIT: Here it goes.

    YABS

    # ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## #
    #              Yet-Another-Bench-Script              #
    #                     v2020-02-10                    #
    # https://github.com/masonr/yet-another-bench-script #
    # ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## #
    
    Mon 08 Jun 2020 08:06:55 PM EDT
    
    Basic System Information:
    ---------------------------------
    Processor  : AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 12-Core Processor
    CPU cores  : 4 @ 3792.874 MHz
    AES-NI     : ✔ Enabled
    VM-x/AMD-V : ✔ Enabled
    RAM        : 7.7Gi
    Swap       : 1.0Gi
    Disk       : 157G
    
    fio Disk Speed Tests (Mixed R/W 50/50):
    ---------------------------------
    Block Size | 4kb           (IOPS) | 64kb          (IOPS)
      ------   | ---            ----  | ----           ---- 
    Read       | 361.03 MB/s  (90.2k) | 2.19 GB/s    (34.2k)
    Write      | 361.99 MB/s  (90.4k) | 2.20 GB/s    (34.4k)
    Total      | 723.03 MB/s (180.7k) | 4.39 GB/s    (68.6k)
               |                      |                     
    Block Size | 512kb         (IOPS) | 1mb           (IOPS)
      ------   | -----          ----  | ---            ---- 
    Read       | 1.05 GB/s     (2.0k) | 906.86 MB/s    (885)
    Write      | 1.11 GB/s     (2.1k) | 967.26 MB/s    (944)
    Total      | 2.16 GB/s     (4.2k) | 1.87 GB/s     (1.8k)
    
    iperf3 Network Speed Tests (IPv4):
    ---------------------------------
    Provider                  | Location (Link)           | Send Speed      | Recv Speed     
                              |                           |                 |                
    Bouygues Telecom          | Paris, FR (10G)           | 839 Mbits/sec   | 1.65 Gbits/sec 
    Online.net                | Paris, FR (10G)           | 716 Mbits/sec   | 1.72 Gbits/sec 
    WorldStream               | The Netherlands (10G)     | 841 Mbits/sec   | 1.23 Gbits/sec 
    wilhelm.tel               | Hamburg, DE (10G)         | 271 Mbits/sec   | 1.48 Gbits/sec 
    Biznet                    | Bogor, Indonesia (1G)     | 446 Mbits/sec   | 328 Mbits/sec  
    Hostkey                   | Moscow, RU (1G)           | 562 Mbits/sec   | 834 Mbits/sec  
    Velocity Online           | Tallahassee, FL, US (10G) | 1.64 Gbits/sec  | 3.02 Gbits/sec 
    Airstream Communications  | Eau Claire, WI, US (10G)  | 1.65 Gbits/sec  | 4.22 Gbits/sec 
    Hurricane Electric        | Fremont, CA, US (10G)     | 892 Mbits/sec   | 2.68 Gbits/sec 
    
    Performing Geekbench 5 benchmark test. This may take a couple minutes to completGeekbench 5 Benchmark Test:
    ---------------------------------
    Test            | Value                         
                    |                               
    Single Core     | 1379                          
    Multi Core      | 4561                          
    Full Test       | https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/2457412
    

    Monster bench

     Region: Global  https://bench.monster v.1.5.0 2020-01-11 
     Usage : curl -LsO bench.monster/speedtest.sh; bash speedtest.sh -Global
    
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
     OS           : Debian GNU/Linux 10 (64 Bit)
     Virt/Kernel  : KVM / 4.19.0-5-amd64
     CPU Model    : AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 12-Core Processor
     CPU Cores    : 4 @ 3792.874 MHz x86_64 512 KB Cache
     CPU Flags    : AES-NI Enabled & VM-x/AMD-V Enabled
     Load Average : 0.10, 0.22, 0.11
     Total Space  : 157G (3.0G ~3% used)
     Total RAM    : 7878 MB (72 MB + 95 MB Buff in use)
     Total SWAP   : 1022 MB (0 MB in use)
     Uptime       : 0 days 6:35
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
     ASN & ISP    : AS23470, ReliableSite.Net LLC
     Organization : ReliableSite.Net LLC
     Location     : Miami, United States / US
     Region       : Florida
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
     ## Geekbench v4 CPU Benchmark:
    
      Single Core : 5771  (EXCELLENT)
       Multi Core : 18234
    
     ## IO Test
    
     CPU Speed:
        bzip2     : 142 MB/s
       sha256     : 287 MB/s
       md5sum     : 681 MB/s
    
     RAM Speed:
       Avg. write : 3174.4 MB/s
       Avg. read  : 10717.9 MB/s
    
     Disk Speed:
       1st run    : 596 MB/s
       2nd run    : 468 MB/s
       3rd run    : 483 MB/s
       -----------------------
       Average    : 515.7 MB/s
    
     ## Global Speedtest
    
     Location                       Upload           Download         Ping   
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
     Speedtest.net                  22.05 Mbit/s     154.28 Mbit/s   * 218.302 ms
     Singapore (FirstMedia)         18.67 Mbit/s     21.57 Mbit/s    232.470 ms
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
  • Happy independence day! I have posted my benchmark of Hotlineservers's Montreal location, which was kindly loaned to me by @Iroshan464
    Check it out here: https://blog.unixfy.net/hotlineservers-benchmark-8gb-montreal/

  • OujiOuji OG
    edited July 2020

    @Unixfy said: Happy independence day! I have posted my benchmark of Hotlineservers's Montreal location, which was kindly loaned to me by @Iroshan464

    How long would you take to run all tests? I can lend my Ryzen Miami as well =)

  • @Ouji said: How long would you take to run all tests? I can lend my Ryzen Miami as well

    It took me about 30 minutes - but I was doing it while a bit distracted. :)

    If you (or anyone else) is interested in loaning me a server for benchmarks, please add my public key (available here: https://unixfy.s3.amazonaws.com/pubkey.txt) and send me a PM.

  • @Not_Oles said:
    Someday maybe somebody will explain to me why it was considered okay to simplify "love" by removing "heart." I appreciate that more people (but not me) can read when the characters are simpler, but removing the "heart" from "love" seems a bit too much. :)

    It's used as a weapon to show that "commies are bad"!

    Truth is, people have been writing the "heartless love" since at least the 1200s as a shortcut.

    Chinese characters in today's form, is "just is" and don't carry any pictographical meaning anymore like their predecessors do.

    DM us for private tracker invite.

  • Thanks to the generosity of @Ouji , I was able to perform a benchmark on the Miami location, with awesome Ryzen 3900X CPUs. The performance is fantastic (for the most part), take a look: https://blog.unixfy.net/hotlineservers-benchmark-8gb-ryzen-miami/

  • Not_OlesNot_Oles Provider

    @terrorgen said: Truth is, people have been writing the "heartless love" since at least the 1200s as a shortcut.

    Yeah, got it! I had understood generally that many of the character simplifications were based on long established shortcuts, but I wasn't aware that heartless love was one of these.

    I have asked quite a few people about this particular shortcut, and nobody of those I asked said that heartless love was long established.

    Thanks for taking time to help me understand one Chinese character better! I really appreciate it!

    And, by the way, I certainly didn't mean to suggest that anybody was "bad."

  • Not_OlesNot_Oles Provider

    @Not_Oles said: The thought crossed my mind to ask Hotlineservers if they wanted a little help with their English.

    @hotlineservers No strings attached. :)

  • @Not_Oles said:

    @terrorgen said: Truth is, people have been writing the "heartless love" since at least the 1200s as a shortcut.

    Yeah, got it! I had understood generally that many of the character simplifications were based on long established shortcuts, but I wasn't aware that heartless love was one of these.

    I have asked quite a few people about this particular shortcut, and nobody of those I asked said that heartless love was long established.

    Thanks for taking time to help me understand one Chinese character better! I really appreciate it!

    And, by the way, I certainly didn't mean to suggest that anybody was "bad."

    Oh no, I don't think you do. It is the people who put out the message.

    "Love" without "heart"
    "Relatives" that don't "meet"
    "Bread" without "wheat"
    "Mentor" without "moral"

    See, commies are bad!

    DM us for private tracker invite.

  • Amazing support from Bryan.

    Watch million of Homemade Amateur Videos for free in HD quality movies.

  • As a native speaker I haven't really caught anything in support conversations that lead me to believe their English was poor. Got my VPS yesterday though and so far super impressed. Gonna put it through its paces over the next few days

  • Forgot to tell, but +1 on Bryan's support. Really top notch so far.

  • ouvounouvoun OG
    edited July 2020

    Hmm with 50% off that’s a...pretty insane deal. Reminds me of the HostD*C deals back in the day, which makes me question the sustainability of Hotline. With that said, I’m always down for some spicy Ryzen servers so I’ll be keeping one eye open.

    Great review, by the way!

    It don’t be like it is until it do.

  • Ryzen from Hotlineservers at LA
    +1 for Bryan's support

    # ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## #
    #              Yet-Another-Bench-Script              #
    #                     v2020-06-20                    #
    # https://github.com/masonr/yet-another-bench-script #
    # ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## #
    
    Sun Jul  5 23:03:30 EDT 2020
    
    Basic System Information:
    ---------------------------------
    Processor  : AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 12-Core Processor
    CPU cores  : 6 @ 3792.872 MHz
    AES-NI     : ✔ Enabled
    VM-x/AMD-V : ✔ Enabled
    RAM        : 9.4G
    Swap       : 5.0G
    Disk       : 196G
    
    fio Disk Speed Tests (Mixed R/W 50/50):
    ---------------------------------
    Block Size | 4k            (IOPS) | 64k           (IOPS)
      ------   | ---            ----  | ----           ----
    Read       | 314.18 MB/s  (78.5k) | 3.00 GB/s    (46.8k)
    Write      | 315.01 MB/s  (78.7k) | 3.01 GB/s    (47.1k)
    Total      | 629.20 MB/s (157.3k) | 6.01 GB/s    (94.0k)
               |                      |
    Block Size | 512k          (IOPS) | 1m            (IOPS)
      ------   | ---            ----  | ----           ----
    Read       | 2.37 GB/s     (4.6k) | 1.44 GB/s     (1.4k)
    Write      | 2.50 GB/s     (4.8k) | 1.53 GB/s     (1.5k)
    Total      | 4.88 GB/s     (9.5k) | 2.97 GB/s     (2.9k)
    
    iperf3 Network Speed Tests (IPv4):
    ---------------------------------
    Provider                  | Location (Link)           | Send Speed      | Recv Speed
                              |                           |                 |       
    Bouygues Telecom          | Paris, FR (10G)           | 1.46 Gbits/sec  | 1.26 Gbits/sec
    Online.net                | Paris, FR (10G)           | 1.48 Gbits/sec  | 1.26 Gbits/sec
    WorldStream               | The Netherlands (10G)     | 1.13 Gbits/sec  | 1.19 Gbits/sec
    wilhelm.tel               | Hamburg, DE (10G)         | 671 Mbits/sec   | 1.15 Gbits/sec
    Biznet                    | Bogor, Indonesia (1G)     | 336 Mbits/sec   | 489 Mbits/sec
    Hostkey                   | Moscow, RU (1G)           | 779 Mbits/sec   | 792 Mbits/sec
    Velocity Online           | Tallahassee, FL, US (10G) | 1.63 Gbits/sec  | 2.39 Gbits/sec
    Performing IPv4 iperf3 send test to Airstream Communications (Attempt #1 of 10).Performing IPv4 iperf3 send test to Airstream Communications (Attempt #2 of 10).Performing IPv4 iperf3 recv test from Airstream Communications (Attempt #1 of 10Airstream Communications  | Eau Claire, WI, US (10G)  | 2.91 Gbits/sec  | 2.71 Gbits/sec
    Hurricane Electric        | Fremont, CA, US (10G)     | 8.34 Gbits/sec  | 9.27 Gbits/sec
    
    Geekbench 5 Benchmark Test:
    ---------------------------------
    Test            | Value
                    |
    Single Core     | 1180
    Multi Core      | 5200
    Full Test       | https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/2822304
    
    
  • edited July 2020

    I just had a google report in, the forum has had 97 clicks via google from people searching for "hotlineservers" and this post was the most popular clickthrough :)

    https://inceptionhosting.com
    Please do not use the PM system here for Inception Hosting support issues.

  • @ouvoun said: Hmm with 50% off that’s a...pretty insane deal. Reminds me of the HostD*C deals back in the day, which makes me question the sustainability of Hotline. With that said, I’m always down for some spicy Ryzen servers so I’ll be keeping one eye open.

    Hotlineservers mentioned in the promo thread that they are profitable at these prices. They said they are paying $150/month for a 256GB RAM server so they would only need to charge around $4.60/month for an 8GB plan to break-even, and that's not including overselling on RAM. I think they're here to stay :)

    @AnthonySmith said: I just had a google report in, the forum has had 97 clicks via google from people searching for "hotlineservers" and this post was the most popular clickthrough

    Awesome! I've noticed the posts have been driving a lot of traffic to my blog and homepage too :P

  • @Unixfy said:

    @ouvoun said: Hmm with 50% off that’s a...pretty insane deal. Reminds me of the HostD*C deals back in the day, which makes me question the sustainability of Hotline. With that said, I’m always down for some spicy Ryzen servers so I’ll be keeping one eye open.

    Hotlineservers mentioned in the promo thread that they are profitable at these prices. They said they are paying $150/month for a 256GB RAM server so they would only need to charge around $4.60/month for an 8GB plan to break-even, and that's not including overselling on RAM. I think they're here to stay :)

    I must’ve missed that, thanks for the heads up!

    It don’t be like it is until it do.

  • vyasvyas OG
    edited July 2020

    Hm
    But that is simple break even
    Does not include salary, taxes, insurance, advertising and marketing expenses if any, etc. And a net margin. one can build in discount marketing expense.
    Their EBIDTA (earnings bedore interest, depriciation, taxes and amortization) numbers might tell a different story. Of course for rented servers depreciation and amortization may not apply.
    I wish them well in any case.

  • OujiOuji OG
    edited July 2020

    While this is true, it should be noted that he probably didn't sell the whole server allocation for 50%-55% discount, so if he sold some at the discounted prices and filled the rest with the normal pricing (another assumption, that's the only thing we can make here currently), he should have profit margin good enough to pay for all the costs.

    The fact that the offer was not annually at least gives us a peace of mind that you'd only need to dispute $5 or $10 in Paypal if it came to that. And as I said in their promo thread, everyone should be keeping backups whether the host is reliable or they think will deadpool in a couple months.

  • @Ouji said: While this is true, it should be noted that he probably didn't sell the whole server allocation for 50%-55% discount,

    Even if he did sell the entire server with 8GB @ $6.53 plans, his margins would still be around 50%. And again, that's not counting any overselling - which is probably occurring.

  • @Unixfy said: Even if he did sell the entire server with 8GB @ $6.53 plans, his margins would still be around 50%. And again, that's not counting any overselling - which is probably occurring.

    He can't oversell on CPU cores as far as I'm concerned tho, as he advertises them as dedicated. Not sure if all packages have them like that.

  • @Unixfy said:

    @Ouji said: While this is true, it should be noted that he probably didn't sell the whole server allocation for 50%-55% discount,

    Even if he did sell the entire server with 8GB @ $6.53 plans, his margins would still be around 50%. And again, that's not counting any overselling - which is probably occurring.

    The 8gb plans were and are very limited. My guess is is mostly the 2gb and 4gb plans which makes more sense. Additionally it gains traction on the business and gives him more leverage with reliable sites for volume discounting of the dedicated servers. It's frankly a smart way to get rocking.

  • @sureiam said: The 8gb plans were and are very limited.

    That's my guess as well.

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