"a disgruntled former director of VMHaus Ltd." who let his company be taken from him and abused by a bunch of teenagers who ripped him off and left him in debt ran away with his assets and here we are today.
He can only blame himself for employing known criminal because they were cheap I guess, the vmhaus panel code has been sold and sold and sold over and over again by now and given who coded it, people should be worried if they have anything running on it.
@YellowHummingbird said: Eugh, I hope the data isn't really being traded. I love Mythic Beasts - they're really solid and great to deal with.
iirc they operate VMHaus like a completely separate entity so I would not be concerned, if VMHaus fails it will have zero impact, it was a mercy take over/rescue anyway from what I understand to help out one of their employees who got tangled in the mess.
@YellowHummingbird said: Eugh, I hope the data isn't really being traded. I love Mythic Beasts - they're really solid and great to deal with.
iirc they operate VMHaus like a completely separate entity so I would not be concerned, if VMHaus fails it will have zero impact, it was a mercy take over/rescue anyway from what I understand to help out one of their employees who got tangled in the mess.
Ah, I'd assumed they'd merged some of the behind-the-scenes parts (maybe the customer database). I didn't realise that - but from a quick google search, I suspect you're right.
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$150/one time? for a panel with all those features? uh if it isn't encoded you could buy it and then get someone to build/clean ontop of it?
I believe sometimes it is not about the price but etiquette. I thought all rights of Bonsai should be sold together to Mythic Beasts. Should think twice before obtaining it.
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@SpeedBus said:
$150/one time? for a panel with all those features? uh if it isn't encoded you could buy it and then get someone to build/clean ontop of it?
I believe sometimes it is not about the price but etiquette. I thought all rights of Bonsai should be sold together to Mythic Beasts. Should think twice before obtaining it.
Ahhh I see now, I thought that the company was selling the panel as-is. Re-read the post now and see that the ID isn't theirs. My bad, sorry about that.
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@FAT32 said: I believe sometimes it is not about the price but etiquette. I thought all rights of Bonsai should be sold together to Mythic Beasts. Should think twice before obtaining it.
The issue was from memory that the owner gave away so many shares rather than salary to the kids he had running it that he was no longer a majority shareholder and then they took it from him and removed him as a director, sacked off the guy that did a lot of the work on bonsai, everyone else panicked and resigned leaving the one kid left who happened to work for Mythic Beasts, as the sole director he then could do what he wanted, given the debt Mythic Beasts then rescued the situation.
The founder, now pushed out said he paid for Bonsai out of his own pocket, not out of VMHaus profits and claimed ownership of it, and tbh, he is probably not far wrong. (excluding the customer data)
Anyway, there is the public version, Mythic Beasts version, The original owners version and some employees versions, the truth is probably somewhere in the middle.
@Neoon said:
How did the guy got access to the twitter account of VMHaus?
I mean it was sold over 1 year ago, you wanna tell me they missed to change the password?
I imagine because he did all the marketing no one else ever had access to it, due to the nature of the company being taken from him they did not dare ask for the twitter login and hoped he just remained dormant.
@Neoon said:
How did the guy got access to the twitter account of VMHaus?
I mean it was sold over 1 year ago, you wanna tell me they missed to change the password?
I imagine because he did all the marketing no one else ever had access to it, due to the nature of the company being taken from him they did not dare ask for the twitter login and hoped he just remained dormant.
If this is the case, as you say, why would they leave the account out there with that guy?
They could have claimed it but they apparently did not or never needed to do that.
If you buy a company, you want to get access to all accounts right?
So I rather suspect, someone missed to switch the keys to that door.
anyway, anyone DM for the source code yet?
Basil insisted on discord, that anyone who is going to "take advantage" via DM will likely get sued:
"friendly reminder,
So I guess anyone with a bit of sanity would not do that.
Besides, what stops someone, to create a new twitter account via VPN or such and just request it? Nothing.
I am more worried, if the code goes into the wrong hands, that the panel may get exploited sooner or later.
So far I do not know a single security audit that this panel had.
Besides, a while back, someone talked about the Bonsai panel and code quality and what he said did not sounded so good to me.
Of course take this with a grain of salt.
They did took the panel down, as precaution and its back up now.
Lets see how it goes.
How exactly do they plan to sue someone outside of the EU? Say some Chinese provider takes up on it...yeah, good luck pal. Especially with GDPR. They dont give a rats behind.
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@Neoon said: If this is the case, as you say, why > would they leave the account out there with that guy?
They could have claimed it but they apparently did not or never needed to do that.
Have you ever tried to claim a twitter account? it is like trying to get support from google for gmail.
@serv_ee said: How exactly do they plan to sue someone outside of the EU? Say some Chinese provider takes up on it...yeah, good luck pal. Especially with GDPR. They dont give a rats behind.
Anyway, thinking about it, he probably does not have shit, if he wanted to do maximum damage he would just put the whole thing on the pirate bay as a torrent.
may not even be him, it may be one of the other directors Tom Glass for example that managed to recover the account and is poking at Basil because he won the game of thrones.
@serv_ee said:
How exactly do they plan to sue someone outside of the EU? Say some Chinese provider takes up on it...yeah, good luck pal. Especially with GDPR. They dont give a rats behind.
Yea, especially, the twitter post has been up since hours... likely that someone already got the dump.
I wonder how long it will stay online.
@Neoon said: If this is the case, as you say, why > would they leave the account out there with that guy?
They could have claimed it but they apparently did not or never needed to do that.
Have you ever tried to claim a twitter account? it is like trying to get support from google for gmail.
No but, the buyout took place over 1 year ago, they could have done that by now.
VMHaus posted a very long statement on their website with some background information - it pretty much just confirms what's been said in this thread, in my opinion.
@YellowHummingbird said:
VMHaus posted a very long statement on their website with some background information - it pretty much just confirms what's been said in this thread, in my opinion.
Thanks. That clarified a lot for me. That man must be drunk or something to have consented to his initial loans/investment being paid back from operating a failing company employing teenagers paid solely on equity and still having such a strong grudge that he sells customer data.
I got that email and apparently had an account with them, but I don't seem to have any services with them. So now I'm trying to figure out why I signed up for the account. Did they have some kind of promo? I see two signup emails, November 2017 and March 2018.
@willie said:
I got that email and apparently had an account with them, but I don't seem to have any services with them. So now I'm trying to figure out why I signed up for the account. Did they have some kind of promo? I see two signup emails, November 2017 and March 2018.
Did they have some kind of clickbait offer on LET where the offer turned out to be an xmas picture or something like that, but you only found out when you redeemed the coupon? Or was that someone else.
@willie said:
Did they have some kind of clickbait offer on LET where the offer turned out to be an xmas picture or something like that, but you only found out when you redeemed the coupon? Or was that someone else.
iirc they were really hot back then. They were nominated as 'Top Provider" on LET as well. They gave out free credits, did free BGP sessions, and also gave out ASNs for $50 one time
@willie said:
I got that email and apparently had an account with them, but I don't seem to have any services with them. So now I'm trying to figure out why I signed up for the account. Did they have some kind of promo? I see two signup emails, November 2017 and March 2018.
They gave out free credit to test their panel in 2017, that's apparently when I signed up as well.
Good write up, I think a few things have been left out and they do at least have a good idea why he is so pissed off but I understand why they have framed it as they have under the circumstances.
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"a disgruntled former director of VMHaus Ltd." who let his company be taken from him and abused by a bunch of teenagers who ripped him off and left him in debt ran away with his assets and here we are today.
He can only blame himself for employing known criminal because they were cheap I guess, the vmhaus panel code has been sold and sold and sold over and over again by now and given who coded it, people should be worried if they have anything running on it.
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Thanks - have updated original post to reflect this.
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They should sue for defamation.
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Eugh, I hope the data isn't really being traded. I love Mythic Beasts - they're really solid and great to deal with.
iirc they operate VMHaus like a completely separate entity so I would not be concerned, if VMHaus fails it will have zero impact, it was a mercy take over/rescue anyway from what I understand to help out one of their employees who got tangled in the mess.
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Ah, I'd assumed they'd merged some of the behind-the-scenes parts (maybe the customer database). I didn't realise that - but from a quick google search, I suspect you're right.
In theory its possible that he has hands on a old dump + old bonsai source code.
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That is not a theory, he offered to sell it to me.
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$7 for bonsai
I bench YABS 24/7/365 unless it's a leap year.
it started at $500 then he got cheaper, think it was $150 at some point.
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That's actually reasonable lol. We gonna have some bonsai summer hosts soon
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$150/one time? for a panel with all those features? uh if it isn't encoded you could buy it and then get someone to build/clean ontop of it?
EDIT: didn't read the post with my brain fully working, my bad.
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I believe sometimes it is not about the price but etiquette. I thought all rights of Bonsai should be sold together to Mythic Beasts. Should think twice before obtaining it.
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Ahhh I see now, I thought that the company was selling the panel as-is. Re-read the post now and see that the ID isn't theirs. My bad, sorry about that.
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The issue was from memory that the owner gave away so many shares rather than salary to the kids he had running it that he was no longer a majority shareholder and then they took it from him and removed him as a director, sacked off the guy that did a lot of the work on bonsai, everyone else panicked and resigned leaving the one kid left who happened to work for Mythic Beasts, as the sole director he then could do what he wanted, given the debt Mythic Beasts then rescued the situation.
The founder, now pushed out said he paid for Bonsai out of his own pocket, not out of VMHaus profits and claimed ownership of it, and tbh, he is probably not far wrong. (excluding the customer data)
Anyway, there is the public version, Mythic Beasts version, The original owners version and some employees versions, the truth is probably somewhere in the middle.
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Sounds like business opportunity!
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Now he's offering customer data.
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Hes probably on it already.
I think most people should be scared of buying from there...
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Wow!
How did the guy got access to the twitter account of VMHaus?
I mean it was sold over 1 year ago, you wanna tell me they missed to change the password?
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I imagine because he did all the marketing no one else ever had access to it, due to the nature of the company being taken from him they did not dare ask for the twitter login and hoped he just remained dormant.
anyway, anyone DM for the source code yet?
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Wonder if he accepts steam gift cards...
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If this is the case, as you say, why would they leave the account out there with that guy?
They could have claimed it but they apparently did not or never needed to do that.
If you buy a company, you want to get access to all accounts right?
So I rather suspect, someone missed to switch the keys to that door.
Basil insisted on discord, that anyone who is going to "take advantage" via DM will likely get sued:
"friendly reminder,
So I guess anyone with a bit of sanity would not do that.
Besides, what stops someone, to create a new twitter account via VPN or such and just request it? Nothing.
I am more worried, if the code goes into the wrong hands, that the panel may get exploited sooner or later.
So far I do not know a single security audit that this panel had.
Besides, a while back, someone talked about the Bonsai panel and code quality and what he said did not sounded so good to me.
Of course take this with a grain of salt.
They did took the panel down, as precaution and its back up now.
Lets see how it goes.
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How exactly do they plan to sue someone outside of the EU? Say some Chinese provider takes up on it...yeah, good luck pal. Especially with GDPR. They dont give a rats behind.
I'm the 85%. Also Elon likes memes hence he's an idiot.
Have you ever tried to claim a twitter account? it is like trying to get support from google for gmail.
Indeed.
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Anyway, thinking about it, he probably does not have shit, if he wanted to do maximum damage he would just put the whole thing on the pirate bay as a torrent.
may not even be him, it may be one of the other directors Tom Glass for example that managed to recover the account and is poking at Basil because he won the game of thrones.
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Yea, especially, the twitter post has been up since hours... likely that someone already got the dump.
I wonder how long it will stay online.
No but, the buyout took place over 1 year ago, they could have done that by now.
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A. Plz send proofs of tradmarkzes
Q. but?
A. No bye.
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Not enough l33t in it Anthony.
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Much better.
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VMHaus posted a very long statement on their website with some background information - it pretty much just confirms what's been said in this thread, in my opinion.
Thanks. That clarified a lot for me. That man must be drunk or something to have consented to his initial loans/investment being paid back from operating a failing company employing teenagers paid solely on equity and still having such a strong grudge that he sells customer data.
Their statement is so long.
tl;tr version: We fucked up. Your entire data is leaked. But because we apologized because we have to, it's okay now. Carry on.
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I got that email and apparently had an account with them, but I don't seem to have any services with them. So now I'm trying to figure out why I signed up for the account. Did they have some kind of promo? I see two signup emails, November 2017 and March 2018.
Credit promos were big for them afair
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I am sure I did not have an account... How did I get the email?
Did they have some kind of clickbait offer on LET where the offer turned out to be an xmas picture or something like that, but you only found out when you redeemed the coupon? Or was that someone else.
iirc they were really hot back then. They were nominated as 'Top Provider" on LET as well. They gave out free credits, did free BGP sessions, and also gave out ASNs for $50 one time
They gave out free credit to test their panel in 2017, that's apparently when I signed up as well.
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Good write up, I think a few things have been left out and they do at least have a good idea why he is so pissed off but I understand why they have framed it as they have under the circumstances.
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I did not sign up or give them my details. I did not receive any email.
It was too soon after I'd got burned by another provider that offered me $15/yr KVM in SGP(the name eludes me for some reason right now)
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