WEEKDAY POLL: The Future of LES

Nekki · December 2022

Everyone’s favourite article writer @Not_Oles posed a question in another thread after he got upset by @root unleashing banter:

At this moment we at LES have a wonderful opportunity to determine how far LES as a community will lean toward too sharp humor and how far LES will lean toward learning accompanied by interaction with trusted friends. Thus, the thread is not so much derailed as elevated to consideration of a topic critically important to LES's future.

Which made me think - poll time!

FrankZ · December 2022

Damn you @Nekki you beat me to it.

Nekki · December 2022

@FrankZ said:
Damn you @Nekki you beat me to it.

Unlucky for you I haven’t been drinking this evening or I’d have been slumped in front of the TV with my old chap out ages ago.

vyas · December 2022

@Nekki said:

@FrankZ said:
Damn you @Nekki you beat me to it.

Unlucky for you I haven’t been drinking this evening or I’d have been slumped in front of the TV with my old chap out ages ago.

Chapping the old chap??

https://www.thefreedictionary.com/chapping

Nekki · December 2022

@vyas said:

@Nekki said:

@FrankZ said:
Damn you @Nekki you beat me to it.

Unlucky for you I haven’t been drinking this evening or I’d have been slumped in front of the TV with my old chap out ages ago.

Chapping the old chap??

https://www.thefreedictionary.com/chapping

A chapped old chap is not something I would wish on my worst enemy.

legendary · December 2022

I feel trigered. Forum is a public space with various personalities. Limiting interaction on such platform is harmful censorship. Besides, Oles is passively aggressive. That is a real problem.

skorous · December 2022

@legendary said:
I feel trigered. Forum is a public space with various personalities. Limiting interaction on such platform is harmful censorship. Besides, Oles is passively aggressive. That is a real problem.

Do you feel it's a larger problem than your being overtly aggressive?

deank · December 2022

The end is nigh, always.

legendary · December 2022

@skorous said:

@legendary said:
I feel trigered. Forum is a public space with various personalities. Limiting interaction on such platform is harmful censorship. Besides, Oles is passively aggressive. That is a real problem.

Do you feel it's a larger problem than your being overtly aggressive?

Yes. At least I emanating clear emotions. It is simple, quickly regurgigable.

Now, would you mind sharing your thoughts about trolling?

shallow · December 2022

Here I am.
Rock you like a hurricane.

FrankZ · December 2022

Please accept that I am a member here too. So I wanted to weigh in with my personal opinions.
I am in the "Why not both?" camp.

Here are some of the reasons why I like this forum and spend most of my time here over other places.
1. Here the humor is generally good natured and intelligent (to the point sometimes I don't get it the first time around). It may be
more pointed than I realize, but since I have naturally thick skin, I don't notice.
2. People actually talk to each other when they disagree on a subject, instead of just digging in their heels and calling each other
names. I actually enjoy having reasonable conversations with people that do not think exactly as I do.
3. Most of us lightly troll each other once in a while, but there are very few full time trolls.
4. I actually do learn about something new that interests me from time to time.
5. I know this one will offend some, but I like that free speech does not mean a free for all in each thread. LES is multi threaded so
virtually all speech should and can be allowed but IMO with some organization.
6. I really like Nekki's word smithing, ehab's gif collection, and vyas writings,
7. I respect the administration, what they stand for, and what they are trying to accomplish.
8. I really like that there was a BF and CM threads this year, I hope that will continue.
9. I of course like LE offers, but that is not really the point of this thread. /derail
10. And last but not least as a non native English speaker I like that @AlwaysSkint corrects my grammar.

I would also like to hear what everybody else likes about this forum as well.
I look forward to hearing what other members like about this forum, so I hope that you will share your thoughts with me.

skorous · December 2022

@legendary said:

@skorous said:

@legendary said:
I feel trigered. Forum is a public space with various personalities. Limiting interaction on such platform is harmful censorship. Besides, Oles is passively aggressive. That is a real problem.

Do you feel it's a larger problem than your being overtly aggressive?

Yes. At least I emanating clear emotions. It is simple, quickly regurgigable.

Now, would you mind sharing your thoughts about trolling?

I don't mind a good troll as long as it's not mean or constant. I've been known to troll a person or two in my spare time as I'm sure @add_iT will attest.

deank · December 2022

A good troll is one that doesn't get himself banned.

End of.

ehab · December 2022

I like LES as it is now. Relax all.... and have fun.

bdl · December 2022

@Nekki said:

@vyas said:

@Nekki said:

@FrankZ said:
Damn you @Nekki you beat me to it.

Unlucky for you I haven’t been drinking this evening or I’d have been slumped in front of the TV with my old chap out ages ago.

Chapping the old chap??

https://www.thefreedictionary.com/chapping

A chapped old chap is not something I would wish on my worst enemy.

Just put some chapstick on your stick, chap and you'll be a sticky happy chappy.

Nekki · December 2022

@bdl said:

@Nekki said:

@vyas said:

@Nekki said:

@FrankZ said:
Damn you @Nekki you beat me to it.

Unlucky for you I haven’t been drinking this evening or I’d have been slumped in front of the TV with my old chap out ages ago.

Chapping the old chap??

https://www.thefreedictionary.com/chapping

A chapped old chap is not something I would wish on my worst enemy.

Just put some chapstick on your stick, chap and you'll be a sticky happy chappy.

Chap stick, slick dick, quite thick, done quick.

root · December 2022

@Nekki said:

@bdl said:

@Nekki said:

@vyas said:

@Nekki said:

@FrankZ said:
Damn you @Nekki you beat me to it.

Unlucky for you I haven’t been drinking this evening or I’d have been slumped in front of the TV with my old chap out ages ago.

Chapping the old chap??

https://www.thefreedictionary.com/chapping

A chapped old chap is not something I would wish on my worst enemy.

Just put some chapstick on your stick, chap and you'll be a sticky happy chappy.

Chap stick, slick dick, quite thick, done quick.

Nekki · December 2022

@root said:

@Nekki said:

@bdl said:

@Nekki said:

@vyas said:

@Nekki said:

@FrankZ said:
Damn you @Nekki you beat me to it.

Unlucky for you I haven’t been drinking this evening or I’d have been slumped in front of the TV with my old chap out ages ago.

Chapping the old chap??

https://www.thefreedictionary.com/chapping

A chapped old chap is not something I would wish on my worst enemy.

Just put some chapstick on your stick, chap and you'll be a sticky happy chappy.

Chap stick, slick dick, quite thick, done quick.

Ah, a considerate lover. Let your significant other enjoy the smell of fruits whilst you pump them full of your nut butter.

vyas · December 2022

SPF15

Old chap really likes to get some sun !!

root · December 2022

@vyas said:
SPF15

Old chap really likes to get some sun !!

Sure, even if it's Christmas soon one still needs to enjoy sun and absorption of vitamin D (from the sun).

AlwaysSkint · December 2022

@FrankZ said: I hope that you will share your thought with me.

I only have one, prior to guzzling my morning coffee.

@FrankZ said: So I wanted to weight weigh in..

As in, a boxer/wrestler.

FrankZ · December 2022

@AlwaysSkint said:

@FrankZ said: I hope that you will share your thought with me.

I only have one, prior to guzzling my morning coffee.

@FrankZ said: So I wanted to weight weigh in..

As in, a boxer/wrestler.

Thank you for your thoughts and suggestions.
Enjoy your coffee and have a good morning.

AlwaysSkint · December 2022

@FrankZ said: Thank you for your thoughts and suggestions.

Ahh, some revisionism going on.

The problem with humour, is that no everyone sees it as such eg. Beavis & Butthead
I'm all for banter but not puerile commentary - it detracts from otherwise intelligent people, IMHumbleO.

msatt · December 2022

Let's start with the key reasons why I do not like LET

Too many negative comments.
So many strong characters that feel they need to ALWAYS give their opinion.
Constant derailing
SELL SELL SELL.

So if LES can avoid the above then it will be a 'warmer' friendlier place.

I would like more tech questions/help, good questions and helpful answers, not comments like RTFM - instead pointers and support given. Many of us are extremely knowledgeable about 'the cloud' but want drama and titillation. For knowledge and help stay here for drama and titillation go elsewhere.

No problems with jokes, gifs as long as they are meant as jokes rather than creating insults.

LET has chosen its direction (commercial) and LES should and always be different.

vyas · December 2022

@msatt

I would like more tech questions/help, good questions and helpful answers, not comments like RTFM - instead pointers and support given.

Likewise! And not merely responding to your comment but a general observation:
There seems to be a sense of impatience and entitlement in some LET folks who are actually looking or help.
Fortunately not so visible a trend here. Except maybe the "V" offer thread

ehab · December 2022

@msatt said:
No problems with jokes, gifs as long as they are meant as jokes rather than creating insults.

what about asking to take off pants?

Nekki · December 2022

@ehab said:

@msatt said:
No problems with jokes, gifs as long as they are meant as jokes rather than creating insults.

what about asking to take off pants?

Depends on which country you’re from as the definition of pants differs. In some cases it’s HAWT, in others it’s sexual assault.

root · December 2022

@ehab said:

@msatt said:
No problems with jokes, gifs as long as they are meant as jokes rather than creating insults.

what about asking to take off pants?

Why would anyone ask such an affectionately emotional question on a technical forum about servers? Some might be bothered in finding said question as obnoxious or even embarrassing.

ehab · December 2022

@Nekki said:
Depends on which country you’re from as the definition of pants differs. In some cases it’s HAWT, in others it’s sexual assault.

@root said:
Why would anyone ask such an affectionately emotional question on a technical forum about servers? Some might be bothered in finding said question as obnoxious or even embarrassing.

taking off pants makes one feel better.
at first its hard
and its done like this

the world can be better and no problems at all

root · December 2022

@ehab said:
taking off pants makes one feel better.

You might actually be right. Would humans wear pants or any type of clothes if they had fur?

In my opinion the feelings of decency (as opposed to shame) made humans wear clothes for more than just warming the body. Clothing became a culture for decency versus indecency, when it's origin might reside in the fact that humans don't have any fur (only a bit of hair which is also trimmed for elegance and beauty).

msatt · December 2022

@root said:

@ehab said:

@msatt said:
No problems with jokes, gifs as long as they are meant as jokes rather than creating insults.

what about asking to take off pants?

Why would anyone ask such an affectionately emotional question on a technical forum about servers? Some might be bothered in finding said question as obnoxious or even embarrassing.

I think that is a very good point.
The comment is certainly meant as a joke and has not caused me any offence. Is it however appropriate?
Techies often have our own 'in' jokes and being on here for a long time, I know that ehab often mentions this sort of thing. To a newbie on the forum it is likely a waste of a message and I suppose could be slightly insulting. The joke breaks up what could be a heavy read so it is potentially beneficial.
It all comes down to balance and I am sure @ehab is balanced enough to know when it is appropriate.

root · December 2022

@msatt said:
It all comes down to balance and I am sure @ehab is balanced enough to know when it is appropriate.

This is the issue. What is appropriate is also subjective; just like the rule "don't be a dick" is subjective to how the meaning of "dick" is perceived by each and every unique person. Unfortunately, the red lines will have to be drawn by moderators on a case-by-case basis through warnings and/or bans. What one perceives as joke, another one finds offensive; it's just how individuals are unique in their DNA - these cases represent the hard part of being a moderator because moderators are in the middle of such flags, as expectations might sometimes be too high.

FrankZ · December 2022

Hear that @ehab someone else thinks that you're balanced too.

bdl · December 2022

@Nekki said:

@ehab said:

@msatt said:
No problems with jokes, gifs as long as they are meant as jokes rather than creating insults.

what about asking to take off pants?

Depends on which country you’re from as the definition of pants differs. In some cases it’s HAWT, in others it’s sexual assault.

that's pants

Nekki · December 2022

@bdl said:

@Nekki said:

@ehab said:

@msatt said:
No problems with jokes, gifs as long as they are meant as jokes rather than creating insults.

what about asking to take off pants?

Depends on which country you’re from as the definition of pants differs. In some cases it’s HAWT, in others it’s sexual assault.

that's pants

But what kind?

AlwaysSkint · December 2022

Devil's Advocate..
Admittedly IT is a male dominated environment and most forums reflect this, in content, style and character. The OGF must really alienate the "fairer sex" and LES is following suit, from what I read. A balanced approach to the forum, should take gender into account but not pander to the snowflakes.
/Advocate

root · December 2022

@AlwaysSkint said:
Devil's Advocate..
Admittedly IT is a male dominated environment and most forums reflect this, in content, style and character. The OGF must really alienate the "fairer sex" and LES is following suit, from what I read. A balanced approach to the forum, should take gender into account but not pander to the snowflakes.
/Advocate

So... you would want me to change my gender? Is this what you're saying?

AlwaysSkint · December 2022

@root said: ..you would want me to change my gender?

Dinnae get me started on that crap! Recently, UK has been putting forward gender recognition changes, FFS. /soapbox

root · December 2022

@AlwaysSkint said:

@root said: ..you would want me to change my gender?

Dinnae get me started on that crap! Recently, UK has been putting forward gender recognition changes, FFS. /soapbox

Thank you. I was worried for a few seconds.

Nekki · December 2022

@AlwaysSkint said:
Devil's Advocate..
Admittedly IT is a male dominated environment and most forums reflect this, in content, style and character. The OGF must really alienate the "fairer sex" and LES is following suit, from what I read. A balanced approach to the forum, should take gender into account but not pander to the snowflakes.
/Advocate

Maybe we could have a voluntary 'snowflake' badge so everyone knows who the easily triggered are and this of us who like to deploy 'bants' can make sure we make comments that won't infringe on their mental health?

root · December 2022

@Nekki said:

@AlwaysSkint said:
Devil's Advocate..
Admittedly IT is a male dominated environment and most forums reflect this, in content, style and character. The OGF must really alienate the "fairer sex" and LES is following suit, from what I read. A balanced approach to the forum, should take gender into account but not pander to the snowflakes.
/Advocate

Maybe we could have a voluntary 'snowflake' badge so everyone knows who the easily triggered are and this of us who like to deploy 'bants' can make sure we make comments that won't infringe on their mental health?

No. This would mean labelling such people, which in their eyes would take away their freedom of expression and definition without labels. It's like taking away other options from them to favour a specific option. People don't like labels, any labels, especially snowflakes. This in itself becomes a trigger for drama.

People do however like compliments and good words, so it would have to be done in such a way that the snowflake is not actually defined as a snowflake, but a very nice and diplomatic person which likes emotions and contradictions just in theory.

Writing this... I think I might become a snowflake too. Oh man!

Nekki · December 2022

@root said:

@Nekki said:

@AlwaysSkint said:
Devil's Advocate..
Admittedly IT is a male dominated environment and most forums reflect this, in content, style and character. The OGF must really alienate the "fairer sex" and LES is following suit, from what I read. A balanced approach to the forum, should take gender into account but not pander to the snowflakes.
/Advocate

Maybe we could have a voluntary 'snowflake' badge so everyone knows who the easily triggered are and this of us who like to deploy 'bants' can make sure we make comments that won't infringe on their mental health?

No. This would mean labelling such people, which in their eyes would take away their freedom of expression and definition without labels. It's like taking away other options from them to favour a specific option. People don't like labels, any labels, especially snowflakes. This in itself becomes a trigger for drama.

People do however like compliments and good words, so it would have to be done in such a way that the snowflake is not actually defined as a snowflake, but a very nice and diplomatic person which likes emotions and contradictions just in theory.

Writing this... I think I might become a snowflake too. Oh man!

Apply for the tag.

root · December 2022

@Nekki said:

@root said:

@Nekki said:

@AlwaysSkint said:
Devil's Advocate..
Admittedly IT is a male dominated environment and most forums reflect this, in content, style and character. The OGF must really alienate the "fairer sex" and LES is following suit, from what I read. A balanced approach to the forum, should take gender into account but not pander to the snowflakes.
/Advocate

Maybe we could have a voluntary 'snowflake' badge so everyone knows who the easily triggered are and this of us who like to deploy 'bants' can make sure we make comments that won't infringe on their mental health?

No. This would mean labelling such people, which in their eyes would take away their freedom of expression and definition without labels. It's like taking away other options from them to favour a specific option. People don't like labels, any labels, especially snowflakes. This in itself becomes a trigger for drama.

People do however like compliments and good words, so it would have to be done in such a way that the snowflake is not actually defined as a snowflake, but a very nice and diplomatic person which likes emotions and contradictions just in theory.

Writing this... I think I might become a snowflake too. Oh man!

Apply for the tag.

But what if I am not a snowflake?! How can I know for sure?!

I do not wish to deceive other "creme de la creme" members of this refined low-end community.

bikegremlin · December 2022

@root said:

@Nekki said:

@root said:

@Nekki said:

@AlwaysSkint said:
Devil's Advocate..
Admittedly IT is a male dominated environment and most forums reflect this, in content, style and character. The OGF must really alienate the "fairer sex" and LES is following suit, from what I read. A balanced approach to the forum, should take gender into account but not pander to the snowflakes.
/Advocate

Maybe we could have a voluntary 'snowflake' badge so everyone knows who the easily triggered are and this of us who like to deploy 'bants' can make sure we make comments that won't infringe on their mental health?

No. This would mean labelling such people, which in their eyes would take away their freedom of expression and definition without labels. It's like taking away other options from them to favour a specific option. People don't like labels, any labels, especially snowflakes. This in itself becomes a trigger for drama.

People do however like compliments and good words, so it would have to be done in such a way that the snowflake is not actually defined as a snowflake, but a very nice and diplomatic person which likes emotions and contradictions just in theory.

Writing this... I think I might become a snowflake too. Oh man!

Apply for the tag.

But what if I am not a snowflake?! How can I know for sure?!

I do not wish to deceive other "creme de la creme" members of this refined low-end community.

You're definitely not flaky enough (pun intended).

AlwaysSkint · December 2022

Begs the question:
Do people know when they are a snowflake and/or does it only become apparent when someone else tells them so?
Purely rhetorical, as I don't give a shit.

Nekki · December 2022

@AlwaysSkint said:
Begs the question:
Do people know when they are a snowflake and/or does it only become apparent when someone else tells them so?

Snowflakes know they are snowflakes, because they are constantly FURIOUS about it.

Purely rhetorical, as I don't give a shit.

Since when did you start swearing?

AlwaysSkint · December 2022

@Nekki said: Since when did you start swearing?

.

You can't say crap on the radio

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-lm&q=stiff+little+fingers+you+can't+say+crap+on+the+radio+lyrics

root · December 2022

@Nekki said:

@AlwaysSkint said:
Begs the question:
Do people know when they are a snowflake and/or does it only become apparent when someone else tells them so?

Snowflakes know they are snowflakes, because they are constantly FURIOUS about it.

Purely rhetorical, as I don't give a shit.

Since when did you start swearing?

FrankZ · December 2022

If @AlwaysSkint has started swearing then LES is (un) officially "R" rated.

AlwaysSkint · December 2022

@FrankZ said: LES is (non) officially

(Un)officially, please!

This illustrates the point quite nicely, that depending on culture etc. merde, shizen, shit, shite, crap has varying acceptance of being swearing, even though we all do it it, feck.

Nekki · December 2022

@AlwaysSkint said:

@FrankZ said: LES is (non) officially

(Un)officially, please!

This illustrates the point quite nicely, that depending on culture etc. merde, shizen, shit, shite, crap has varying acceptance of being swearing, even though we all do it it, feck.

So what words am I not allowed to say without activating my penalty? I'm unclear now.

WEEKDAY POLL: The Future of LES

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