@AlwaysSkint said:
This illustrates the point quite nicely, that depending on culture etc. merde, shizen, shit, shite, crap has varying acceptance of being swearing, even though we all do it it, feck.
This illustrates the point quite nicely, that depending on culture etc. merde, shizen, shit, shite, crap has varying acceptance of being swearing, even though we all do it it, feck.
In Serbia, we don't say "I don't give a shit," we say "my dick hurts" - and I think it's beautiful!
@root said: This would mean labelling such people, which in their eyes would take away their freedom of expression and definition without labels.
But of course nobody sees it as a problem when we label threads, just because we dehumanize them first does it really make it some how better than labeling people ? We need to seriously ask our selves is it time to stop labeling threads. @Nekki time for another poll thread I think.
In stasis until the shitposting stops/abates.
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In stasis until the shitposting stops/abates.
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@root said: This would mean labelling such people, which in their eyes would take away their freedom of expression and definition without labels.
But of course nobody sees it as a problem when we label threads, just because we dehumanize them first does it really make it some how better than labeling people ? We need to seriously ask our selves is it time to stop labeling threads. @Nekki time for another poll thread I think.
These are the real questions. Why won't anyone think of the mental health of a thread? We just treat them like dirt, fill them up with our words and when we're done with them, abandon them. To make it worse, sometimes people dig up their corpses months or even years later just to use them to inflate their post count and then abandon them like trash.
@root said: This would mean labelling such people, which in their eyes would take away their freedom of expression and definition without labels.
But of course nobody sees it as a problem when we label threads, just because we dehumanize them first does it really make it some how better than labeling people ? We need to seriously ask our selves is it time to stop labeling threads. @Nekki time for another poll thread I think.
These are the real questions. Why won't anyone think of the mental health of a thread? We just treat them like dirt, fill them up with our words and when we're done with them, abandon them. To make is worse, sometimes people dig up their corpses months or even years later just to use them to inflate their post count and then abandon them like trash.
What animals we are.
This comment was very moving for me. So I be back it a few minutes.
@root said: This would mean labelling such people, which in their eyes would take away their freedom of expression and definition without labels.
But of course nobody sees it as a problem when we label threads, just because we dehumanize them first does it really make it some how better than labeling people ? We need to seriously ask our selves is it time to stop labeling threads. @Nekki time for another poll thread I think.
These are the real questions. Why won't anyone think of the mental health of a thread? We just treat them like dirt, fill them up with our words and when we're done with them, abandon them. To make is worse, sometimes people dig up their corpses months or even years later just to use them to inflate their post count and then abandon them like trash.
What animals we are.
This comment was very moving for me. So I be back it a few minutes.
Treat yourself to some lube and a glove, have a posh one.
@root said: This would mean labelling such people, which in their eyes would take away their freedom of expression and definition without labels.
But of course nobody sees it as a problem when we label threads, just because we dehumanize them first does it really make it some how better than labeling people ? We need to seriously ask our selves is it time to stop labeling threads. @Nekki time for another poll thread I think.
These are the real questions. Why won't anyone think of the mental health of a thread? We just treat them like dirt, fill them up with our words and when we're done with them, abandon them. To make is worse, sometimes people dig up their corpses months or even years later just to use them to inflate their post count and then abandon them like trash.
What animals we are.
This comment was very moving for me. So I be back it a few minutes.
This starts to get emotional, like a fuzzy Christmas filled with snowflakes.
@root said: This would mean labelling such people, which in their eyes would take away their freedom of expression and definition without labels.
But of course nobody sees it as a problem when we label threads, just because we dehumanize them first does it really make it some how better than labeling people ? We need to seriously ask our selves is it time to stop labeling threads. @Nekki time for another poll thread I think.
These are the real questions. Why won't anyone think of the mental health of a thread? We just treat them like dirt, fill them up with our words and when we're done with them, abandon them. To make is worse, sometimes people dig up their corpses months or even years later just to use them to inflate their post count and then abandon them like trash.
What animals we are.
This comment was very moving for me. So I be back it a few minutes.
This starts to get emotional, like a fuzzy Christmas filled with snowflakes.
It was not that type of movement I was speaking of.
@root said: This would mean labelling such people, which in their eyes would take away their freedom of expression and definition without labels.
But of course nobody sees it as a problem when we label threads, just because we dehumanize them first does it really make it some how better than labeling people ? We need to seriously ask our selves is it time to stop labeling threads. @Nekki time for another poll thread I think.
These are the real questions. Why won't anyone think of the mental health of a thread? We just treat them like dirt, fill them up with our words and when we're done with them, abandon them. To make is worse, sometimes people dig up their corpses months or even years later just to use them to inflate their post count and then abandon them like trash.
What animals we are.
This comment was very moving for me. So I be back it a few minutes.
This starts to get emotional, like a fuzzy Christmas filled with snowflakes.
Was the real meaning of Christmas being offended by everything and everyone that didn't align precisely with my own point of view?
@AlwaysSkint said:
Devil's Advocate..
Admittedly IT is a male dominated environment and most forums reflect this, in content, style and character. The OGF must really alienate the "fairer sex" and LES is following suit, from what I read. A balanced approach to the forum, should take gender into account but not pander to the snowflakes.
/Advocate
I'm inclined to agree with this take, but I haven't really identified the best way to go about addressing and fixing it. I sometimes see posts that could definitely be considered alienating or borderline hostile to the opposite sex but don't have a good idea yet on how to tackle it -- redirect, ask to knock it off, move the comment, add new rules, etc. -- so that it doesn't open a can of worms or result in us needing to take a more active approach to moderation.
I'm also not a fan of the boys will be boys adage, so I don't want this to just get brushed under the rug either with a blanket excuse and free pass. Open to any thoughts or ideas.
@AlwaysSkint said:
Devil's Advocate..
Admittedly IT is a male dominated environment and most forums reflect this, in content, style and character. The OGF must really alienate the "fairer sex" and LES is following suit, from what I read. A balanced approach to the forum, should take gender into account but not pander to the snowflakes.
/Advocate
I'm inclined to agree with this take, but I haven't really identified the best way to go about addressing and fixing it. I sometimes see posts that could definitely be considered alienating or borderline hostile to the opposite sex but don't have a good idea yet on how to tackle it -- redirect, ask to knock it off, move the comment, add new rules, etc. -- so that it doesn't open a can of worms or result in us needing to take a more active approach to moderation.
I'm also not a fan of the boys will be boys adage, so I don't want this to just get brushed under the rug either with a blanket excuse and free pass. Open to any thoughts or ideas.
/Snowflake out
Implement the sexism alarm bot. Whenever you see a post, trigger the bot. The bot will shame people.
@AlwaysSkint said:
Devil's Advocate..
Admittedly IT is a male dominated environment and most forums reflect this, in content, style and character. The OGF must really alienate the "fairer sex" and LES is following suit, from what I read. A balanced approach to the forum, should take gender into account but not pander to the snowflakes.
/Advocate
I'm inclined to agree with this take, but I haven't really identified the best way to go about addressing and fixing it. I sometimes see posts that could definitely be considered alienating or borderline hostile to the opposite sex but don't have a good idea yet on how to tackle it -- redirect, ask to knock it off, move the comment, add new rules, etc. -- so that it doesn't open a can of worms or result in us needing to take a more active approach to moderation.
I'm also not a fan of the boys will be boys adage, so I don't want this to just get brushed under the rug either with a blanket excuse and free pass. Open to any thoughts or ideas.
/Snowflake out
TL/DR:
We aren't hostile, we're just dull.
LONG DRIVEL:
Wherever I socialize IRL, communication and atmosphere are different when there are women around, compared to an all-boys company. Most men know how to (not) behave with women.
There are a lot fewer women interested in IT compared to men - at least in my country/area. Even today, when it is viewed as a "dream job" because it "pays very well," IT-related jobs and interests, in general, are not nearly as popular with women as they are with men.
The same goes for football and coal mining. As opposed to social studies and medicine, where the numbers are reversed.
Having said all that, perhaps those poor souls that @Hetzner_OL forces to come here every now and then could shed some light on stuff I may have overlooked and point out in an idiot-friendly manner what we could do to make it easier for any women to feel welcome and accepted here.
Ok this is a serious post, can't believe I had to type that out. I believe that is something on the internet offends you and you can't move past it then you are in the wrong place. I have had this discussion with others before. You are free to say what ever you like, if you expect others to change who they are for you, then YOU are the problem not them.
No one should have to change to meet others expectations. If it offends you and you get upset over it that is your personal problem.
As for the fairer sex in this industry. Some get offended by others existing at all. They think just because we have differences that we automatically think we are better. You will never change this behavior. What they don't realize is that they are welcome to join and become part of the group. We don't care who you are, what clothes you wear, or anything.
YOU can choose what topics you want to join. YOU can choose if you join in the banter. YOU want no banter skip over it and read the parts that interest you. There are all kinds of posts here, some technical and some that are meant to be funny. Just like the outside world.
Take it or leave it, does not matter if you are male, female, gay, straight, whatever you identify with in my eyes you are all equal. You are welcome to join in my banter or in any tech discussion I may have, but DON'T ask me to change who and what I am, that's not cool because I will NEVER ask you to change.
@AlwaysSkint said:
Devil's Advocate..
Admittedly IT is a male dominated environment and most forums reflect this, in content, style and character. The OGF must really alienate the "fairer sex" and LES is following suit, from what I read. A balanced approach to the forum, should take gender into account but not pander to the snowflakes.
/Advocate
I'm inclined to agree with this take, but I haven't really identified the best way to go about addressing and fixing it. I sometimes see posts that could definitely be considered alienating or borderline hostile to the opposite sex but don't have a good idea yet on how to tackle it -- redirect, ask to knock it off, move the comment, add new rules, etc. -- so that it doesn't open a can of worms or result in us needing to take a more active approach to moderation.
I'm also not a fan of the boys will be boys adage, so I don't want this to just get brushed under the rug either with a blanket excuse and free pass. Open to any thoughts or ideas.
/Snowflake out
Well I guess we should ask the women that are here to PM us any of the suggestions they think may help or what they find offensive or not. Since if we want to take their view points into consideration we probably should familiarize ourselves with what they actually are as opposed to what we think they are or should be. My wife sees a lot of what goes on here and she is seldomly offended, and mostly just thinks we have the attitudes of children.
@AuroraZero said: Ok this is a serious post, can't believe I had to type that out.
tldr - @AuroraZero didn't choose the Yeti life, the Yeti life CHOSE HIM
@FrankZ said: My wife sees a lot of what goes on here and she is seldomly offended, and mostly just thinks we have the attitudes of children.
Yeah - I can see that. My assumption on what may or may not offend other genders may also be way off base as well. I'm not attempting to position LES to be a "safe space" in any sense... just a friendly one
I want to be full time troll if I get the Troll tag.
I admit you do a pretty good job trolling, but there is only one official troll tag and @deank has it.
I am not sure, but I expect that it is a hereditary title that will be passed on from him to his oldest troll off spring.
Maybe you could ask him to adopt you ?
@AuroraZero said:
YOU can choose what topics you want to join. YOU can choose if you join in the banter. YOU want no banter skip over it and read the parts that interest you. There are all kinds of posts here, some technical and some that are meant to be funny. Just like the outside world.
On the surface, this sounds reasonable, but actually what this translates to is wanting to perpetuate the status quo.
Take it or leave it, does not matter if you are male, female, gay, straight, whatever you identify with in my eyes you are all equal. You are welcome to join in my banter or in any tech discussion I may have, but DON'T ask me to change who and what I am, that's not cool because I will NEVER ask you to change.
Would you be as equally cool with an overt racist posting on here, saying "Take it or leave it, does not matter if you are white, black, brown, pink, whatever you identify with in my eyes you are all equal. You are welcome to join in my banter or in any tech discussion I may have, but DON'T ask me to change who and what I am, that's not cool because I will NEVER ask you to change."
Personally, I think the vast majority of us would consider that to be an inappropriate stance to take for racism. If so, why should it be any different for sexism?
@AuroraZero said:
YOU can choose what topics you want to join. YOU can choose if you join in the banter. YOU want no banter skip over it and read the parts that interest you. There are all kinds of posts here, some technical and some that are meant to be funny. Just like the outside world.
On the surface, this sounds reasonable, but actually what this translates to is wanting to perpetuate the status quo.
The status quo is nice. It is an actual modus vivendi based on liberal thinking implying toleration.
Take it or leave it, does not matter if you are male, female, gay, straight, whatever you identify with in my eyes you are all equal. You are welcome to join in my banter or in any tech discussion I may have, but DON'T ask me to change who and what I am, that's not cool because I will NEVER ask you to change.
Would you be as equally cool with an overt racist posting on here, saying "Take it or leave it, does not matter if you are white, black, brown, pink, whatever you identify with in my eyes you are all equal. You are welcome to join in my banter or in any tech discussion I may have, but DON'T ask me to change who and what I am, that's not cool because I will NEVER ask you to change."
Personally, I think the vast majority of us would consider that to be an inappropriate stance to take for racism. If so, why should it be any different for sexism?
There is nothing racist in "take it or leave it". It means tolerate one another, or find something extreme dedicated just for you. Nobody should change nobody = take it or leave it.
This is like going to a fast-food. We have a burger, this is the burger, take it or leave it. If you want to change it, it's not acceptable, we will not change the burger recipe for you. The chef will be offended in doing so.
@root said:
There is nothing racist in "take it or leave it". It means tolerate one another, or find something extreme dedicated just for you. Nobody should change nobody = take it or leave it.
My point was that we wouldn't tolerate people being openly racist here, even if they justified it as "oh, this is just me being me, i don't really mean any offence, you don't have to read it, move along and read something else".
@root said:
There is nothing racist in "take it or leave it". It means tolerate one another, or find something extreme dedicated just for you. Nobody should change nobody = take it or leave it.
My point was that we wouldn't tolerate people being openly racist here, even if they justified it as "oh, this is just me being me, i don't really mean any offence, you don't have to read it, move along and read something else".
If a person is racist, it's their problem. But if that racism manifests into offence, then we have a problem not because of identity, but because of behaviour ("don't be a dick" rule).
@root said:
There is nothing racist in "take it or leave it". It means tolerate one another, or find something extreme dedicated just for you. Nobody should change nobody = take it or leave it.
My point was that we wouldn't tolerate people being openly racist here, even if they justified it as "oh, this is just me being me, i don't really mean any offence, you don't have to read it, move along and read something else".
If a person is racist, it's their problem. But if that racism manifests into offence, then we have a problem not because of identity, but because of behaviour ("don't be a dick" rule).
So, to repeat the last part of my comment: If so, why should it be any different for sexism?
@root said:
There is nothing racist in "take it or leave it". It means tolerate one another, or find something extreme dedicated just for you. Nobody should change nobody = take it or leave it.
My point was that we wouldn't tolerate people being openly racist here, even if they justified it as "oh, this is just me being me, i don't really mean any offence, you don't have to read it, move along and read something else".
If a person is racist, it's their problem. But if that racism manifests into offence, then we have a problem not because of identity, but because of behaviour ("don't be a dick" rule).
So, to repeat the last part of my comment: If so, why should it be any different for sexism?
@ralf - I think the original question was do we as a generally male community say things that are not overtly sexist, but may be offensive to women who are members here. It was just a question that was raised by Mason to be considered, @AuroraZero chimed in with his opinion, nothing more. There is no question that the community and staff are not very tolerant of racist or sexist comments directed at any member. Personally I do not think that @AuroraZero was saying we should be sexist on purpose, more that there was no need to change/restrict the community speech because women may be present here.
I think there are multiple instances, which could make some posts more or less offensive.
Language Barrier
Geopolitical backgrounds
Age
Industry
may more....
Let me explain, what i mean with these points:
For me, as a non-native English speaker, there are times, where i think in Swiss German and write in English. After rereading, it 3h later i often think: "Damn i am an Idiot, why i wrote it that way"
The background of a person where he may have grown up, or lives has from my view also a big influence of the used Language and the behavior.
For example.
"Du Trottel, besch anad Zdumm zum schissa?" (Swiss German)
"Du Idiot, bist du eingentlich zum dumm um zu scheissen?" (German)
"You idiot, are you actually too stupid to shit?" (English)
This sentence can be used in different situations/moods from a Vocal point of view, but if i write this in a Forum, Chat or what else, there is no way to determine if the person means this as a Joke, or in full seriousness.
Here, where I live, it is to 90% meant as a joke. In here plays also the age and the working industry a big role from my POV.
A person working in a craft professions like roofer, mason or what ever has another language than the same guy from the same Street in an Office Job.
For the Gender Drama which has come up the last few years.
I will not say anything to that, as my English is for sure not good enough to bring my POV in the right words to a letter.
@FrankZ said: @ralf - I think the original question was do we as a generally male community say things that are not overtly sexist, but may be offensive to women who are members here. It was just a question that was raised by Mason to be considered, @AuroraZero chimed in with his opinion, nothing more. There is no question that the community and staff are not very tolerant of racist or sexist comments directed at any member. Personally I do not think that @AuroraZero was saying we should be sexist on purpose, more that there was no need to change/restrict the community speech because women may be present here.
I think the rule "don't be a dick" covers it all pretty nicely.
You can't please everyone no matter what you do - so it is up to LESbians to determine what the right merit is, and where the line is between the freedom of expression and being a dick.
Regarding culture and "abuse" - this video is quite fun, if not educational - how reddit political correct moderation can go wrong:
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i started to think @AlwaysSkint speaks like
In Serbia, we don't say "I don't give a shit," we say "my dick hurts" - and I think it's beautiful!
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But of course nobody sees it as a problem when we label threads, just because we dehumanize them first does it really make it some how better than labeling people ? We need to seriously ask our selves is it time to stop labeling threads. @Nekki time for another poll thread I think.
Masochist!
In stasis until the shitposting stops/abates.
Than=compare;then=sequence:brought=bring;bought=buy:staffs=pile of sticks:informations/infos=no plural.
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Heeelp! Can I go home now?
In stasis until the shitposting stops/abates.
Than=compare;then=sequence:brought=bring;bought=buy:staffs=pile of sticks:informations/infos=no plural.
It wisnae me! A big boy done it and ran away. || NVMe2G for life! until death (the end is nigh).
These are the real questions. Why won't anyone think of the mental health of a thread? We just treat them like dirt, fill them up with our words and when we're done with them, abandon them. To make it worse, sometimes people dig up their corpses months or even years later just to use them to inflate their post count and then abandon them like trash.
What animals we are.
This comment was very moving for me. So I be back it a few minutes.
Treat yourself to some lube and a glove, have a posh one.
This starts to get emotional, like a fuzzy Christmas filled with snowflakes.
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It was not that type of movement I was speaking of.
Was the real meaning of Christmas being offended by everything and everyone that didn't align precisely with my own point of view?
LES is cool
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End be like
"The imitator dooms himself to hopeless mediocrity." — Ralph Waldo Emerson
Taco Bell had it right...
yabs daddy
When has Taco Bell ever been wrong?
A nice dream: LES meeting at a Taco Bell.
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Then onto a strip club to get thrown out for touching the dancers, before going back to Taco Bell to eat away the hangover?
Exactly. You read my mind.
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I'm inclined to agree with this take, but I haven't really identified the best way to go about addressing and fixing it. I sometimes see posts that could definitely be considered alienating or borderline hostile to the opposite sex but don't have a good idea yet on how to tackle it -- redirect, ask to knock it off, move the comment, add new rules, etc. -- so that it doesn't open a can of worms or result in us needing to take a more active approach to moderation.
I'm also not a fan of the boys will be boys adage, so I don't want this to just get brushed under the rug either with a blanket excuse and free pass. Open to any thoughts or ideas.
/Snowflake out
yabs daddy
One day, possibly shortly before we're eradicated by nuclear war, we'll make it happen.
Implement the sexism alarm bot. Whenever you see a post, trigger the bot. The bot will shame people.
TL/DR:
We aren't hostile, we're just dull.
LONG DRIVEL:
Wherever I socialize IRL, communication and atmosphere are different when there are women around, compared to an all-boys company. Most men know how to (not) behave with women.
There are a lot fewer women interested in IT compared to men - at least in my country/area. Even today, when it is viewed as a "dream job" because it "pays very well," IT-related jobs and interests, in general, are not nearly as popular with women as they are with men.
The same goes for football and coal mining. As opposed to social studies and medicine, where the numbers are reversed.
Having said all that, perhaps those poor souls that @Hetzner_OL forces to come here every now and then could shed some light on stuff I may have overlooked and point out in an idiot-friendly manner what we could do to make it easier for any women to feel welcome and accepted here.
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Ok this is a serious post, can't believe I had to type that out. I believe that is something on the internet offends you and you can't move past it then you are in the wrong place. I have had this discussion with others before. You are free to say what ever you like, if you expect others to change who they are for you, then YOU are the problem not them.
No one should have to change to meet others expectations. If it offends you and you get upset over it that is your personal problem.
As for the fairer sex in this industry. Some get offended by others existing at all. They think just because we have differences that we automatically think we are better. You will never change this behavior. What they don't realize is that they are welcome to join and become part of the group. We don't care who you are, what clothes you wear, or anything.
YOU can choose what topics you want to join. YOU can choose if you join in the banter. YOU want no banter skip over it and read the parts that interest you. There are all kinds of posts here, some technical and some that are meant to be funny. Just like the outside world.
Take it or leave it, does not matter if you are male, female, gay, straight, whatever you identify with in my eyes you are all equal. You are welcome to join in my banter or in any tech discussion I may have, but DON'T ask me to change who and what I am, that's not cool because I will NEVER ask you to change.
The Yeti has left the building.
Well I guess we should ask the women that are here to PM us any of the suggestions they think may help or what they find offensive or not. Since if we want to take their view points into consideration we probably should familiarize ourselves with what they actually are as opposed to what we think they are or should be. My wife sees a lot of what goes on here and she is seldomly offended, and mostly just thinks we have the attitudes of children.
tldr - @AuroraZero didn't choose the Yeti life, the Yeti life CHOSE HIM
Yeah - I can see that. My assumption on what may or may not offend other genders may also be way off base as well. I'm not attempting to position LES to be a "safe space" in any sense... just a friendly one
yabs daddy
So….poll?
Tent pole?
The Yeti has left the building.
I’m game if everyone else is.
Don't fall for this. You know what type of tent pole he is talking about, right.
and no I am not going to spell it out for anyone.
An actual tent pole? Disappoint.
The Yeti has left the building.
I heard that Poles make great welders.
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I want to be full time troll if I get the Troll tag.
We accept Karma donations for the last flan. 🍮 affbrr
Have to fight me for that tag. Good luck and god speed.
The Yeti has left the building.
I admit you do a pretty good job trolling, but there is only one official troll tag and @deank has it.
I am not sure, but I expect that it is a hereditary title that will be passed on from him to his oldest troll off spring.
Maybe you could ask him to adopt you ?
No. Just no! He will start forming a whole sect of trolls.
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On the surface, this sounds reasonable, but actually what this translates to is wanting to perpetuate the status quo.
Would you be as equally cool with an overt racist posting on here, saying "Take it or leave it, does not matter if you are white, black, brown, pink, whatever you identify with in my eyes you are all equal. You are welcome to join in my banter or in any tech discussion I may have, but DON'T ask me to change who and what I am, that's not cool because I will NEVER ask you to change."
Personally, I think the vast majority of us would consider that to be an inappropriate stance to take for racism. If so, why should it be any different for sexism?
The status quo is nice. It is an actual modus vivendi based on liberal thinking implying toleration.
There is nothing racist in "take it or leave it". It means tolerate one another, or find something extreme dedicated just for you. Nobody should change nobody = take it or leave it.
This is like going to a fast-food. We have a burger, this is the burger, take it or leave it. If you want to change it, it's not acceptable, we will not change the burger recipe for you. The chef will be offended in doing so.
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My point was that we wouldn't tolerate people being openly racist here, even if they justified it as "oh, this is just me being me, i don't really mean any offence, you don't have to read it, move along and read something else".
If a person is racist, it's their problem. But if that racism manifests into offence, then we have a problem not because of identity, but because of behaviour ("don't be a dick" rule).
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So, to repeat the last part of my comment: If so, why should it be any different for sexism?
It's not.
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@ralf - I think the original question was do we as a generally male community say things that are not overtly sexist, but may be offensive to women who are members here. It was just a question that was raised by Mason to be considered, @AuroraZero chimed in with his opinion, nothing more. There is no question that the community and staff are not very tolerant of racist or sexist comments directed at any member. Personally I do not think that @AuroraZero was saying we should be sexist on purpose, more that there was no need to change/restrict the community speech because women may be present here.
I think there are multiple instances, which could make some posts more or less offensive.
may more....
Let me explain, what i mean with these points:
For me, as a non-native English speaker, there are times, where i think in Swiss German and write in English. After rereading, it 3h later i often think: "Damn i am an Idiot, why i wrote it that way"
The background of a person where he may have grown up, or lives has from my view also a big influence of the used Language and the behavior.
For example.
"Du Trottel, besch anad Zdumm zum schissa?" (Swiss German)
"Du Idiot, bist du eingentlich zum dumm um zu scheissen?" (German)
"You idiot, are you actually too stupid to shit?" (English)
This sentence can be used in different situations/moods from a Vocal point of view, but if i write this in a Forum, Chat or what else, there is no way to determine if the person means this as a Joke, or in full seriousness.
Here, where I live, it is to 90% meant as a joke. In here plays also the age and the working industry a big role from my POV.
A person working in a craft professions like roofer, mason or what ever has another language than the same guy from the same Street in an Office Job.
For the Gender Drama which has come up the last few years.
I will not say anything to that, as my English is for sure not good enough to bring my POV in the right words to a letter.
But one question i would have @Mods:
Where there any comment "Flags" or PM's which got to you from a User about gender harrasment or sexism?
Grab your vmWare toblerone today.
Not to my knowledge.
I think the rule "don't be a dick" covers it all pretty nicely.
You can't please everyone no matter what you do - so it is up to LESbians to determine what the right merit is, and where the line is between the freedom of expression and being a dick.
Regarding culture and "abuse" - this video is quite fun, if not educational - how reddit political correct moderation can go wrong:
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