Attention: NVMeNetworks Carding Scam | Cancel Compromised CC#'s and PayPal Subscriptions Immediately

iaecm

Admin note:

Blake Shepherd from the now deadpooled NVMeNetworks (also HostMyVM & Twistic LTD) is reportedly using Credit Card #'s and PayPal subscriptions/billing agreements to fraudulently charge prior customers. Take care to cancel ALL PayPal subscriptions and billing agreements to NVMeNetworks and if you entered credit card information directly then check for and dispute any fraudulent charges and cancel the card ASAP.

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Many people found that their credit card accounts were stolen by NvmeNetworks these two days. The transfer amount ranges from £260 to £1000, and maybe more victims are on the way. If you think your credit card details are leaked to them, better to take some actions.

Some sources:
https://www.nodeseek.com/post-2935-1

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Mod Edit: NVMeNetworks is now reported to be operating as
https://hostmyvm.org/
https://virthost.co/
https://mylir.co.uk/

dosai

@Hostaris help

DP

@iaecm said: The transfer amount ranges from £260 to £1000

Transfer to?

cybertech

oh my god

iaecm

@TheDP said:

@iaecm said: The transfer amount ranges from £260 to £1000

Transfer to?

Added

Dazzle

Twistic LTD
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/11616161/persons-with-significant-control

Samuel Blake's newest operation (HostMyVM LTD)
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/14695050

Already scammed people
https://www.trustpilot.com/review/hostmyvm.org

https://breached.vc/Thread-HostMyVM-Windows-Linux-RDP-SSH-VM-Cheapest-cracking-allowed-Instant-Setup

warmingforg

@Hostaris Your are right, Blake steal money. Where is Blake, can you traceroute him?

FrankZ

@Dazzle said:
Samuel Blake's newest operation (HostMyVM LTD)
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/14695050

Not sure who Samuel Blake is but NVMeNetworks (Twistic LTD) and the new company (HostMyVM) is owned by Blake Shepherd.
I'm going to move this thread to "General" so it may be seen by more people.

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@warmingforg said:
@Hostaris Your are right, Blake steal money. Where is Blake, can you traceroute him?

@Hostaris IMO you should not get involved in this.

warmingforg

Paypal dispute resolved successfully!

Dazzle

@FrankZ said:
Not sure who Samuel Blake is but NVMeNetworks (Twistic LTD) and the new company (HostMyVM) is owned by Blake Shepherd.

Ah sorry, messed with Samuel Borril (Hostaris owner). Yes, it is Blake Shepherd.

Encoders

everybody calm down, it's happening! bring your popcorn

Neoon

How?
If you enter your credit card details, they are usually stored somewhere else.

That would imply, that they did that on purpose, and either abused or sold them.

Jab

@Neoon said: If you enter your credit card details, they are usually stored somewhere else.

Yes and No.

Yes - if you nasty and abuse you can save number, data, cvv2 locally and then try to charge those.

No - you don't need to have card number, CVV2 etc if website operator "saved" card for later use in payment processor (like Stripe[1]) - the payment processor most of the times grants website operator something like token/customer_object and you can just "try" to charge using this token/object - for all kinds of subscriptions and scheduled payments etc.
Quick rename of company (in Stripe) from NVMenetworks to Twistic Limited and maybe no one will notice? This is suicided as it's still connected to the same company, same PI, easy for police to figure shit out

also: If you nasty here - you have no idea if you saved card or not in theirs interface - maybe you clicked "NOT SAVE", but they ignored it on purpose and it was just planned to abuse it. Maybe there was never option to "NOT SAVE" and it goes by default.

I have no idea what NVMENetworks used, just an example
[1] https://stripe.com/docs/saving-cards

REMINDER: For shady/testing website please use one-time use only cards - sure, if they turn out 'good' in a month/year you will need to provide card details again.... but at least you are save from shit like that.

carlin0

Trusting is good, but not trusting is better...
on the internet I pay only with Paypal

Neoon

@Jab said:

@Neoon said: If you enter your credit card details, they are usually stored somewhere else.

Yes and No.

Yes - if you nasty and abuse you can save number, data, cvv2 locally and then try to charge those.

No - you don't need to have card number, CVV2 etc if website operator "saved" card for later use in payment processor (like Stripe[1]) - the payment processor most of the times grants website operator something like token/customer_object and you can just "try" to charge using this token/object - for all kinds of subscriptions and scheduled payments etc.
Quick rename of company (in Stripe) from NVMenetworks to Twistic Limited and maybe no one will notice? This is suicided as it's still connected to the same company, same PI, easy for police to figure shit out

also: If you nasty here - you have no idea if you saved card or not in theirs interface - maybe you clicked "NOT SAVE", but they ignored it on purpose and it was just planned to abuse it. Maybe there was never option to "NOT SAVE" and it goes by default.

I have no idea what NVMENetworks used, just an example
[1] https://stripe.com/docs/saving-cards

REMINDER: For shady/testing website please use one-time use only cards - sure, if they turn out 'good' in a month/year you will need to provide card details again.... but at least you are save from shit like that.

Pretty sure Paypal had a cap on these payments.
You could only change them by x%.

Jab

@Neoon said: Pretty sure Paypal had a cap on these payments.
You could only change them by x%.

No idea. Seems like a smart (and not smart) idea at the same time - what if I have (hypothetically) linked my Paypal to a shop like Amazon and after few 10$ transactions I decided to buy a TV for 1500$? Should it just fail?
Or I just bought test/promo package for 1$ on MyImaginativeCloudAWSHosting and then deployed fleet of my servers after successful 1 month test and my first bill is 1000$?

Plus I have no idea what is happening here - OP said "credit cards" and then proceed to paste PayPal screens. Who the fuck knows how paying via CC via PayPal works and if this is the same as those fucking "BillingID" works.

Good time to remind:

CHECK YOUR AUTOMATIC PAYMENTS IN PAYPAL AND CLEAR IT FROM questionable/random things https://www.paypal.com/myaccount/autopay/

DataRecovery

@iaecm said: The transfer amount ranges from £260 to £1000, and maybe more

After all these years, someone on LES is actually losing millions.

ralf

@DataRecovery said:

@iaecm said: The transfer amount ranges from £260 to £1000, and maybe more

After all these years, someone on LES is actually losing millions.

Millions of millipence.

Jinoo

I was maliciously stolen 260 pounds, I hope I can get a refund sooner

havoc

I'm just amazed that people are handing over CCs with 1000+ capacity in an industry full of deadpools

Use a prepaid card or paypal or something lol

Mason

Thread announced and title changed for more visibility and awareness.

cybertech

someone should hunt this motherfucker down.

MichaelCee

@cybertech said:
someone should hunt this motherfucker down.

And do what? Pretty sure it’s a dumbass kid.

beagle

@MichaelCee said:

@cybertech said:
someone should hunt this motherfucker down.

And do what? Pretty sure it’s a dumbass kid.

Sit him on their corner facing the wall?

AuroraZero

@MichaelCee said:

@cybertech said:
someone should hunt this motherfucker down.

And do what? Pretty sure it’s a dumbass kid.

Precisely the attitude that perpetuates this shit.

If he lives with parents and is underage they need to be accountable.

If he is of legal age and does this shit he needs to be held accountable.

For far too long this has been happening without repercussion. At some point it needs to end and people held accountable.

Ahh wth am I saying nvm mind my ramblings the bankers do the same shit and nothing happens but bailouts.

terrorgen

This is criminal. Someone needs to report this to the police.

MichaelCee

@AuroraZero said:

@MichaelCee said:

@cybertech said:
someone should hunt this motherfucker down.

And do what? Pretty sure it’s a dumbass kid.

Precisely the attitude that perpetuates this shit.

If he lives with parents and is underage they need to be accountable.

If he is of legal age and does this shit he needs to be held accountable.

For far too long this has been happening without repercussion. At some point it needs to end and people held accountable.

For sure.

Pretty sure the kid has seen this and is now spamming me.

AuroraZero

@MichaelCee said:

@AuroraZero said:

@MichaelCee said:

@cybertech said:
someone should hunt this motherfucker down.

And do what? Pretty sure it’s a dumbass kid.

Precisely the attitude that perpetuates this shit.

If he lives with parents and is underage they need to be accountable.

If he is of legal age and does this shit he needs to be held accountable.

For far too long this has been happening without repercussion. At some point it needs to end and people held accountable.

For sure.

Pretty sure the kid has seen this and is now spamming me.

That sucks ass and not in the good @Nekki way.

Kick him the balls and make sure it hurts.

beanman109

Looks like the current website for Hostmyvm.org is now redirecting to google, can't wait to see what the next name is.

veren01

@havoc said:
I'm just amazed that people are handing over CCs with 1000+ capacity in an industry full of deadpools

Use a prepaid card or paypal or something lol

Use Amex and just call them for chargeback every time shit happens. They'll hunt your money down for you

Ympker

@veren01 said:

@havoc said:
I'm just amazed that people are handing over CCs with 1000+ capacity in an industry full of deadpools

Use a prepaid card or paypal or something lol

Use Amex and just call them for chargeback every time shit happens. They'll hunt your money down for you

Amex has great service in this regard. Not sure if, e.g. Revolut (which I also use) would show the same commitment.

Advin

@havoc said:
I'm just amazed that people are handing over CCs with 1000+ capacity in an industry full of deadpools

Use a prepaid card or paypal or something lol

Legally, I believe you are entitled to your money back in case something like this happens.

webz

@Advin said:

@havoc said:
I'm just amazed that people are handing over CCs with 1000+ capacity in an industry full of deadpools

Use a prepaid card or paypal or something lol

Legally, I believe you are entitled to your money back in case something like this happens.

It really depend upon your banking partner and its regulations . In India if you fucked like this then bank will say that's your fault and nothing can be done just file a case to IT Cybercrime department.

beanman109

@Ympker said:

@veren01 said:

@havoc said:
I'm just amazed that people are handing over CCs with 1000+ capacity in an industry full of deadpools

Use a prepaid card or paypal or something lol

Use Amex and just call them for chargeback every time shit happens. They'll hunt your money down for you

Amex has great service in this regard. Not sure if, e.g. Revolut (which I also use) would show the same commitment.

I think it just depends on the bank as well, my bank uses VISA but turned into absolute bloodhounds when I had to charge something back. Had the money back in like 24 hours after lodging.

Jab

Chargebacks are processed by vendors (Visa/Mastercard) not banks - at least here.
Sure, you start it at the bank, but then they forward all the info to Visa/Mastercard and they decide shit.

Sure, banks can step in and just handle that on theirs level before going M/V, but most do not.
When your bank hotline consultant making problems with chargeback just push it - it's still going to be revised by V/M (aka 3rd party and you pushing that poor guy on the phone is not a factor).

eraters

Also, for those saying that people should’ve used paypal, he had disabled it because someone opened a chargeback and he got pissed that he had to pay dispute fees.

havoc

@Ympker said:

@veren01 said:

@havoc said:
I'm just amazed that people are handing over CCs with 1000+ capacity in an industry full of deadpools

Use a prepaid card or paypal or something lol

Use Amex and just call them for chargeback every time shit happens. They'll hunt your money down for you

Amex has great service in this regard. Not sure if, e.g. Revolut (which I also use) would show the same commitment.

It's not just do I get my money back but also limiting blast radius. Revolut card 50 bucks limit vs amex with thousands.

The one is inconvenient noise the other is a cashflow crisis that bleeds into stuff like can I make rent

Milan1000

Thank god i cancelled my card only a few weeks ago i used to pay for a vps at nvmenetworks but I left nvme after it had too much downtime

Ympker

@havoc said:

@Ympker said:

@veren01 said:

@havoc said:
I'm just amazed that people are handing over CCs with 1000+ capacity in an industry full of deadpools

Use a prepaid card or paypal or something lol

Use Amex and just call them for chargeback every time shit happens. They'll hunt your money down for you

Amex has great service in this regard. Not sure if, e.g. Revolut (which I also use) would show the same commitment.

It's not just do I get my money back but also limiting blast radius. Revolut card 50 bucks limit vs amex with thousands.

The one is inconvenient noise the other is a cashflow crisis that bleeds into stuff like can I make rent

One of the reasons why many people still stick to PayPal. While it's not that good for providers, it's really.. let's say consumer friendly.

I tend to use Revolut's disposable virtual cards for (unkown) LE hosts, whenever PayPal isn't an option.

skorous

@Ympker said:

One of the reasons why many people still stick to PayPal. While it's not that good for providers, it's really.. let's say consumer friendly.

I keep reading this but both times I've had problems with providers they've been absolutely useless. I put a pox on them every time they're my only option.

I tend to use Revolut's disposable virtual cards for (unkown) LE hosts, whenever PayPal isn't an option.

Paypal is the reason I'm doing this now ( although with my Mastercard not Revolut ).

carlin0

@Ympker said:
I tend to use Revolut's disposable virtual cards for (unkown) LE hosts, whenever PayPal isn't an option.

If Paypal is not an option, I will not be a customer of that provider

Hostaris

I just want to clarify that I am NOT Blake. I have had a small handful of people in PMs accusing me of fraud. We are not in any way associated with this incident.

chris

@Hostaris said:
I just want to clarify that I am NOT Blake. I have had a small handful of people in PMs accusing me of fraud. We are not in any way associated with this incident.

We just can't take your word for it, send me your bank statements and a picture of your wife and I'll verify this for the community!

AuroraZero

@Hostaris said:
I just want to clarify that I am NOT Blake. I have had a small handful of people in PMs accusing me of fraud. We are not in any way associated with this incident.

You involved yourself with this shitshow. Don't be surprised when people don't believe you. Should have stayed way far away and not even let on you knew the owners.

Ympker

@skorous said:

@Ympker said:

One of the reasons why many people still stick to PayPal. While it's not that good for providers, it's really.. let's say consumer friendly.

I keep reading this but both times I've had problems with providers they've been absolutely useless. I put a pox on them every time they're my only option.

I tend to use Revolut's disposable virtual cards for (unkown) LE hosts, whenever PayPal isn't an option.

Paypal is the reason I'm doing this now ( although with my Mastercard not Revolut ).

I usually phone them when there's an issue. PayPal's phone support in Germany is usually very understanding and supportive.

skorupion

@Ympker said:

@skorous said:

@Ympker said:

One of the reasons why many people still stick to PayPal. While it's not that good for providers, it's really.. let's say consumer friendly.

I keep reading this but both times I've had problems with providers they've been absolutely useless. I put a pox on them every time they're my only option.

I tend to use Revolut's disposable virtual cards for (unkown) LE hosts, whenever PayPal isn't an option.

Paypal is the reason I'm doing this now ( although with my Mastercard not Revolut ).

I usually phone them when there's an issue. PayPal's phone support in Germany is usually very understanding and supportive.

Do you recon I could file a dispute with Paypal against a family & friends payment (made a mistake with something else). If not then I'll probably go through my CC

Mason

@skorupion said:

@Ympker said:

@skorous said:

@Ympker said:

One of the reasons why many people still stick to PayPal. While it's not that good for providers, it's really.. let's say consumer friendly.

I keep reading this but both times I've had problems with providers they've been absolutely useless. I put a pox on them every time they're my only option.

I tend to use Revolut's disposable virtual cards for (unkown) LE hosts, whenever PayPal isn't an option.

Paypal is the reason I'm doing this now ( although with my Mastercard not Revolut ).

I usually phone them when there's an issue. PayPal's phone support in Germany is usually very understanding and supportive.

Do you recon I could file a dispute with Paypal against a family & friends payment (made a mistake with something else). If not then I'll probably go through my CC

PP explicitly tells you that F&F payments do not come with buyer protection, thus can't be disputed. Could go the CC route, but you'll probably end up getting your PP account closed by doing that... since you agreed to the terms after all.

skorupion

@Mason said:

@skorupion said:

@Ympker said:

@skorous said:

@Ympker said:

One of the reasons why many people still stick to PayPal. While it's not that good for providers, it's really.. let's say consumer friendly.

I keep reading this but both times I've had problems with providers they've been absolutely useless. I put a pox on them every time they're my only option.

I tend to use Revolut's disposable virtual cards for (unkown) LE hosts, whenever PayPal isn't an option.

Paypal is the reason I'm doing this now ( although with my Mastercard not Revolut ).

I usually phone them when there's an issue. PayPal's phone support in Germany is usually very understanding and supportive.

Do you recon I could file a dispute with Paypal against a family & friends payment (made a mistake with something else). If not then I'll probably go through my CC

PP explicitly tells you that F&F payments do not come with buyer protection, thus can't be disputed. Could go the CC route, but you'll probably end up getting your PP account closed by doing that... since you agreed to the terms after all.

Not like that account is even legal LOL

skorupion

@skorupion said:

@Mason said:

@skorupion said:

@Ympker said:

@skorous said:

@Ympker said:

One of the reasons why many people still stick to PayPal. While it's not that good for providers, it's really.. let's say consumer friendly.

I keep reading this but both times I've had problems with providers they've been absolutely useless. I put a pox on them every time they're my only option.

I tend to use Revolut's disposable virtual cards for (unkown) LE hosts, whenever PayPal isn't an option.

Paypal is the reason I'm doing this now ( although with my Mastercard not Revolut ).

I usually phone them when there's an issue. PayPal's phone support in Germany is usually very understanding and supportive.

Do you recon I could file a dispute with Paypal against a family & friends payment (made a mistake with something else). If not then I'll probably go through my CC

PP explicitly tells you that F&F payments do not come with buyer protection, thus can't be disputed. Could go the CC route, but you'll probably end up getting your PP account closed by doing that... since you agreed to the terms after all.

Not like that account is even legal LOL

And also @SnusBoks where are my HDDs or do you want a chargeback?

skorous

@Ympker said:

I usually phone them when there's an issue.

I talked to a human on one occasion - he was equally useless. I just closed my account and disputed the transaction with my credit card. They took care of it. I'm sure PP would've been pissed that they had to eat the charge but serves 'em right as far as I'm concerned.

PayPal's phone support in Germany is usually very understanding and supportive.

German consumer protection laws must have teeth. ;-)

Hostaris

@chris said:

@Hostaris said:
I just want to clarify that I am NOT Blake. I have had a small handful of people in PMs accusing me of fraud. We are not in any way associated with this incident.

We just can't take your word for it, send me your bank statements and a picture of your wife and I'll verify this for the community!

Will do. I'm not sure if Nationwide has the option to download a statement with immediate effect, they're generated monthly - but I can send screenshots of everything. I haven't got a wife lol.

@AuroraZero said:

@Hostaris said:
I just want to clarify that I am NOT Blake. I have had a small handful of people in PMs accusing me of fraud. We are not in any way associated with this incident.

You involved yourself with this shitshow. Don't be surprised when people don't believe you. Should have stayed way far away and not even let on you knew the owners.

I know... It was a rookie mistake and I've learned from it. I'm not surprised people don't believe me - they have the right to their own opinion. But I can prove I had no involvement whatsoever in this. I haven't even spoken to him since around the 22nd Feb.