IPv6 only KVM beta testers needed

iandk

Hi there,

I'd like to do some market research for a upcoming project.
I'm currently working on extending my billing panel to support KVM nodes based on Proxmox VE.

It'll be IPv6 only + NAT64 + Reverse Proxy in the beginning, at some point I might also implement full dual stack capabilities.
Despite the IPv6 only network stack I'd like to market them as "production ready" running on reliable hardware

The beta will start next week if all goes well.

I've created a form to get some feedback on the locations and plan sizes
https://ianklemm.de/index.php/apps/forms/xAarwqrs7tpHZXDS

Please let me know if you have any questions or feedback

Thanks!
Ian

yoursunny

Where is Finnland?

iandk

@yoursunny said:
Where is Finnland?

My bad, that's the German pronunciation

Jab

For that much I buy all of them

Do you have rough pricing in mind? Kinda pointless asking what people need/wants without any price. If you gonna go cheap people gonna most likely buy bigger packages. If you gonna go expensive af because 'epic new enterprise production ready hardware' a lot of people from that form not gonna even bat an eye on your offer.

iandk

I'm not entirely sure about the pricing yet as I'm trying to find a sweet spot between affordable and still reliable/ powerful.
But I'm open for suggestions, let's take the plan below as an example, what would that be worth to you?

1 Core
512MB RAM
5-10GB NVMe with RAID 1 or 10
IPv6 + DNS64 + Reverse Proxy
1TB traffic
KVM

Thanks!

Multi_

I am unable to fill the form.

I am interested in different locations (mostly Europe). I can only choose between Storage and General purpose but I might be interested in both depending on the pricing. Same with RAM, there is no real interested in a particualar RAM amount as this depends on the other specs. I might consider a small NAT KVM box just for VPN usage if there's enough traffic aswell as good peering. I might consider a bigger box if it's stable and fast.

yoursunny

@iandk said:
1 Core
512MB RAM
5-10GB NVMe with RAID 1 or 10
IPv6 + DNS64 + Reverse Proxy
1TB traffic
KVM

$6/year in USA or Europe
$9/year in other regions

Multi_

@iandk said:
I'm not entirely sure about the pricing yet as I'm trying to find a sweet spot between affordable and still reliable/ powerful.
But I'm open for suggestions, let's take the plan below as an example, what would that be worth to you?

1 Core
512MB RAM
5-10GB NVMe with RAID 1 or 10
IPv6 + DNS64 + Reverse Proxy
1TB traffic
KVM

Thanks!

I guess I would be willing to pay up to ~$15 per year.

iandk

I was thinking of about 10€ for the specs mentioned above.

Should be fair I guess

beagle

The answer is always $7 ;-)

Internxt

@iandk said:
I was thinking of about 10€ for the specs mentioned above.

Should be fair I guess

Generally start cheaper and see the traction, then launch costlier and better margin plans. It generally works and also allow exposure to your service when you needed most.

iandk

Looking for some beta testers
Let me know if you want to give it a try!

skorupion

@iandk said:
Looking for some beta testers
Let me know if you want to give it a try!

Dmd

iandk

yep, wrote you a message

If you want to apply please just fill out fill out the form on the top and drop me a message

iandk

Few more slots available

parasquid

Filled in the form Now that my mrvm is currently in limbo, I'm looking for an alternative.

For these NAT/low cost VPS I'm not sure I'd be able to make use of fast storage, so if using spinning drives can lower the cost even more (or alternatively bump up the storage commensurately) that would be preferable (for me).

Rocketprogrammer

@parasquid said:
Filled in the form Now that my mrvm is currently in limbo, I'm looking for an alternative.

For these NAT/low cost VPS I'm not sure I'd be able to make use of fast storage, so if using spinning drives can lower the cost even more (or alternatively bump up the storage commensurately) that would be preferable (for me).

Agreed. Filled the form out, hopefully I can help test!

iandk

Sure, I'll send you a PM

Rocketprogrammer

@iandk said:
Sure, I'll send you a PM

Awesome, thanks!

james50a

Not interested in beta testing anything but filled out forum regardless. Would certainly be interesting to see a high storage ipv6 only offering ie multiple terabytes instead of <20gb ish most ipv6 only plans seem to be

iandk

yep, IPv6-only storage instances will definitely follow soon, feel free to list your "perfect plan"

iandk

Few more slots available

iaecm

Count me in.

chris

Don't need one, But looks good! Best of luck with your venture!

JBB

I'm down for some beta testing and feedback.

JBB

First thoughts on the beta:

I hit the billing tag right after creating an account: 500 / server error.

When adding a new ssh key, there's some placeholder text ("Lorem ipsum...") in the dialog.

When creating a new node, the example text in the hostname edit box is "app1.v6node.com", but entering a FQDN gives an error message of "The hostname must only contain letters and numbers.". This hostname error also de-selects the plan, region, template, and ssh keys, so you have to click on those again.

The node options dialog also has "Lorem ipsum" placeholder text. I hit the node options, but couldn't see any easy way to abort/cancel. If you hit the save button with no changes, it seems to have rebuilt the entire VM? That's a bit scary!

Add domain dialog also has placeholder text.

Not seeing 2FA, but maybe I missed it?

Good stuff: ssh key auth by default with password disabled! Running an apt update/upgrade seemed really snappy, so either a fast network or nearby mirror?

iandk

@JBB said:
First thoughts on the beta:

I hit the billing tag right after creating an account: 500 / server error.

When adding a new ssh key, there's some placeholder text ("Lorem ipsum...") in the dialog.

When creating a new node, the example text in the hostname edit box is "app1.v6node.com", but entering a FQDN gives an error message of "The hostname must only contain letters and numbers.". This hostname error also de-selects the plan, region, template, and ssh keys, so you have to click on those again.

The node options dialog also has "Lorem ipsum" placeholder text. I hit the node options, but couldn't see any easy way to abort/cancel. If you hit the save button with no changes, it seems to have rebuilt the entire VM? That's a bit scary!

Add domain dialog also has placeholder text.

Not seeing 2FA, but maybe I missed it?

Good stuff: ssh key auth by default with password disabled! Running an apt update/upgrade seemed really snappy, so either a fast network or nearby mirror?

Thank you for your feedback!

Yep, the text will get replaced when the panel gets launched.

I'll add another validation before rebuilding the vm, good catch!
To close the modal you can just click anywhere outside, but yea, I might add a button for closing.

I'm currently changing the networking backend, so far, DHCP and SLAAC are used for address assignment, but ill switch to a static configuration and set the addresses via cloud-init

iandk

Anyone wants to give the reverse proxy a try?
Comes with zero config SSL by default

skorupion

@iandk said:

@JBB said:
First thoughts on the beta:

I hit the billing tag right after creating an account: 500 / server error.

When adding a new ssh key, there's some placeholder text ("Lorem ipsum...") in the dialog.

When creating a new node, the example text in the hostname edit box is "app1.v6node.com", but entering a FQDN gives an error message of "The hostname must only contain letters and numbers.". This hostname error also de-selects the plan, region, template, and ssh keys, so you have to click on those again.

The node options dialog also has "Lorem ipsum" placeholder text. I hit the node options, but couldn't see any easy way to abort/cancel. If you hit the save button with no changes, it seems to have rebuilt the entire VM? That's a bit scary!

Add domain dialog also has placeholder text.

Not seeing 2FA, but maybe I missed it?

Good stuff: ssh key auth by default with password disabled! Running an apt update/upgrade seemed really snappy, so either a fast network or nearby mirror?

Thank you for your feedback!

Yep, the text will get replaced when the panel gets launched.

I'll add another validation before rebuilding the vm, good catch!
To close the modal you can just click anywhere outside, but yea, I might add a button for closing.

I'm currently changing the networking backend, so far, DHCP and SLAAC are used for address assignment, but ill switch to a static configuration and set the addresses via cloud-init

To be honest keep the DHCP its just better for the customer, especially on custom templates

iandk

Not really, the primary deployment method will be cloud images with cloud init installed, so you can easily access the network configuration.

But yea, for custom templates it's a bit more work.

However, the current method is not ideal for managing the firewall ipsets, that was the primary reason for the switch

iandk

Would there be interest in a location like Sydney?

TigersWay

Available for some beta-testing if needed!

parasquid

@parasquid said:
Filled in the form Now that my mrvm is currently in limbo, I'm looking for an alternative.

For these NAT/low cost VPS I'm not sure I'd be able to make use of fast storage, so if using spinning drives can lower the cost even more (or alternatively bump up the storage commensurately) that would be preferable (for me).

I wanted to try out a few more combinations and I didn't want to leave idle/unused servers around, so I wanted to delete them. Maybe I'm going blind but I can't seem to find a way to delete server instances

parasquid

@iandk said:
Would there be interest in a location like Sydney?

Sydney works for me (I move around Asia) but Singapore or Japan would be even better :P

parasquid

@iandk said:

@JBB said:
First thoughts on the beta:

I hit the billing tag right after creating an account: 500 / server error.

When adding a new ssh key, there's some placeholder text ("Lorem ipsum...") in the dialog.

When creating a new node, the example text in the hostname edit box is "app1.v6node.com", but entering a FQDN gives an error message of "The hostname must only contain letters and numbers.". This hostname error also de-selects the plan, region, template, and ssh keys, so you have to click on those again.

The node options dialog also has "Lorem ipsum" placeholder text. I hit the node options, but couldn't see any easy way to abort/cancel. If you hit the save button with no changes, it seems to have rebuilt the entire VM? That's a bit scary!

Add domain dialog also has placeholder text.

Not seeing 2FA, but maybe I missed it?

Good stuff: ssh key auth by default with password disabled! Running an apt update/upgrade seemed really snappy, so either a fast network or nearby mirror?

Thank you for your feedback!

Yep, the text will get replaced when the panel gets launched.

I'll add another validation before rebuilding the vm, good catch!
To close the modal you can just click anywhere outside, but yea, I might add a button for closing.

I'm currently changing the networking backend, so far, DHCP and SLAAC are used for address assignment, but ill switch to a static configuration and set the addresses via cloud-init

Not sure if you already have a market research strategy, but I wonder if you can keep feature requests/bug reports in some sort of public issue tracker (like a read-only trello board) and have some sort of priority list and possible voting on most requested items? Voting not necessarily meaning the democratic way but more like if there are more people looking for storage addons, they get relatively more weight than others?

iandk

@parasquid said:

@parasquid said:
Filled in the form Now that my mrvm is currently in limbo, I'm looking for an alternative.

For these NAT/low cost VPS I'm not sure I'd be able to make use of fast storage, so if using spinning drives can lower the cost even more (or alternatively bump up the storage commensurately) that would be preferable (for me).

I wanted to try out a few more combinations and I didn't want to leave idle/unused servers around, so I wanted to delete them. Maybe I'm going blind but I can't seem to find a way to delete server instances

It’s on the on the bottom, a small button called delete or destroy if I remember correctly
Seems to be hidden too well I guess hahah

iandk

@parasquid said:

@iandk said:

@JBB said:
First thoughts on the beta:

I hit the billing tag right after creating an account: 500 / server error.

When adding a new ssh key, there's some placeholder text ("Lorem ipsum...") in the dialog.

When creating a new node, the example text in the hostname edit box is "app1.v6node.com", but entering a FQDN gives an error message of "The hostname must only contain letters and numbers.". This hostname error also de-selects the plan, region, template, and ssh keys, so you have to click on those again.

The node options dialog also has "Lorem ipsum" placeholder text. I hit the node options, but couldn't see any easy way to abort/cancel. If you hit the save button with no changes, it seems to have rebuilt the entire VM? That's a bit scary!

Add domain dialog also has placeholder text.

Not seeing 2FA, but maybe I missed it?

Good stuff: ssh key auth by default with password disabled! Running an apt update/upgrade seemed really snappy, so either a fast network or nearby mirror?

Thank you for your feedback!

Yep, the text will get replaced when the panel gets launched.

I'll add another validation before rebuilding the vm, good catch!
To close the modal you can just click anywhere outside, but yea, I might add a button for closing.

I'm currently changing the networking backend, so far, DHCP and SLAAC are used for address assignment, but ill switch to a static configuration and set the addresses via cloud-init

Not sure if you already have a market research strategy, but I wonder if you can keep feature requests/bug reports in some sort of public issue tracker (like a read-only trello board) and have some sort of priority list and possible voting on most requested items? Voting not necessarily meaning the democratic way but more like if there are more people looking for storage addons, they get relatively more weight than others?

Very cool idea, I’m currently using notion, I’ll share the roadmap here and let you guys decide which features should come next

iandk

I'll some more goals in the next day, would love to hear your input regarding new features and what you'd like to see first

https://funny-suede-f78.notion.site/Roadmap-d1345d34d84f43e0b8d383a47e86d054

how

I hope to try if it supports docker.

iandk

Sure, it's full KVM

iandk

All beta nodes will get deleted today and I'll have set the backend to maintenance for a few hours to test the new IP management

iandk

Back online, feel free to order a node and play around again

Each node currently comes with a /120 IPv6, I'll get a larger IP assignment and implement larger subnets /64, /56 and /48 depending on the location

iandk

Which location would interest you the most as a second location besides Germany?

• Singapore
• Sydney
• Tokyo

spiritlhl

Tokyo

dosai

Singapore

TigersWay

Singapore, of course

iandk

The beta will end tomorrow, so let me know if you want to give it a try before it ends

how

Singapore

JBB

Weird stuff with pricing:
g1.nano shows 9/year, Stripe checkout shows 10/year for node S (!)
g1.micro shows 18/year, Stripe shows 18/yr for node M (ok)
g1.small shows 3.3/month, Stripe shows 3/month for node L (!)

If you move the slider to enable annual billing for g1.small and grab the 20% discount, it shows 36/year, but at checkout Stripe shows 32/year. Isn't 0.8 * 3.3 * 12 actually 31.68?!

After clicking through the pricing pages (but not completing the Stripe checkout), I've now got a bunch of pending nodes awaiting payment. Again, didn't expect that. Is there a way to back out of the deal cleanly?

I created a couple of g1.nano nodes, ran out of ram trying to build the spoofer, destroyed them, and created two new g1.small nodes. The IPv6 addresses were re-used, which surprised me!

The goal is to assign a /64 for each node, right?

BTW, is there a NAT64 bridge by default? I noticed some IPv4 only hosts magically worked!

edddddie

SGP!

JBB

Tried the domain feature: with port set to 80 both A and AAAA records created, I'm getting a SSL_ERROR_INTERNAL_ERROR_ALERT from Firefox. curl -v shows there's a 308 Permanent Redirect from http to https, but no cert? (curl is showing error:14077438:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:tlsv1 alert internal error).

Hmm...maybe I didn't wait long enough for caddy to grab a cert, as it seems to be working now.

Might be slick if the control panel showed the status (active or configuring) so you'd know not to hit it until it was ready.