Not a big PayPal fan. Will try without at first. Maybe add it a bit later, if it's really popular. Was planning for a post-paid system, but pre-paid is also very popular according to the survey. So will be a mix with optional auto-reload.
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@caracal said:
Sorry if this has been brought up -- any plans to integrate backup? Perhaps with borg?
First thing I did. 😄 For now backups are at the server-level, but we're looking to add this as add-on and make on-demand snapshots and restores available at the pod level. More here.
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Can the 2FA field be set to a number field so on screen keyboards will load up in number pad mode?
If post paid, are transaction fees large enough to make users with a single pod inefficient to invoice? Would it only invoice on months with a cumulative bill of at least $3 or something?
What kind of container isolation do you provide, if any? Do you have (let's say) 100 customer docker containers running on a KVM VPS, or is it more segmented like 1 customer to a VPS or container or something?
@Ironia said: Can the 2FA field be set to a number field so on screen keyboards will load up in number pad mode?
Good idea. Vuetify even got a OTP field since I implemented this. Will add one or the other.
If post paid, are transaction fees large enough to make users with a single pod inefficient to invoice? Would it only invoice on months with a cumulative bill of at least $3 or something?
Stripe charges $0.25 fixed fee. I'll probably do pre-paid only with optional automatic top-ups of (which makes it similar to post-paid). Minimum top-up amount could be $15 or so.
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@SeanP said: What kind of container isolation do you provide, if any? Do you have (let's say) 100 customer docker containers running on a KVM VPS, or is it more segmented like 1 customer to a VPS or container or something?
Every pod is separate, even if they belong to the same customer. This allows for easy migrations and using specialized hardware for some apps. Like high-storage, high-CPU, etc.
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@m4nu said:
Every pod is separate, even if they belong to the same customer. This allows for easy migrations and using specialized hardware for some apps. Like high-storage, high-CPU, etc.
Awesome, thanks for clarifying. I set up an account, but it only added $20 in credit. Is that what it is going forward for the rest of the beta? If so that's fine, just wondering. Free is free, after all
@SeanP said:
Awesome, thanks for clarifying. I set up an account, but it only added $20 in credit. Is that what it is going forward for the rest of the beta? If so that's fine, just wondering. Free is free, after all
Yes, it’s only $20 since a few weeks and we’ll switch to live payments in a few days.
If you still want more credits for testing, PM me your account email and I’ll add the difference for you.
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No worries, just checking. There aren't any apps available yet that set me on fire, just want to be ready when there are
How often are you adding new apps? What is the vetting process like? I'm sure they have to hit some particular metrics for easy of deployment and lack of necessity in in-depth config, right? Like if you made GitLab docker container available it would hammer your servers, same with the Minecraft docker container.
I checked on my umami websites there is a notif about the new version. I go to the pikapods dashboard and there is a check button about automatically update but its been a few days and its not update yet. Can you explain about the automatically updates system?
@pxnji said:
I checked on my umami websites there is a notif about the new version. I go to the pikapods dashboard and there is a check button about automatically update but its been a few days and its not update yet. Can you explain about the automatically updates system?
I test updates before updating all pods. So there will be a few days of delay between the announcement and your pod running on the new version. It’s not automatic and likely won’t be in the future. On the upside you get better stability compared to pulling blindly from upstream.
I’ll add some tooltip text to clarify this better.
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Finished implementing the payment system with some adjustments based on the feedback I got: There is now a pre-paid option with credits and optional auto recharges.
All feedback still welcome. 😀
Will move on to updating a few apps now.
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Haven't tried actually charging a payment yet, but from looking at it my thoughts are:
I love that there is now an approximate cost per month.
If you've enabled real payments, maybe delete payment methods added before 1 day ago (or whenever you flipped over from test to real payment processing).
I can type a bunch of 9's in the recharge amount field. That should probably be limited to 3 digits. No opinion on an exact number, but I think there's often a cap to prepay credit to limit the risk of fraud with stolen cards.
If you ever add convenient number buttons (e.g. $10, $25, $50), maybe add a time-based button for like 1 year (estimated). I feel like it'd make sense to do like 3 months/6 months/1 year but shorter time periods might get people under the minimum recharge amount if they're light users.
I can't seem to manage/preview auto recharge options yet. Do I need to make a real payment first to enable the option?
I just set up a Bookstack instance. Liking what I am seeing of your new service so far ... just one slight issue. No email? Bookstack uses it for email verification of new users, so that is kind of a necessary function. How will you handle emails???
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Thanks for testing and sharing your thoughts, everyone! 🙌🤗
@alento said:
I just set up a Bookstack instance. Liking what I am seeing of your new service so far ... just one slight issue. No email? Bookstack uses it for email verification of new users, so that is kind of a necessary function. How will you handle emails???
Would be best to allow adding one's own email service. I think Bookstack keeps it in some config/env file. Will make sure this is accessible and persistent.
@umzak said:
Currently there is only 1 server location, will there be another server location option? like singapore
Planning to add a US location pretty soon (talking to my colo guys in Boston already) and Japan to serve East Asia. I like Singapore too, but feel East Asia should come before SE-Asia. Also in the process of adding a second EU server for high storage apps, like PhotoPrism. Some apps will migrate there this week.
@Ironia said: I can't seem to manage/preview auto recharge options yet. Do I need to make a real payment first to enable the option?
Not implemented yet. Hopefully later today. There will be cases where auto-recharge won't work due to the bank asking for live verification. Those cases will need to top up manually or use another card. My own card does this with AWS for example.
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@umzak said:
maybe it's also good to display the most popular applications at the top, or there is a sorting by popularity, updates, alphabet, etc
Literally my other todo for the day. 😄
I'll add category tags first to find photo, wiki, monitoring, etc apps quickly. And a tag for popular apps, as you say. Roughly this UI of on/off tags:
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@m4nu said: Changed it to a simple icon instead of the color.
Now it's nicer, but actually selected filters could go green (like popular still do after clicking).
Now you can show that 'star' for popular apps next to app name! So if there is like 3-4 apps in filter/search that looks like doing the same thing - user will most likely click the star one - if it's popular, then it's prolly better/stable/notsucking/more peope use it etc.
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@Jab said:
Now it's nicer, but actually selected filters could go green (like popular still do after clicking).
Oops. Put the class on the wrong tag. Back to green now.
Now you can show that 'star' for popular apps next to app name! So if there is like 3-4 apps in filter/search that looks like doing the same thing - user will most likely click the star one - if it's popular, then it's prolly better/stable/notsucking/more peope use it etc.
Not a terrible idea really. Let me reflect on it for a bit.
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nice. now much better.
does this mean popular, the most used application on pikapods? it means applications that are in the popular category, based on realtime data, not hardcoded
@umzak said:
does this mean popular, the most used application on pikapods? it means applications that are in the popular category, based on realtime data, not hardcoded
Yes, the most used apps on Pika. Not real time for now.
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Can there be a RevShare tag for things that have the badge? It would only apply to PhotoPrism right now, but I'm assuming that someday there will be more...
If the long term target audience is still people who are not super tech savvy then maybe pull tags like "analytics" and "database" out of the main cloud and put them on a second line. Keep the complete applications more up front and center so the target audience can focus on things they understand before they notice and get scared off by the developer tools.
@Ironia said:
Can there be a RevShare tag for things that have the badge? It would only apply to PhotoPrism right now, but I'm assuming that someday there will be more...
There is already an icon next to rev share apps, but no tag filter. Not sure if someone wanted to filter for this. It's more informational, same as apps that need payment verification first (anything that can run code; keeps out crypto miners)
If the long term target audience is still people who are not super tech savvy then maybe pull tags like "analytics" and "database" out of the main cloud and put them on a second line. Keep the complete applications more up front and center so the target audience can focus on things they understand before they notice and get scared off by the developer tools.
Agreed, but in the case of the "database" category, we are talking about nocode DBs that re aimed at end users too. Not Postgres or MySQL. Will keep refining those tags, as more apps are added. The survey gave me a good idea of favored categories.
Aim for today is to add a comparison table to the frontpage to explain the difference between Google, PikaPods and running your own server. Also aimed at muggles to explain the pros and cons of each. And to finalize new servers in Hong Kong and the US to start with 3 regions next week. HK should be good for most of Asia and it's cheaper than JP or SG.
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@m4nu said:
Thanks for testing and sharing your thoughts, everyone! 🙌🤗
@alento said:
I just set up a Bookstack instance. Liking what I am seeing of your new service so far ... just one slight issue. No email? Bookstack uses it for email verification of new users, so that is kind of a necessary function. How will you handle emails???
Would be best to allow adding one's own email service. I think Bookstack keeps it in some config/env file. Will make sure this is accessible and persistent.
To expand upon this a bit ... first off I am not a dev and therefore badly screw up the terminology, so PLEASE forgive if I use the incorrect terms. My goal is to convey the idea.
I agree completely, it would be best to allow adding one's own email service. That said ...
most (all?) php apps will default to the normal php / server method of sending, without using SMTP settings within the app itself. This seems to be the case with bookstack as it is trying to connect to localhost:10025 to send emails. Maybe it is possible to have a setting for each pod where you can connect a SMTP account for the pod to send emails with? Does that make sense?
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In my scenario, 100% of my client base is in Australia meaning EU & US aren't really an option for me.
BYOVM allows the user to connect a VPS of their choice in the desired location without PikaPods opening another DC (Win-win in my eyes) Elast.io does this really well, simply by copying a command that adds a public key into their Managed platform
@dylightful said: In my scenario, 100% of my client base is in Australia meaning EU & US aren't really an option for me.
Just ordered the first server in HK. 🤗 Should be ready in a few days.
BYOVM would mean to run custom Docker images in this case? This feature was much-requested in our survey, but I'll skip it for now because it would mean a totally different target market (people who can build and know what Docker images are). Currently the focus is on normal folks, who want to run FOSS apps in a simple way to escape from the usual data harvesting companies. The former market could be served in the future with a different brand.
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@alento said: most (all?) php apps will default to the normal php / server method of sending, without using SMTP settings within the app itself. This seems to be the case with bookstack as it is trying to connect to localhost:10025 to send emails. Maybe it is possible to have a setting for each pod where you can connect a SMTP account for the pod to send emails with? Does that make sense?
We don't have many PHP apps and if so, we use the projects Docker image. So can't mess with PHP settings. While we could somehow resell email traffice, I don't think that's a good market to get into. Many others already do a good job at that. Like Mailgun, SES, etc.
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@dylightful said: In my scenario, 100% of my client base is in Australia meaning EU & US aren't really an option for me.
Just ordered the first server in HK. 🤗 Should be ready in a few days.
BYOVM would mean to run custom Docker images in this case? This feature was much-requested in our survey, but I'll skip it for now because it would mean a totally different target market (people who can build and know what Docker images are). Currently the focus is on normal folks, who want to run FOSS apps in a simple way to escape from the usual data harvesting companies. The former market could be served in the future with a different brand.
I think what he meant was to bring his own server like what runcloud/serverpilot does.
If so, that would be outside of PikaPods's goals, right?
@alento said: most (all?) php apps will default to the normal php / server method of sending, without using SMTP settings within the app itself. This seems to be the case with bookstack as it is trying to connect to localhost:10025 to send emails. Maybe it is possible to have a setting for each pod where you can connect a SMTP account for the pod to send emails with? Does that make sense?
We don't have many PHP apps and if so, we use the projects Docker image. So can't mess with PHP settings. While we could somehow resell email traffice, I don't think that's a good market to get into. Many others already do a good job at that. Like Mailgun, SES, etc.
Uhmm, I think that you missed the point ... how am I to even use Mailgun, SES, etc. since that is what your answer refers to? I am not suggesting you 'resell email traffic' but rather have some mechanism for each app to send it's outbound emails. Which, right now, they do not. At least the apps I am using do not. One doesn't need it, but the other certainly does.
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I don't think there is any modern, sane PHP application not supporting external SMTPs these days.
BookStacks: Enable SFTP access, edit .env file for BookStacks, change SMTP settings there, restart pod, done - it's using external SMTP now.
Sure, (global - per pod) localhost or mail()/sendmail would be more convenience, but then you would need to resell SES/Mailgun/Sendgrid or something and make sure you follow all theirs guidelines, have some log, expose it somewhere, let user configure domain (because we want domains!), make sure user has appropriate DNS entries ( SPF, etc). Then probably vendor lock it to two services or something (you don't want to implement 81758178578) - and people gonna be mad "WHY THERE IS NO SENDGRID!!!!1111". Seems like shit ton of work for almost zero profit... while most apps handle that internally and you just go to settings / .env and edit it there.
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Is there a chance that app view would show timestamp (or relative time?) next to Started? I clicked restart, it was so fast that I've never noticed that it worked - visual confirmation like Started (10 seconds ago) would be pretty nice.
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@dylightful said: In my scenario, 100% of my client base is in Australia meaning EU & US aren't really an option for me.
Just ordered the first server in HK. 🤗 Should be ready in a few days.
BYOVM would mean to run custom Docker images in this case? This feature was much-requested in our survey, but I'll skip it for now because it would mean a totally different target market (people who can build and know what Docker images are). Currently the focus is on normal folks, who want to run FOSS apps in a simple way to escape from the usual data harvesting companies. The former market could be served in the future with a different brand.
I think what he meant was to bring his own server like what runcloud/serverpilot does.
If so, that would be outside of PikaPods's goals, right?
@alento said:
Uhmm, I think that you missed the point ... how am I to even use Mailgun, SES, etc. since that is what your answer refers to? I am not suggesting you 'resell email traffic' but rather have some mechanism for each app to send it's outbound emails. Which, right now, they do not. At least the apps I am using do not. One doesn't need it, but the other certainly does.
Understand the potential problem. Many apps already allow you to add SMTP details. E.g. Listmonk, a Mailchimp alternative has it in the UI. Bookstack has it in the .env file (which we populate during container creation). For Nextcloud the config.php with SMTP details is also available via SFTP.
It wouldn’t be impossible to populate these settings during setup and start off with email working. Just a bit fragile and some work to set up. Limiting this to a few dozen emails from specific IPs and using a shared domain should be possible too.
So you are probably right and this will be needed eventually. I’ll put it in the “planned” category for now and look into it in a few weeks after the transition from our beta is all done.
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@m4nu I also get CAA errors when adding custom domain:
IN CAA: Server 127.0.0.53 UDP port 53 answered SERVFAILIs this for the apex/root domain ***.xyz? I don't think this works yet since the standard doesn't allow adding a CNAME for the apex.
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It was for
status.***.xyz.i love the GUI
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Not resolving as of now. In detail, we check if
dig cnameis mapped to the pod domain anddig caais empty or includessectigo.comNot a big PayPal fan. Will try without at first. Maybe add it a bit later, if it's really popular. Was planning for a post-paid system, but pre-paid is also very popular according to the survey. So will be a mix with optional auto-reload.
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I changed it to a different domain, had same error:
status.20****.xyz,dig caahas status noerror and cname looks to be correct for me.Sorry if this has been brought up -- any plans to integrate backup? Perhaps with borg?
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First thing I did. 😄 For now backups are at the server-level, but we're looking to add this as add-on and make on-demand snapshots and restores available at the pod level. More here.
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I'm back with a couple micro thoughts:
Can the 2FA field be set to a number field so on screen keyboards will load up in number pad mode?
If post paid, are transaction fees large enough to make users with a single pod inefficient to invoice? Would it only invoice on months with a cumulative bill of at least $3 or something?
What kind of container isolation do you provide, if any? Do you have (let's say) 100 customer docker containers running on a KVM VPS, or is it more segmented like 1 customer to a VPS or container or something?
Good idea. Vuetify even got a OTP field since I implemented this. Will add one or the other.
Stripe charges $0.25 fixed fee. I'll probably do pre-paid only with optional automatic top-ups of (which makes it similar to post-paid). Minimum top-up amount could be $15 or so.
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Every pod is separate, even if they belong to the same customer. This allows for easy migrations and using specialized hardware for some apps. Like high-storage, high-CPU, etc.
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Awesome, thanks for clarifying. I set up an account, but it only added $20 in credit. Is that what it is going forward for the rest of the beta? If so that's fine, just wondering. Free is free, after all
Yes, it’s only $20 since a few weeks and we’ll switch to live payments in a few days.
If you still want more credits for testing, PM me your account email and I’ll add the difference for you.
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No worries, just checking. There aren't any apps available yet that set me on fire, just want to be ready when there are
How often are you adding new apps? What is the vetting process like? I'm sure they have to hit some particular metrics for easy of deployment and lack of necessity in in-depth config, right? Like if you made GitLab docker container available it would hammer your servers, same with the Minecraft docker container.
suggestion: in Available Apps, add a search box
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Already planned. And tags to filter.
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I checked on my umami websites there is a notif about the new version. I go to the pikapods dashboard and there is a check button about automatically update but its been a few days and its not update yet. Can you explain about the automatically updates system?
we need a sorting too like the lastest apps added and information about the version of the apps.
I test updates before updating all pods. So there will be a few days of delay between the announcement and your pod running on the new version. It’s not automatic and likely won’t be in the future. On the upside you get better stability compared to pulling blindly from upstream.
I’ll add some tooltip text to clarify this better.
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Finished implementing the payment system with some adjustments based on the feedback I got: There is now a pre-paid option with credits and optional auto recharges.
All feedback still welcome. 😀
Will move on to updating a few apps now.
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Haven't tried actually charging a payment yet, but from looking at it my thoughts are:
I love that there is now an approximate cost per month.
If you've enabled real payments, maybe delete payment methods added before 1 day ago (or whenever you flipped over from test to real payment processing).
I can type a bunch of 9's in the recharge amount field. That should probably be limited to 3 digits. No opinion on an exact number, but I think there's often a cap to prepay credit to limit the risk of fraud with stolen cards.
If you ever add convenient number buttons (e.g. $10, $25, $50), maybe add a time-based button for like 1 year (estimated). I feel like it'd make sense to do like 3 months/6 months/1 year but shorter time periods might get people under the minimum recharge amount if they're light users.
I can't seem to manage/preview auto recharge options yet. Do I need to make a real payment first to enable the option?
Hey,
I just set up a Bookstack instance. Liking what I am seeing of your new service so far ... just one slight issue. No email? Bookstack uses it for email verification of new users, so that is kind of a necessary function. How will you handle emails???
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Currently there is only 1 server location, will there be another server location option? like singapore
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Thanks for testing and sharing your thoughts, everyone! 🙌🤗
Would be best to allow adding one's own email service. I think Bookstack keeps it in some config/env file. Will make sure this is accessible and persistent.
Planning to add a US location pretty soon (talking to my colo guys in Boston already) and Japan to serve East Asia. I like Singapore too, but feel East Asia should come before SE-Asia. Also in the process of adding a second EU server for high storage apps, like PhotoPrism. Some apps will migrate there this week.
Not implemented yet. Hopefully later today. There will be cases where auto-recharge won't work due to the bank asking for live verification. Those cases will need to top up manually or use another card. My own card does this with AWS for example.
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maybe it's also good to display the most popular applications at the top, or there is a sorting by popularity, updates, alphabet, etc
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Literally my other todo for the day. 😄
I'll add category tags first to find photo, wiki, monitoring, etc apps quickly. And a tag for popular apps, as you say. Roughly this UI of on/off tags:
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Done with the auto-recharge feature. And deployed a new server for PhotoPrism only, since that's pretty CPU-intensive.
Up next is the filtering/app tags.
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Tags are now up. Hope it's useful: https://www.pikapods.com/apps
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This kinda suggest "popular" is enabled by default. I guess you wanted to somehow highlight it, but it's little missleading.
Tags are hit or miss mostly due to nature. This page needs a inline search searching in name, descriptions (and tags
!)
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Agreed. Changed it to a simple icon instead of the color.
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Also true. Was planning that already.
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Now it's nicer, but actually selected filters could go green (like popular still do after clicking).
Now you can show that 'star' for popular apps next to app name! So if there is like 3-4 apps in filter/search that looks like doing the same thing - user will most likely click the star one - if it's popular, then it's prolly better/stable/notsucking/more peope use it etc.
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Oops. Put the class on the wrong tag. Back to green now.
Not a terrible idea really. Let me reflect on it for a bit.
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nice. now much better.
does this mean popular, the most used application on pikapods? it means applications that are in the popular category, based on realtime data, not hardcoded
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Yes, the most used apps on Pika. Not real time for now.
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Can there be a RevShare tag for things that have the badge? It would only apply to PhotoPrism right now, but I'm assuming that someday there will be more...
If the long term target audience is still people who are not super tech savvy then maybe pull tags like "analytics" and "database" out of the main cloud and put them on a second line. Keep the complete applications more up front and center so the target audience can focus on things they understand before they notice and get scared off by the developer tools.
There is already an icon next to rev share apps, but no tag filter. Not sure if someone wanted to filter for this. It's more informational, same as apps that need payment verification first (anything that can run code; keeps out crypto miners)
Agreed, but in the case of the "database" category, we are talking about nocode DBs that re aimed at end users too. Not Postgres or MySQL. Will keep refining those tags, as more apps are added. The survey gave me a good idea of favored categories.
Aim for today is to add a comparison table to the frontpage to explain the difference between Google, PikaPods and running your own server. Also aimed at muggles to explain the pros and cons of each. And to finalize new servers in Hong Kong and the US to start with 3 regions next week. HK should be good for most of Asia and it's cheaper than JP or SG.
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BYOYM needs to be an option before PROD, other than that, fantastic work!
Thanks! BYOYM?
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To expand upon this a bit ... first off I am not a dev and therefore badly screw up the terminology, so PLEASE forgive if I use the incorrect terms. My goal is to convey the idea.
I agree completely, it would be best to allow adding one's own email service. That said ...
most (all?) php apps will default to the normal php / server method of sending, without using SMTP settings within the app itself. This seems to be the case with bookstack as it is trying to connect to localhost:10025 to send emails. Maybe it is possible to have a setting for each pod where you can connect a SMTP account for the pod to send emails with? Does that make sense?
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In my scenario, 100% of my client base is in Australia meaning EU & US aren't really an option for me.
BYOVM allows the user to connect a VPS of their choice in the desired location without PikaPods opening another DC (Win-win in my eyes) Elast.io does this really well, simply by copying a command that adds a public key into their Managed platform
Just an idea
Just ordered the first server in HK. 🤗 Should be ready in a few days.
BYOVM would mean to run custom Docker images in this case? This feature was much-requested in our survey, but I'll skip it for now because it would mean a totally different target market (people who can build and know what Docker images are). Currently the focus is on normal folks, who want to run FOSS apps in a simple way to escape from the usual data harvesting companies. The former market could be served in the future with a different brand.
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We don't have many PHP apps and if so, we use the projects Docker image. So can't mess with PHP settings. While we could somehow resell email traffice, I don't think that's a good market to get into. Many others already do a good job at that. Like Mailgun, SES, etc.
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I think what he meant was to bring his own server like what runcloud/serverpilot does.
If so, that would be outside of PikaPods's goals, right?
Ah, got it. No, that’s not a goal. There are already solutions for that. Like Portainer.
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Uhmm, I think that you missed the point ... how am I to even use Mailgun, SES, etc. since that is what your answer refers to? I am not suggesting you 'resell email traffic' but rather have some mechanism for each app to send it's outbound emails. Which, right now, they do not. At least the apps I am using do not. One doesn't need it, but the other certainly does.
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I don't think there is any modern, sane PHP application not supporting external SMTPs these days.
BookStacks: Enable SFTP access, edit
.envfile for BookStacks, change SMTP settings there, restart pod, done - it's using external SMTP now.Sure, (global - per pod) localhost or
mail()/sendmailwould be more convenience, but then you would need to resell SES/Mailgun/Sendgrid or something and make sure you follow all theirs guidelines, have some log, expose it somewhere, let user configure domain (because we want domains!), make sure user has appropriate DNS entries ( SPF, etc). Then probably vendor lock it to two services or something (you don't want to implement 81758178578) - and people gonna be mad "WHY THERE IS NO SENDGRID!!!!1111". Seems like shit ton of work for almost zero profit... while most apps handle that internally and you just go to settings / .env and edit it there.@m4nu
Is there a chance that app view would show timestamp (or relative time?) next to
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Negative, more like Cloudron or Elast.io
Understand the potential problem. Many apps already allow you to add SMTP details. E.g. Listmonk, a Mailchimp alternative has it in the UI. Bookstack has it in the .env file (which we populate during container creation). For Nextcloud the config.php with SMTP details is also available via SFTP.
It wouldn’t be impossible to populate these settings during setup and start off with email working. Just a bit fragile and some work to set up. Limiting this to a few dozen emails from specific IPs and using a shared domain should be possible too.
So you are probably right and this will be needed eventually. I’ll put it in the “planned” category for now and look into it in a few weeks after the transition from our beta is all done.
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