VirtFusion · NEW On-Premise Virtual Server Control Panel

VirtFusion

Hi LowEnd hosts and community!

We have recently launched our new on-premise virtual server control panel VirtFusion specifically targeting the KVM VPS hosting market.

A fresh new approach has been taken with our product that’s been built from the ground up. We've not attempted to be compatible with some of the older solutions like SolusVM, Virtualizor, etc… because to do so, would force us to invest valued time in older technologies and possibly add fundamental weaknesses, instead, we've used the latest methods employing official distribution images and cloud-init (Yes we support windows too) so that your customers can have the service they deserve.

We have billing integrations with WHMCS, Blesta, Clientexec and are in talks with Hostbill. All integrations are basic so far however, they provide automated VPS creation, suspension, and termination with a direct login bridge to VirtFusion for the customer.

Our pricing model is fair - We are giving discounts to early adopters that will last the lifetime of the license (including any changes within the license).

We do not believe in a per VPS or CPU core model, this has shown time and time again that outside a top tier enterprise, it’s just not a good fit, instead we have stuck to the proven per hypervisor model.

We have listened to everyone, tested all theories, and are at the stage we are happy to launch, now our closed beta program is over.

Most of all we are human and have connections to the LE* industry, so we are excited to start promoting our product here.

Please feel free to ask any and all questions, we can't wait to engage.

Any hosting providers that would like to follow our progress can also connect with us on Discord.

Thanks for your time and we'll be back with a more in-depth post next week.

Phill

https://virtfusion.com

DP

Looks good.

Well done 👍

Amadex

It looks nice, congrats

contactwajeeh

Upgrade possible later in time with discount?

Say from single to unlimited?

mikho

Who are ”we”?
Would love a short presentation… 25-30 powerpoint slides would be enough.

InceptionHosting

Finally, a cloud init based deployment option will be in touch as should everyone else be I expect.

VirtFusion

@contactwajeeh said:
Upgrade possible later in time with discount?

Say from single to unlimited?

Correct. Any options within the license can be upgraded at the early pricing for the lifetime of the license. Even if its three years later.

VirtFusion

@mikho said:
Who are ”we”?
Would love a short presentation… 25-30 powerpoint slides would be enough.

We are us. Phill (SolusVM founder) and currently a very small team.

The slides.. erm.. please don’t make me do that. Had enough in the last job!

VirtFusion

@InceptionHosting said:
Finally, a cloud init based deployment option will be in touch as should everyone else be I expect.

Thanks Ant. I guess all the constructive criticism from you over the years has contributed towards this!

mikho

@VirtFusion said:

@mikho said:
Who are ”we”?
Would love a short presentation… 25-30 powerpoint slides would be enough.

We are us. Phill (SolusVM founder) and currently a very small team.

The slides.. erm.. please don’t make me do that. Had enough in the last job!

Figured as much (you being Phill from Solus).
Wont hold my breath waiting for the ppt slides

Always nice with panels, will have a look very soon.

mikho

@VirtFusion
Oh, remembered one thing @Ant told me long ago, you made a special ”hack” for haproxy into Solus.

Is that available here?
Asking since it is a vital part of my own setup

VirtFusion

@mikho said:
@VirtFusion
Oh, remembered one thing @Ant told me long ago, you made a special ”hack” for haproxy into Solus.

Is that available here?
Asking since it is a vital part of my own setup

It’s not available yet, but we can discuss? and come up with something. There may be better ways to deal with it.

mikho

@VirtFusion said:

@mikho said:
@VirtFusion
Oh, remembered one thing @Ant told me long ago, you made a special ”hack” for haproxy into Solus.

Is that available here?
Asking since it is a vital part of my own setup

It’s not available yet, but we can discuss? and come up with something. There may be better ways to deal with it.

I’m willing to give input on a solution like that.
Using Virtualizor today (as it supports it) but the more alternatives, the merrier.

MikeA

I bought a license a little bit ago but haven't setup anything yet. I will be glad to try it out sometime soon when I'm not busy with moving.

SGraf

@VirtFusion said:
Hi LowEnd hosts and community!

....targeting the KVM VPS hosting market.

Looking towards virtualizor: Planning on doing a per node lifetime variant with a moderate updates fee per year?

Did you get your platforms coded audited by an independent third party?
What parts of the source code will be available for review by license holders?

VirtFusion

@mikho said:

@VirtFusion said:

@mikho said:
@VirtFusion
Oh, remembered one thing @Ant told me long ago, you made a special ”hack” for haproxy into Solus.

Is that available here?
Asking since it is a vital part of my own setup

It’s not available yet, but we can discuss? and come up with something. There may be better ways to deal with it.

I’m willing to give input on a solution like that.
Using Virtualizor today (as it supports it) but the more alternatives, the merrier.

Great. I’ll ping you on Discord.

p.s. where’s my “Trusted Software Developer” tag?

VirtFusion

@MikeA said:
I bought a license a little bit ago but haven't setup anything yet. I will be glad to try it out sometime soon when I'm not busy with moving.

Thanks as always Mike. Good luck with the move.

mikho

@VirtFusion said:

@mikho said:

@VirtFusion said:

@mikho said:
@VirtFusion
Oh, remembered one thing @Ant told me long ago, you made a special ”hack” for haproxy into Solus.

Is that available here?
Asking since it is a vital part of my own setup

It’s not available yet, but we can discuss? and come up with something. There may be better ways to deal with it.

I’m willing to give input on a solution like that.
Using Virtualizor today (as it supports it) but the more alternatives, the merrier.

Great. I’ll ping you on Discord.

p.s. where’s my “Trusted Software Developer” tag?

Wheres my free license ?
J/K … will add you in a second.

Ympker

Looks very clean and sounds like you want to change things for the better. Since I don't really deal much with servers anymore, I'm not likely gonna be a customer of yours, but I can imagine end users will be happy to be presented with such a nice panel
Good luck!

VirtFusion

@mikho said:

@VirtFusion said:

@mikho said:

@VirtFusion said:

@mikho said:
@VirtFusion
Oh, remembered one thing @Ant told me long ago, you made a special ”hack” for haproxy into Solus.

Is

@SGraf said:

@VirtFusion said:
Hi LowEnd hosts and community!

....targeting the KVM VPS hosting market.

Looking towards virtualizor: Planning on doing a per node lifetime variant with a moderate updates fee per year?

Did you get your platforms coded audited by an independent third party?
What parts of the source code will be available for review by license holders?

No plans for a lifetime license, at least not yet. The source has only been audited internally so far, none of which is available for review at this current time.

SGraf

@VirtFusion said:

@mikho said:

@VirtFusion said:

@mikho said:

@VirtFusion said:

@mikho said:
@VirtFusion
Oh, remembered one thing @Ant told me long ago, you made a special ”hack” for haproxy into Solus.

Is

@SGraf said:

@VirtFusion said:
Hi LowEnd hosts and community!

....targeting the KVM VPS hosting market.

Looking towards virtualizor: Planning on doing a per node lifetime variant with a moderate updates fee per year?

Did you get your platforms coded audited by an independent third party?
What parts of the source code will be available for review by license holders?

No plans for a lifetime license, at least not yet. The source has only been audited internally so far, none of which is available for review at this current time.

Shame. Having an audited source code would be making your product stand out a bit compared to the competition.

So would be the ability to review. (For me specifically, that is 50% of the reason i am running blesta for billing and not whmcs or clientexec )

Yeah i get that point when it comes to licensing.
Right now you are priced at 15 usd/month per node - so 180/yr. Wich is fair as Virtualizor would be 95 usd, for example if paid yearly.
My inquiry was more based around my personal model/belief of prioritizing initial capital expense over running operating expense.

VirtFusion

At the current time there’s a fair bit going on in the source. Biggish features, re-factoring, etc.. once it calms down a bit, I intend to have regular audits.

webcraft

Hypervisors with UNLIMITED servers (early adoption pricing) Hypervisors $15.00

OR

Hypervisors with a single server (early adoption pricing) x $1,50

Are we to choose either of both? So let's say I'd like to host 5x VMs. Would I be fine saying "0" for the 1st option and "5" for the 2nd?

VirtFusion

@webcraft said:

Hypervisors with UNLIMITED servers (early adoption pricing) Hypervisors $15.00

OR

Hypervisors with a single server (early adoption pricing) x $1,50

Are we to choose either of both? So let's say I'd like to host 5x VMs. Would I be fine saying "0" for the 1st option and "5" for the 2nd?

No, It's based on per hypervisor. I'll add some extra info to the description and probably rename the single option to "Smart Server" or something similar.

webcraft

@VirtFusion said:

@webcraft said:

Hypervisors with UNLIMITED servers (early adoption pricing) Hypervisors $15.00

OR

Hypervisors with a single server (early adoption pricing) x $1,50

Are we to choose either of both? So let's say I'd like to host 5x VMs. Would I be fine saying "0" for the 1st option and "5" for the 2nd?

No, It's based on per hypervisor. I'll add some extra info to the description and probably rename the single option to "Smart Server" or something similar.

What else does mean "Hypervisors with a single server". 1x Hypervisor with 5x VM on would be which option (initially understood like 5x single server)?
I understand it like this that the first option makes sense if you plan to run more than 10 VMs on the host.

And is branding removal monthly, too? apparently yes

VirtFusion

Any hypervisors that host more than 1 VM would need unlimited.

Falzo

well I am confused by the pricing as well:

@VirtFusion said: We do not believe in a per VPS or CPU core model, this has shown time and time again that outside a top tier enterprise, it’s just not a good fit, instead we have stuck to the proven per hypervisor model.

so you only have two prices. one for running the whole server as single VM within and one for the actual 'hypervisor with unlimited VMs'?

as @webcraft points out this leads to people thinking about servers (hypervisors) with <10 VMs on it, where the pricing now look very much not attractive, because in the end people will always break down the pricing to a 'per VM' pricing to be able to calculate the costs properly... just saying. I understand you try to exactly move away from this, but you already opened an unintended gap here I suppose.

VirtFusion

@Falzo said: so you only have two prices. one for running the whole server as single VM within and one for the actual 'hypervisor with unlimited VMs'?

That's correct. I'll change the description of that hypervisor type. It can be multi-purpose. Either a single VM of any size or most likely a smart server which will be an option in VF soon.

webcraft

@VirtFusion said:

@Falzo said: so you only have two prices. one for running the whole server as single VM within and one for the actual 'hypervisor with unlimited VMs'?

That's correct. I'll change the description of that hypervisor type. It can be multi-purpose. Either a single VM of any size or most likely a smart server which will be an option in VF soon.

What's the point of creating a single VM? I mean it's likely not for a customer hence the management layer appears like overhead to me. If you'd change your license to the amount of servers being allowed to be created with it, this makes it much more attractive to me because for personal instances, which don't require such an additional layer, I could also use a free product like Proxmox.

Amadex

@webcraft said:

@VirtFusion said:

@Falzo said: so you only have two prices. one for running the whole server as single VM within and one for the actual 'hypervisor with unlimited VMs'?

That's correct. I'll change the description of that hypervisor type. It can be multi-purpose. Either a single VM of any size or most likely a smart server which will be an option in VF soon.

What's the point of creating a single VM? I mean it's likely not for a customer hence the management layer appears like overhead to me. If you'd change your license to the amount of servers being allowed to be created with it, this makes it much more attractive to me because for personal instances, which don't require such an additional layer, I could also use a free product like Proxmox.

Maybe easier snapshots of the server for a beginner? Create single VM, and snapshot it for backup, I guess. Easier than bare-metal restoration.

webcraft

@Amadex said:

@webcraft said:

@VirtFusion said:

@Falzo said: so you only have two prices. one for running the whole server as single VM within and one for the actual 'hypervisor with unlimited VMs'?

That's correct. I'll change the description of that hypervisor type. It can be multi-purpose. Either a single VM of any size or most likely a smart server which will be an option in VF soon.

What's the point of creating a single VM? I mean it's likely not for a customer hence the management layer appears like overhead to me. If you'd change your license to the amount of servers being allowed to be created with it, this makes it much more attractive to me because for personal instances, which don't require such an additional layer, I could also use a free product like Proxmox.

Maybe easier snapshots of the server for a beginner? Create single VM, and snapshot it for backup, I guess. Easier than bare-metal restoration.

No, you can do exactly what you mentioned with Proxmox for free. Setup a VM once, take backup of it and restore it automatically every time. This is why I'm looking for a value adding purpose which reasons this license construct.

VirtFusion

@webcraft said:

@VirtFusion said:

@Falzo said: so you only have two prices. one for running the whole server as single VM within and one for the actual 'hypervisor with unlimited VMs'?

That's correct. I'll change the description of that hypervisor type. It can be multi-purpose. Either a single VM of any size or most likely a smart server which will be an option in VF soon.

What's the point of creating a single VM? I mean it's likely not for a customer hence the management layer appears like overhead to me. If you'd change your license to the amount of servers being allowed to be created with it, this makes it much more attractive to me because for personal instances, which don't require such an additional layer, I could also use a free product like Proxmox.

You'll be surprised how many virtualize the whole hypervisor for easy management purposes - Remember, I ran SolusVM for 10+yrs.

VirtFusion

Very similar to this. https://docs.onapp.com/faq/smart-servers

Decicus

Suggestion: Make the 2FA field a single input field, instead of 6 individual ones.

It would be handy for the future in case you end up supporting something other than just 6-digit TOTP codes (e.g Yubikeys), but even right now it's a bit of a pain if you try to paste the 2FA code from clipboard (especially on a phone).

VirtFusion

@Decicus said:
Suggestion: Make the 2FA field a single input field, instead of 6 individual ones.

It would be handy for the future in case you end up supporting something other than just 6-digit TOTP codes (e.g Yubikeys), but even right now it's a bit of a pain if you try to paste the 2FA code from clipboard (especially on a phone).

Thanks for the feedback. I’ll take another look to see what can be done to improve it 🙂

vyas

@VirtFusion

Speaking purely from an "end user" (average Joe / Jen) perspective. So I am most likely not your intended audience, but your customer's customer.. However, having
tested out the trial service by @MikeA (<-- thanks!)

Quick feedback:
a. Panel loads fast, interface is clean, intuitive
b. Minimal learning curve, a few steps and clicks and things were up and running.

Providing a generic feedback - have taken screenshots along my first look journey, might write a longer post over the weekend. Till then,
Congratulations on an awesome product .

VirtFusion

@vyas said:
@VirtFusion

Speaking purely from an "end user" (average Joe / Jen) perspective. So I am most likely not your intended audience, but your customer's customer.. However, having
tested out the trial service by @MikeA (<-- thanks!)

Quick feedback:
a. Panel loads fast, interface is clean, intuitive
b. Minimal learning curve, a few steps and clicks and things were up and running.

Providing a generic feedback - have taken screenshots along my first look journey, might write a longer post over the weekend. Till then,
Congratulations on an awesome product .

Thanks for the feedback 🙂

You absolutely are my audience! I made it my mission to think about the end end user!

Looking forward to the longer post if you get chance.

webcraft

Just installed a single server setup. Quite good so far, it appears to be easy to manage and the panel looks clean for the end user. Also good is the license condition right now (the current offer, not talking about the price itself), especially if I buy the single server now and can upgrade it later to unlimited when I decide to switch from current setup.
Is there a place where you specify what is being installed on the UI/webpanel box, in case I'm going to use it for more services?

VirtFusion

Pleased you like it

@webcraft said:
Is there a place where you specify what is being installed on the UI/webpanel box, in case I'm going to use it for more services?

How do you mean? It should only be the UI that's installed on the server or in your case the hypervisor as well.

webcraft

@VirtFusion said:
Pleased you like it

@webcraft said:
Is there a place where you specify what is being installed on the UI/webpanel box, in case I'm going to use it for more services?

How do you mean? It should only be the UI that's installed on the server or in your case the hypervisor as well.

I was thinking about something like reverse proxies on used ports or a Jenkins installation. This might not be intented or best practice but right now I'm using virtfusion on a dev instance hence stability isn't vital but the resources should be used.

vyas

I wrote a summary/ First Impressions on VirtFusion (my first impressions). Thanks for the correction/ input from VirtFusion in the post, and MikeA for the trial VPS for me to test.
You can find the post at: https://l.amar.link/virtfusion

webcraft

@vyas said:
I wrote a summary/ First Impressions on VirtFusion (my first impressions). Thanks for the correction/ input from VirtFusion in the post, and MikeA for the trial VPS for me to test.
You can find the post at: https://l.amar.link/virtfusion

Maybe use a link that doesn't look like an aff link: https://blog.amarvyas.in/saas-reviews/first-impressions-virtfusion-server-management-panel/

vyas

@webcraft said:

@vyas said:
I wrote a summary/ First Impressions on VirtFusion (my first impressions). Thanks for the correction/ input from VirtFusion in the post, and MikeA for the trial VPS for me to test.
You can find the post at: https://l.amar.link/virtfusion

Maybe use a link that doesn't look like an aff link:

I don’t do affiliate links. Thank you

VirtFusion

@vyas said:
I wrote a summary/ First Impressions on VirtFusion (my first impressions). Thanks for the correction/ input from VirtFusion in the post, and MikeA for the trial VPS for me to test.
You can find the post at: https://l.amar.link/virtfusion

Great stuff - Thankyou!

vyas

Here is a PDF of the blog post / review in case anyone is interested. A comment was made about my previous link which gave the impression it was an affiliate link. Want to set the record straight. Happy reading!

https://img.gaatha.me/PdLoLx

To all, my apologies- my intention was to share my impressions about the Server Panel. But the conversation is going in a different direction. I will excuse myself out of here.

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The link should lead you to a page that looks something link this:
https://talk.lowendspirit.com/uploads/editor/sb/0lp93b46vj0q.png

Kuroit

@VirtFusion Great stuff! Just got 2 licenses for testing and to put in my tiny share of support for the product.

I'm yet to test everything but just wanted to ask if there is (or will be) migration tool to migrate from Virtualizor to VirtFusion, specially without or very little downtime.

VirtFusion

@Kuroit said:
@VirtFusion Great stuff! Just got 2 licenses for testing and to put in my tiny share of support for the product.

I'm yet to test everything but just wanted to ask if there is (or will be) migration tool to migrate from Virtualizor to VirtFusion, specially without or very little downtime.

Thanks for the support

There’s no official migration from Virtualizor yet. If Jump on our Discord, there is a pinned message in #general with basic instructions.

webcraft

Can you do installs from ISO as well or cloud-init only? What about BSD (e.g. FreeBSD) support?

MikeA

@webcraft said:
Can you do installs from ISO as well or cloud-init only? What about BSD (e.g. FreeBSD) support?

Admin side you can add ISO from URL easily. BSD works fine with the proper template configuration. I have the latest FreeBSD from the official cloud image working perfectly.

webcraft

@MikeA said:

@webcraft said:
Can you do installs from ISO as well or cloud-init only? What about BSD (e.g. FreeBSD) support?

Admin side you can add ISO from URL easily. BSD works fine with the proper template configuration. I have the latest FreeBSD from the official cloud image working perfectly.

Ok thanks, but no custom iso from user side?

MikeA

@webcraft said:

@MikeA said:

@webcraft said:
Can you do installs from ISO as well or cloud-init only? What about BSD (e.g. FreeBSD) support?

Admin side you can add ISO from URL easily. BSD works fine with the proper template configuration. I have the latest FreeBSD from the official cloud image working perfectly.

Ok thanks, but no custom iso from user side?

No. It'd be nice, but also it would let users store ISOs on hypervisors, might be an issue for hypervisors with lower space for images.