Highly Reliable VPS/"Cloud" server

johnkjohnk Provider
edited August 2021 in Requests

Hi everyone!

I'm interested in a provider who offers extremely reliable & durable VPS/cloud servers. Here's what I'm looking for:

1 CPU (don't care what model assuming it's not total crap)
1-2 GB RAM
100 GB storage (with room to grow)
100 mbps up/down
400 GB outbound/month
3-5 TB inbound if metered.

Ideally, networked & replicated storage with an AFR < 0.1%, automated compute/instance failover and extremely solid network/power uptime > 99.99%.

Not performance sensitive - as long as its decent, I'll take it.

Budget is $20-40/month.

I've looked at the major public clouds which hit my reliability and price marks (Azure, IBM, Oracle especially), but I'm sure there's a lot of other great hosts out there, I'd love to try too.

Let's hear some offers!

Edit: Sorry, forgot to mention. USA/NA is highly preferred.

Comments

  • with that budget then stick with the them .. consider adding google.

  • Always think @Clouvider HA VPS is quite premium but sadly never used them before (Also because I missed a deal haha)

    https://www.clouvider.com/cloud-vps/

    Not as big as other cloud providers but they are decent enough.

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  • @FAT32 said:

    i think i will get heart attack next day if you paid for one hahahha lol j/k

  • johnkjohnk Provider
    edited August 2021

    @FAT32 said:
    Always think @Clouvider HA VPS is quite premium but sadly never used them before (Also because I missed a deal haha)

    https://www.clouvider.com/cloud-vps/

    Not as big as other cloud providers but they are decent enough.

    Yeah, I've looked at them too. Unfortunately, no US location (yet), otherwise they'd fit the bill perfectly.

    Forgot to mention that in initial post - I've amended it to add that.

  • @ehab said:
    i think i will get heart attack next day if you paid for one hahahha lol j/k

    There was an offer quite a while ago that could fit in my impulsive buying range... I asked Dom few times but dont think he wants it happens again :joy:

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  • johnkjohnk Provider

    @ehab said:
    with that budget then stick with the them .. consider adding google.

    Google is actually the one that's out of budget. LOL

    Compute + storage would be ~ $20/m. Bandwidth @ standard rate is $40/m or so alone. I guess it's only a bit over, but there are much better options elsewhere

  • @FAT32 said:

    time flies so

  • cybertechcybertech OGBenchmark King YABS 24/7/365
    edited August 2021

    you could check upcloud, they have 100% SLA iirc

    I bench YABS 24/7/365 unless it's a leap year.

  • FAT32FAT32 OG
    edited August 2021

    Can try OVH? https://us.ovhcloud.com/vps/compare/

    My SG VPS with them has been running for 3+ years with 100% uptime

    (I don't know their SLA though, but based on my experience with them I am confident to use them for production)

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  • johnkjohnk Provider
    edited August 2021

    @cybertech said:
    you could check upcloud, they have 100% SLA iirc

    Thanks! That's on my short list too - we actually had a long chat with them when looking for a primary provider, though that dropped out. Have you had any experiences with them?

  • johnkjohnk Provider

    @FAT32 said:
    Can try OVH? https://us.ovhcloud.com/vps/compare/

    My SG VPS with them has been running for 3+ years with 100% uptime

    (I don't know their SLA though, but based on my experience with them I am confident to use them for production)

    Thanks! Their pricing is unbeatable for what they offer (as a semi-big provider). Do you happen to know what their storage is backed by? I recall reading ceph somewhere, but that could just be their object storage.

  • OVH have great hw,specs,cp etc --- but support is almost 0.

  • johnkjohnk Provider
    edited August 2021

    @ehab said:
    OVH have great hw,specs,cp etc --- but support is almost 0.

    So I've heard...Assuming no issues on their side, support (or lack of thereof) shouldn't be an issue, though I'd probably rather pay $10-20 more for someone to speak to if something does happen.

  • yep, pay $10-20 more - for support.

  • cybertechcybertech OGBenchmark King YABS 24/7/365

    @johnk said:

    @cybertech said:
    you could check upcloud, they have 100% SLA iirc

    Thanks! That's on my short list too - we actually had a long chat with them when looking for a primary provider, though that dropped out. Have you had any experiences with them?

    I have credits there so only use them hourly from time to time. couldn't afford long term usage though :p what I can say is their performance is decent and network is pretty good. limited locations compared to vultr. their maxiops block storage should fit well for expansion.

    I bench YABS 24/7/365 unless it's a leap year.

  • johnkjohnk Provider
    edited August 2021

    @cybertech said:

    @johnk said:

    @cybertech said:
    you could check upcloud, they have 100% SLA iirc

    Thanks! That's on my short list too - we actually had a long chat with them when looking for a primary provider, though that dropped out. Have you had any experiences with them?

    I have credits there so only use them hourly from time to time. couldn't afford long term usage though :p what I can say is their performance is decent and network is pretty good. limited locations compared to vultr. their maxiops block storage should fit well for expansion.

    I see! Yeah, that (performance, network, storage) was pretty much our experience too with the couple hundred dollars in credit they were kind enough to give us for some in-depth evaluation. We didn't get a chance to evaluate their reliability over a long term though, and I've been hard pressed to find any review about that actually addresses it. I'd spin up a VM and watch it over a few months, but I don't have that kind of timeline unfortunately :/

  • racknerd (my signature) so far after 5 months? 100% uptime

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  • FAT32FAT32 OG
    edited August 2021

    @skorupion said:
    racknerd (my signature) so far after 5 months? 100% uptime

    NO
    NO
    NO
    NO
    NO
    NO

    NO RackNerd please thanks, I already have enough at OGF + I won't ever define it as highly reliable.

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  • cybertechcybertech OGBenchmark King YABS 24/7/365

    @FAT32 said:

    @skorupion said:
    racknerd (my signature) so far after 5 months? 100% uptime

    NO
    NO
    NO
    NO
    NO
    NO

    NO RackNerd please thanks, I already have enough at OGF + I won't ever define it as highly reliable.

    i just had a few hours of network downtime days ago, so yeah definitely not 100% uptime.

    good support, but not HA for sure.

    I bench YABS 24/7/365 unless it's a leap year.

  • @cybertech said:

    @FAT32 said:

    @skorupion said:
    racknerd (my signature) so far after 5 months? 100% uptime

    NO
    NO
    NO
    NO
    NO
    NO

    NO RackNerd please thanks, I already have enough at OGF + I won't ever define it as highly reliable.

    i just had a few hours of network downtime days ago, so yeah definitely not 100% uptime.

    good support, but not HA for sure.

    been solid in AMS for me lolz

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  • cybertechcybertech OGBenchmark King YABS 24/7/365

    @skorupion said:

    @cybertech said:

    @FAT32 said:

    @skorupion said:
    racknerd (my signature) so far after 5 months? 100% uptime

    NO
    NO
    NO
    NO
    NO
    NO

    NO RackNerd please thanks, I already have enough at OGF + I won't ever define it as highly reliable.

    i just had a few hours of network downtime days ago, so yeah definitely not 100% uptime.

    good support, but not HA for sure.

    been solid in AMS for me lolz

    racknerd's really good for the price, but OP needs HA, that actually filters out most lowend providers.

    otherwise i would have thrown letbox into the list as well with their block storage. 100% uptime for me in 2 years as far as i could see.

    I bench YABS 24/7/365 unless it's a leap year.

  • johnkjohnk Provider

    @skorupion said:
    racknerd (my signature) so far after 5 months? 100% uptime

    I appreciate the response! But, that's probably a bit far from what I'm looking for.

    I know the above experience would be far from the only one about network outages/storage failures, though I wouldn't expect much more given the price

  • Based on my experience, I'd stick with Azure when such availability is needed. No "low-end" provider I've seen does the same sort of proactive live migrations without downtime.

    If you step down a notch you might want to consider LunaNode. They at least let you provision from a block volume, and if I recall correctly they will automatically re-launch on an available node if a block-backed VPS goes down.

  • @FAT32 said: Always think @Clouvider HA VPS is quite premium

    Can confirm this is the case, but OP wanted US.

    We're on Clouviders network in the US, and Hetrix is showing 99.9998% uptime in NY, but we don't currently have network/replicated storage there.

    @FAT32 said: There was an offer quite a while ago that could fit in my impulsive buying range...

    I think I got one if it's the offer I'm thinking of.

  • cybertechcybertech OGBenchmark King YABS 24/7/365

    @FAT32 said:

    @ehab said:
    i think i will get heart attack next day if you paid for one hahahha lol j/k

    There was an offer quite a while ago that could fit in my impulsive buying range... I asked Dom few times but dont think he wants it happens again :joy:

    what kinda offer was that?

    I bench YABS 24/7/365 unless it's a leap year.

  • FAT32FAT32 OG
    edited August 2021

    @cybertech said:
    what kinda offer was that?

    I don't want to spoil the market so I will just PM you :joy:

    Hint:

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  • cybertechcybertech OGBenchmark King YABS 24/7/365

    @FAT32 said:

    @cybertech said:
    what kinda offer was that?

    I don't want to spoil the market so I will just PM you :joy:

    Hint:

    wow. that was really one off.

    I bench YABS 24/7/365 unless it's a leap year.

  • Oh I don't remember that one?

  • edited August 2021

    @johnk said:
    I've looked at the major public clouds which hit my reliability and price marks (Azure, IBM, Oracle especially), but I'm sure there's a lot of other great hosts out there, I'd love to try too.

    Let's hear some offers!

    @johnk said:

    @ehab said:
    with that budget then stick with the them .. consider adding google.

    Google is actually the one that's out of budget. LOL

    Compute + storage would be ~ $20/m. Bandwidth @ standard rate is $40/m or so alone. I guess it's only a bit over, but there are much better options elsewhere

    I'm afraid Azure too is above your stated budget...
    400GB of bandwidth alone is 35 dollars, add to that a crappy B1S (1 vCPU burstable, 10% baseline) instance...

    (and you said you need 100 GB of storage too..)

    Also, technically, in order to get a promise of 99.99% availability from M$, you'd need at least two of these...
    https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/support/legal/sla/virtual-machines/v1_9/

    For all Virtual Machines that have two or more instances deployed across two or more Availability Zones in the same Azure region, we guarantee you will have Virtual Machine Connectivity to at least one instance at least 99.99% of the time.

    (otherwise it's just 99.9% at most)

    For any Single Instance Virtual Machine using Premium SSD or Ultra Disk for all Operating System Disks and Data Disks, we guarantee you will have Virtual Machine Connectivity of at least 99.9%.

    Actually if it's just one server you're looking for (and not let say the same x10), and you'd be OK with either a 1/8 of an Epyc or up to couple of ARM cores / VPS, perhaps just go with Oracle Cloud?
    https://www.oracle.com/cloud/free/
    Possible downside: Bandwidth might be limited only up to 50Mbps (based on various YABS samples for EPYC instances, example ; unsure about ARM)

    @tetech said:
    If you step down a notch you might want to consider LunaNode. They at least let you provision from a block volume, and if I recall correctly they will automatically re-launch on an available node if a block-backed VPS goes down.

    Alternative (albeit similar) idea, provided Europe would also be tolerable: Hetzner! (has a lot of street cred in these circles and arguably provides what you're looking for)
    https://www.hetzner.com/cloud (servers)

    Servers with ceph disks store their data on a remote filesystem. Each block is stored on three different servers. They are especially suited for higher availability needs: If the local host hardware fails, we will boot the server on a different machine.

    https://docs.hetzner.com/cloud/volumes/faq/ (block storage)

    We store every block of data on three different physical servers (triple replication).

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  • teamaccteamacc OG teamacc

    Hetzner has some ceph based vms, but thats EU.

    Didnt clouvider expand to the USA recently-ish? Might be worth to ask them directly. @Clouvider

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  • @teamacc said: Didnt clouvider expand to the USA recently-ish?

    They've got dedis but the OnApp vps line is still UK only.

  • johnkjohnk Provider
    edited August 2021

    Thank you for everyone's replies! I think we're going to &gt; @chimichurri said:

    I'm afraid Azure too is above your stated budget...
    400GB of bandwidth alone is 35 dollars, add to that a crappy B1S (1 vCPU burstable, 10% baseline) instance...

    (and you said you need 100 GB of storage too..)

    Also, technically, in order to get a promise of 99.99% availability from M$, you'd need at least two of these...
    https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/support/legal/sla/virtual-machines/v1_9/

    For all Virtual Machines that have two or more instances deployed across two or more Availability Zones in the same Azure region, we guarantee you will have Virtual Machine Connectivity to at least one instance at least 99.99% of the time.

    (otherwise it's just 99.9% at most)

    For any Single Instance Virtual Machine using Premium SSD or Ultra Disk for all Operating System Disks and Data Disks, we guarantee you will have Virtual Machine Connectivity of at least 99.9%.

    Yeah, you're right. I was looking at the wrong section for transfer.

    Actually if it's just one server you're looking for (and not let say the same x10), and you'd be OK with either a 1/8 of an Epyc or up to couple of ARM cores / VPS, perhaps just go with Oracle Cloud?

    That's a top contender right now. They've got the E4's for $20/m or so and the free tier covers everything else. 99.99% durability, live migrations.

    Alternative (albeit similar) idea, provided Europe would also be tolerable: Hetzner! (has a lot of street cred in these circles and arguably provides what you're looking for)

    Doesn't work for the same reason as Clouvider : (

    Thank you for everyone's responses! We'll take a closer look at OVH's public cloud, Oracle, and Upcloud. If everyone has any experience with those, I'd love to hear.

  • @chimichurri said: Possible downside: Bandwidth might be limited only up to 50Mbps (based on various YABS samples for EPYC instances, example ; unsure about ARM)

    1Gbps public bandwidth on 4core ARM instance.

  • @johnk said: OVH's public cloud, Oracle, and Upcloud. If everyone has any experience with those, I'd love to hear.

    Would give Oracle a miss...seemed like amateur hour last time I tried them

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    @havoc said:

    @johnk said: OVH's public cloud, Oracle, and Upcloud. If everyone has any experience with those, I'd love to hear.

    Would give Oracle a miss...seemed like amateur hour last time I tried them

    Interesting...thanks for sharing - if you don't mind elaborating, what issues did you hit with them?

  • try innoscale.net

  • williewillie OG
    edited November 2021

    OVH used to have CEPH backed VPS (auto migration in case something happens to your host node) but I don't know if they have that by now. Maybe on the "public cloud" line. Hetzner has it in EU but for now not in US. Maybe that will arrive sometime.

    What are you trying to do anyway? Maybe you want to pursue some more serious high availability scheme. Multiple VPS with floating IP's, anycast routing to multiple DC's, etc. Cloudflare Workers might be another viable approach.

  • johnkjohnk Provider
    edited November 2021

    @willie said:
    OVH used to have CEPH backed VPS (auto migration in case something happens to your host node) but I don't know if they have that by now. Maybe on the "public cloud" line. Hetzner has it in EU but for now not in US. Maybe that will arrive sometime.

    OVH public cloud uses Ceph, yeah - we actually used them for ~ 3 months, and moved away because IO latency performance was too lackluster actually, coupled with a few network stability issues now. We're on Upcloud right now, which is been decent so far.

    What are you trying to do anyway? Maybe you want to pursue some more serious high availability scheme. Multiple VPS with floating IP's, anycast routing to multiple DC's, etc. Cloudflare Workers might be another viable approach.

    That is obviously the ideal solution - they're internal-facing monitoring nodes - but Zabbix isn't something that easily runs in HA (done it before). At least, not until 6.0 is stable. Time/maintenance cost there doesn't make a lot of sense compared to a instance that can hold a 99.99%+ yearly standard, as we have backup systems for the remaining 52 minutes

  • It looks like hetzner are depreciating ceph on the cloud

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  • edited November 2021

    https://docs.hetzner.com/cloud/servers/faq/#what-is-the-difference-between-local-and-ceph-disks-for-servers-on-the-cx-models

    Ceph models are deprecated and won't be available anymore after December 1st 2021.

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  • imokimok OG Not Administrator

    Hetzner or Lunanode?

  • I have generally found dedicated servers to have less random downtime than VPS of any sort. VPS operators are always rebooting the host node for something, etc. So for your purposes, maybe try a small Kimsufi.

  • What about Ramnode?

    I was with them from 2013-2019 when Nick was running it and they were superb - especially support.

    But now since they got bought, I'm not sure if they're still as good as they were before.

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    @willie said:
    I have generally found dedicated servers to have less random downtime than VPS of any sort. VPS operators are always rebooting the host node for something, etc. So for your purposes, maybe try a small Kimsufi.

    For lower-range providers, probably - but most mid-high range providers - eg, OVH, 3 Big Clouds, etc will have live migrations for host-node maintenance. In theory, virtualized should offer better reliability. Honestly, though, that's sometimes not the case.

  • @johnk said: will have live migrations for host-node maintenance

    Exactly. A UK provider I've been with for a while I know does this. They did a write up about it when mitigating the intel bugs (spectre etc) and I've got a VPS with them that just hit 4 years uptime.
    They were bought out by iomart so the technical side (blog posts, technical staff to speak too, etc) has all gone unfortunately but I did manage a DC tour before hand lol.

  • live migration

    That was the idea of CEPH backed VPS but the performance hit is significant. It was interesting to hear that Hetzner has deprecated it now.

  • alwyzonalwyzon Provider
    edited November 2021

    @willie said:
    That was the idea of CEPH backed VPS (…)

    Live migration does not require Ceph. Live migration works with KVM and any form of local storage as well. It‘s a bit slow, because it has to copy the entire VMs disk, but for the purpose of upgrading host nodes where you can schedule the migration upfront that’s not really an issue.

    The advantage of Ceph is replication over multiple servers instead of just multiple disks (as with RAID). That‘s a core component for High-Availability, as you can immediately restart a VM on another hypervisor and don’t need to try to manually recover the VMs data from the crashed node. But Ceph isn’t a requirement for live migrations and zero-downtime host upgrades.

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  • Hetzner_OLHetzner_OL ProviderOG
    edited November 2021

    We are indeed phasing out Ceph-based cloud products. If anyone has any detailed questions about them, please write to our support team directly. The technicians on the cloud team will be able to better help you.

    We're Katie and Lea and we'll do our best to answer questions you have about Hetzner Online. We and not our employer are responsible for any horrible puns and dated cultural references.

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