May I ask (if this is not a problem) what kind of traffic we are looking at? TBH offloading image traffic to a community-managed server (Dawgy Image, or something custom, or imgur) should help lower the overall bandwidth as well as storage.
You might also want to contact bunny directly too see if they can help this forum a bit?
@sanvit said: May I ask (if this is not a problem) what kind of traffic we are looking at? TBH offloading image traffic to a community-managed server (Dawgy Image, or something custom, or imgur) should help lower the overall bandwidth as well as storage.
That I'm not really sure yet. I'll know more once I get control of the domain and can see the stats/set up analytics (probably not google analytics, don't worry).
@sanvit said: You might also want to contact bunny directly too see if they can help this forum a bit?
Possibly. Though, I'd like to stay away from handouts/special discounts so nothing is really expected from either party except for a client-business relationship, if that makes sense (not that I think there would likely be any issues). I've already turned down a few different offers from some generous providers here in regards to sponsored/free resources and hosting for the site for that reason. Keeps things simpler and what's needed to run the site now is pretty minimal so is not a big burden on my wallet.
@sanvit said: Ooh, didn't notice the ads were gone Maybe some kind of opencollective or similar funding should help?
I think ads are likely to make a return at some point in some form. Seems to be the most stable form of revenue generation the site can bring. Donations are good and all, but can fluctuate widely on any given month. There's also been the idea of some sort of support/premium subscription that enables certain features in the forum, which was floated in a different thread, so might be possible that we explore that in the future as well.
For transparency, the current/projected costs are:
Provider
Product
Use
Cost
Runcloud
Pro Plan
Server mgmt, site backups, easy deployments, etc.
$15/mo
Hetzner Cloud
3x CPX11 + Backups
Forum + Blog + Dev/Staging VMs
~$15/mo
Porkbun (probably)
Domain Reg
~$10/yr (currently paid until 2023)
Mailcheap
Basic 10G Plan
Email for admin/support accounts
$24/yr
Amazon SES
Usage-based
Outgoing email for forum
<$3/mo (most likely/TBD)
Additionally, we'd like to build up a little reserve to be able to pay for development services in the future for both the blog and the forum. I'm not a PHP coder by any means, so we'll have to outsource for any future plugin development or site improvements that we want to invest in.
@Mason said: Possibly. Though, I'd like to stay away from handouts/special discounts so nothing is really expected from either party except for a client-business relationship,
Totally, stay away from anything that 99% of the time will make you beholden to someone because they helped you out with the site.
LES domain has been swapped to a new "LES" CF account. Hopefully I copied over all the DNS entries -- pardon any hiccups and let me know if anyone spots anything strange.
Migrating LES Blog / Change LES Blog CMS - Status: Ongoing
@mikho is prepping the new Wordpress blog and spearheading the copying of content over to its new home. We are planning on getting all the content over and the design solidified before continuing to post additional blog articles (we have a nice one from @Not_Oles ready to go that we'd like to post soon!).
Migrating Email Hosting - Status: Ongoing
I have set up LES email with Mailcheap (Ant was using OVH Exchange previously) and created some admin accounts and a support account. Everything is good to go there. Working on getting Amazon SES transactional emails set up for forum emails. The domain is set up with SES, just waiting on Amazon to verify my application to move our account from Sandbox-mode into Production-mode -- expected at some point today. Once that is set, I'll be switching over outgoing emails from the forum to SES.
Rebuild Dev Environment - Status: Complete
We tested out the "Clone website" functionality with Runcloud and it performed flawlessly. Was a piece of cake to set up a 1:1 clone of the forum and blog on a dev instance. I've actually been using the dev forum over the past couple weeks quite often to test plugins and get a grasp of the blog integration between Grav and Vanilla (had to dig through the plugin source code and try a couple things to get that ironed out). Will give access and a link to some people if they'd like to help us test new functionality over there.
Support System - Status: Ongoing (Testing Options)
I've installed an OpenSupports instance one of our VMs to serve as our support system for handling help tickets and provider tag requests. Looks good so far. Was waiting on LES email to be ironed out before I continued to test further.
@hey said:
when you're not busy make sure this site auto redirect to https. It does not at the moment
Thanks for the heads up (and @vyas in the Cest Pit)! I guess that was enabled when the domain was in Ant's CF account, but not carried over when I put it in the new LES CF account. Should be fixed now.
@hey said:
when you're not busy make sure this site auto redirect to https. It does not at the moment
Thanks for the heads up (and @vyas in the Cest Pit)! I guess that was enabled when the domain was in Ant's CF account, but not carried over when I put it in the new LES CF account. Should be fixed now.
Some progress: Amazon SES has said yes and decided to bless LES, thus is now our new email egress. So please express any distress if you assess issues with your e-address. Thank you and
@Mason said: Argo was silently removed like a month or two ago
For awhile LES has seemed significantly slower here than previously. I wonder if this change has anything to do with the load time increase I seem to have been seeing recently.
That's interesting. I check the site more than I care to admit and haven't hit this speed bump. Do you get this for a specific action or URL that you hit? Has anyone else seen behavior like this?
Perhaps once we migrate LES to it's new VM soon(tm) (maybe this weekend?) that'll not be an issue any longer... but we'll see I suppose and re-evaluate then.
@Mason said: Do you get this for a specific action or URL that you hit?
The 520 seemed to happen as I posted or was just about to post a comment. It might have been that the routine automagic saving of the comment draft plus my trying to post somehow interfered with each other/
@Mason said: Do you get this for a specific action or URL that you hit?
The 520 seemed to happen as I posted or was just about to post a comment. It might have been that the routine automagic saving of the comment draft plus my trying to post somehow interfered with each other/
Okay. I'll dig into the error log a bit and see if I can pull out what might have caused it.
@Mason Maybe I can add a bit to my previous comment about possible interference between the autosave and my attempt to post.
The autosave (as well as opening any page) takes anywhere from a noticeable moment to a few seconds. And occasionally a bit more than a few seconds.
During the autosave the Post Comment button goes light colored. This happened exactly as I was trackpadding over to the Post button. I was a bit surprised, imagining I had fat fingered the Alt key or something. But the Post button came right back to green, and I pushed it before I realized that the autosave had just happened. I am guessing some of the behind the scenes autosave stuff might not have been quite finished?
Don't mean to go on and on. This is a trivial problem. I mention it only as a token of appreciation for how much you and @mikho care about getting everything as polished as possible. Thank you!
@Not_Oles said: Don't mean to go on and on. This is a trivial problem. I mention it only as a token of appreciation for how much you and @mikho care about getting everything as polished as possible. Thank you!
Well, we certainly thank you for the bug report and hope we can tackle this problem in case it's affecting others as well.
I went through the error logs, but can't find anything that matches the timeframe indicated in the screenshot you posted to narrow down the issue. I'd hate to just chalk this one up to "vanilla being vanilla", so I'll keep digging around when I have some time. Looking at the error logs did make me realize that we had an issue with a typo in the config for the cookie's domain, which was flooding the error log with a bunch of warnings. So I believe thanks are in order for making me look and catching that at least
@Mason said: Argo was silently removed like a month or two ago
For awhile LES has seemed significantly slower here than previously. I wonder if this change has anything to do with the load time increase I seem to have been seeing recently.
I can confirm that happening on my site too, origin server had no issues (checked logs) but this happens randomly sometimes. reloading the page solves it.
@Abdullah said:
I can confirm that happening on my site too, origin server had no issues (checked logs) but this happens randomly sometimes. reloading the page solves it.
exactly same for mine. only started say a week ago or something.
@Abdullah said:
I can confirm that happening on my site too, origin server had no issues (checked logs) but this happens randomly sometimes. reloading the page solves it.
exactly same for mine. only started say a week ago or something.
Usually that happens when resource times out (php process for example). Tweaking php settings fixed it for our billing system. This was a pain in the ass for quite sometime.
Like Mason, I also visit a bit more than I'd like to admit (slow period at work), but it's been working perfectly well from my part of the world (Europe).
@seriesn said:
Usually that happens when resource times out (php process for example). Tweaking php settings fixed it for our billing system. This was a pain in the ass for quite sometime.
Done that, let's see how it goes..
Thanks for your suggestion
The forum will be migrated to it's new VM on Hetzner Cloud this evening around 11pm-12am EST (3am-4am UTC). Forum will be inaccessible for a few minutes while that occurs.
I've also set up the support/help desk using HESK, so I'm prepping that as well. Will post an update when these two items are complete.
@Mason said:
The forum will be migrated to it's new VM on Hetzner Cloud this evening around 11pm-12am EST (3am-4am UTC). Forum will be inaccessible for a few minutes while that occurs.
I've also set up the support/help desk using HESK, so I'm prepping that as well. Will post an update when these two items are complete.
@Mason said:
The forum will be migrated to it's new VM on Hetzner Cloud this evening around 11pm-12am EST (3am-4am UTC). Forum will be inaccessible for a few minutes while that occurs.
I've also set up the support/help desk using HESK, so I'm prepping that as well. Will post an update when these two items are complete.
@Mason said:
The forum will be migrated to it's new VM on Hetzner Cloud this evening around 11pm-12am EST (3am-4am UTC). Forum will be inaccessible for a few minutes while that occurs.
I've also set up the support/help desk using HESK, so I'm prepping that as well. Will post an update when these two items are complete.
@Mason said:
The forum will be migrated to it's new VM on Hetzner Cloud this evening around 11pm-12am EST (3am-4am UTC). Forum will be inaccessible for a few minutes while that occurs.
I've also set up the support/help desk using HESK, so I'm prepping that as well. Will post an update when these two items are complete.
Almost time! Bye old, friendly LES server! Thank you! ❤️
@cybertech said:
has the forum ever run on a single core VPS,
Looks like, yes. When mikho and I inherited it, it was on a multi-core server (2 CPUs) so the specs were increased sometime between site launch and now by Ant.
and is it now on multi core?
Yes, it's now run on a CPX11 Hetzner Cloud VM (2x Epyc vCPUs)
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May I ask (if this is not a problem) what kind of traffic we are looking at? TBH offloading image traffic to a community-managed server (Dawgy Image, or something custom, or imgur) should help lower the overall bandwidth as well as storage.
You might also want to contact bunny directly too see if they can help this forum a bit?
Ooh, didn't notice the ads were gone
Maybe some kind of opencollective or similar funding should help?
That I'm not really sure yet. I'll know more once I get control of the domain and can see the stats/set up analytics (probably not google analytics, don't worry).
Possibly. Though, I'd like to stay away from handouts/special discounts so nothing is really expected from either party except for a client-business relationship, if that makes sense (not that I think there would likely be any issues). I've already turned down a few different offers from some generous providers here in regards to sponsored/free resources and hosting for the site for that reason. Keeps things simpler and what's needed to run the site now is pretty minimal so is not a big burden on my wallet.
I think ads are likely to make a return at some point in some form. Seems to be the most stable form of revenue generation the site can bring. Donations are good and all, but can fluctuate widely on any given month. There's also been the idea of some sort of support/premium subscription that enables certain features in the forum, which was floated in a different thread, so might be possible that we explore that in the future as well.
For transparency, the current/projected costs are:
Additionally, we'd like to build up a little reserve to be able to pay for development services in the future for both the blog and the forum. I'm not a PHP coder by any means, so we'll have to outsource for any future plugin development or site improvements that we want to invest in.
yabs daddy
Thank you for the full breakout of costs! Wasn't really expecting it
Wish the ads come back up soon, as I wouldn't really want a 'Humble janitor' to pay for the forum cost, even if it's minimal :P
Totally, stay away from anything that 99% of the time will make you beholden to someone because they helped you out with the site.
LES domain has been swapped to a new "LES" CF account. Hopefully I copied over all the DNS entries -- pardon any hiccups and let me know if anyone spots anything strange.
yabs daddy
Okay, I tried to catch you out. But you are clearly too stronk.
Michael from DragonWebHost & OnePoundEmail
Cloudflare saved my butt on that one I guess :P surely don't want to end up on @yoursunny's shame list
yabs daddy
LES version of "The Changes Are Coming?" but with good intentions.
blog archives
Some updates:
Migrating LES Blog / Change LES Blog CMS - Status: Ongoing
Migrating Email Hosting - Status: Ongoing
Rebuild Dev Environment - Status: Complete
Support System - Status: Ongoing (Testing Options)
yabs daddy
Ambitious of you @Mason & @mikho! Well done.
We'd love to have you join our community:
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when you're not busy make sure this site auto redirect to https. It does not at the moment
Thanks for the heads up (and @vyas in the Cest Pit)! I guess that was enabled when the domain was in Ant's CF account, but not carried over when I put it in the new LES CF account. Should be fixed now.
yabs daddy
Thanks, confirming ssl is active now
blog archives
As blocks > @Mason said:
Such shame. Very Vyas like.
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Some progress: Amazon SES has said yes and decided to bless LES, thus is now our new email egress. So please express any distress if you assess issues with your e-address. Thank you and
yabs daddy
For awhile LES has seemed significantly slower here than previously. I wonder if this change has anything to do with the load time increase I seem to have been seeing recently.
@Mason @mikho Also, just now I saw this:
But things are back well enough that I can post this comment. If posting works?
Yes.
Michael from DragonWebHost & OnePoundEmail
That's interesting. I check the site more than I care to admit and haven't hit this speed bump. Do you get this for a specific action or URL that you hit? Has anyone else seen behavior like this?
Perhaps once we migrate LES to it's new VM soon(tm) (maybe this weekend?) that'll not be an issue any longer... but we'll see I suppose and re-evaluate then.
yabs daddy
The 520 seemed to happen as I posted or was just about to post a comment. It might have been that the routine automagic saving of the comment draft plus my trying to post somehow interfered with each other/
Okay. I'll dig into the error log a bit and see if I can pull out what might have caused it.
yabs daddy
@Mason Maybe I can add a bit to my previous comment about possible interference between the autosave and my attempt to post.
The autosave (as well as opening any page) takes anywhere from a noticeable moment to a few seconds. And occasionally a bit more than a few seconds.
During the autosave the Post Comment button goes light colored. This happened exactly as I was trackpadding over to the Post button. I was a bit surprised, imagining I had fat fingered the Alt key or something. But the Post button came right back to green, and I pushed it before I realized that the autosave had just happened. I am guessing some of the behind the scenes autosave stuff might not have been quite finished?
Don't mean to go on and on. This is a trivial problem. I mention it only as a token of appreciation for how much you and @mikho care about getting everything as polished as possible. Thank you!
Well, we certainly thank you for the bug report and hope we can tackle this problem in case it's affecting others as well.
I went through the error logs, but can't find anything that matches the timeframe indicated in the screenshot you posted to narrow down the issue. I'd hate to just chalk this one up to "vanilla being vanilla", so I'll keep digging around when I have some time. Looking at the error logs did make me realize that we had an issue with a typo in the config for the cookie's domain, which was flooding the error log with a bunch of warnings. So I believe thanks are in order for making me look and catching that at least
Cheers!
yabs daddy
had this recently as well on my own site. only at certain period of the day. monitoring myself as well as SSH into my VPS is no issue.
I bench YABS 24/7/365 unless it's a leap year.
I can confirm that happening on my site too, origin server had no issues (checked logs) but this happens randomly sometimes. reloading the page solves it.
https://webhorizon.net
exactly same for mine. only started say a week ago or something.
I bench YABS 24/7/365 unless it's a leap year.
Usually that happens when resource times out (php process for example). Tweaking php settings fixed it for our billing system. This was a pain in the ass for quite sometime.
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Like Mason, I also visit a bit more than I'd like to admit (slow period at work), but it's been working perfectly well from my part of the world (Europe).
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Done that, let's see how it goes..
Thanks for your suggestion
https://webhorizon.net
More fun a few minutes ago! ?
same 522 error at my site.
I bench YABS 24/7/365 unless it's a leap year.
Seems like the formatting/layout is broken for me
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The forum will be migrated to it's new VM on Hetzner Cloud this evening around 11pm-12am EST (3am-4am UTC). Forum will be inaccessible for a few minutes while that occurs.
I've also set up the support/help desk using HESK, so I'm prepping that as well. Will post an update when these two items are complete.
yabs daddy
I do like Hetzner Cloud, a good choice.
Since ya'll moving things to wp, why not use a plugin like this https://wordpress.org/plugins/kb-support/ to keep everything together?
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Would like to keep the number of WP plugins to a minimum.
Even though it looks like a nice plugin.
“Technology is best when it brings people together.” – Matt Mullenweg
True. Figured having one unified system would make y'all happy
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Does this mean offer submission is going to be a thingy thing?
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Absolutely. We'll release details when we're ready for some offers to be sent in to us!
yabs daddy
@mason have you moved it? Seems super quick all of a sudden.
Here too! Same. Much faster!
Not yet, usually traffic is slowing down around this time of the night so maybe it's that? Not quite sure.
yabs daddy
Almost time! Bye old, friendly LES server! Thank you! ❤️
Back in action! Forum has been successfully migrated to Hetzner Cloud
yabs daddy
Gut gemacht! Funktioniert hier gut! Aber warum ist die Seite jetzt Niedrig Ende Geist? 😵
Schon gut, alles Teil des Plans!
yabs daddy
Network is really fast, my man.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?newtork is fast my man
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Shilling is bad
Have you tried turning it off and on again?has the forum ever run on a single core VPS, and is it now on multi core?
I bench YABS 24/7/365 unless it's a leap year.
Looks like, yes. When mikho and I inherited it, it was on a multi-core server (2 CPUs) so the specs were increased sometime between site launch and now by Ant.
Yes, it's now run on a CPX11 Hetzner Cloud VM (2x Epyc vCPUs)
yabs daddy
!Quick Announcement!
Early next week there will be a change made to LES. Can't/won't say much more at this point.
Keep your eyes open
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