Can I tell you about MXroute?

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  • I was about to pick up a Pobox account, but was reminded that MXRoute exists via this post.

    Sorry if this is a strange request, but @jarland how would you compare your service to Pobox?

    It don’t be like it is until it do.

  • I got my wife a domain for her birthday 2 years back and hooked it up Mxroute for email stuff.

    0 complaint so far :)

  • @seriesn said: 0 complaint so far

    not to your face anyway haha.

    I remember a guy I used to know online about 20 years ago bought his Girlfriend a vacuum cleaner for her birthday as they were due to move in together in a few months, they never did..... haha

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  • @ouvoun said:
    I was about to pick up a Pobox account, but was reminded that MXRoute exists via this post.

    MX route is really focused on its outbound infrastructure. Your emails just magically appear in recipients mail inbox..
    Also if you are into lifetime deal stuff MX route also has one going on I believe

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  • @AnthonySmith said:

    @seriesn said: 0 complaint so far

    not to your face anyway haha.

    I remember a guy I used to know online about 20 years ago bought his Girlfriend a vacuum cleaner for her birthday as they were due to move in together in a few months, they never did..... haha

    That’s not the best gift to get your girlfriend before you move on together... on the other hand, I got my wife one last year and she was thrilled because she was tired of sweeping.

    You got to know when to cross the line.

  • @AnthonySmith said:

    @seriesn said: 0 complaint so far

    not to your face anyway haha.

    I remember a guy I used to know online about 20 years ago bought his Girlfriend a vacuum cleaner for her birthday as they were due to move in together in a few months, they never did..... haha

    ?. Nah she ain't that savvy sadly. If it goes in and comes out, she doesn't complain. (No pun intended).

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    @seriesn said:

    @AnthonySmith said:

    @seriesn said: 0 complaint so far

    not to your face anyway haha.

    I remember a guy I used to know online about 20 years ago bought his Girlfriend a vacuum cleaner for her birthday as they were due to move in together in a few months, they never did..... haha

    ?. Nah she ain't that savvy sadly. If it goes in and comes out, she doesn't complain. (No pun intended).

    We still talking about email?

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    @ouvoun said:
    I was about to pick up a Pobox account, but was reminded that MXRoute exists via this post.

    Sorry if this is a strange request, but @jarland how would you compare your service to Pobox?

    Less limits and there really is no direct comparison to this: https://mxroute.com/our-unique-outbound-infrastructure/

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  • @vyas said:
    @simonindia
    How is Zoho one working out for you?
    We got a 1 year all access credit last year but could not use all the features since we did not have the right team size/smes with us.

    Well its great as my team is distributed even before COVID and They provide almost everything with Zoho One. My one years software licensing budget can pay about 7 to 8 years of Zoho one subscription. And as everything is in "cloud" I save more headache and stress managing backup's and things. Now I just export my data every month to an b2 cloud account so far I have been with zoho for 2 years everything is working out great so the following are product I use with zoho

    docs (writer-sheets-slides)
    workdrive
    projects
    CRM
    Sign - E-signing
    Assit - remote access
    meeting - Video conferencing
    books - ERP - Accounting software
    Desk - Ticketing software
    Logs - Log management
    bugs - Bugtracker
    Cliq - chat
    forms
    Mail

    And everything is integrated to an point where everything is there and it just works. The downside being no control over downtime what so ever.

    But till now it works out.

  • Just great to see the love with which @jarland runs his business that is MXroute. All the best for the future ;)

  • @jarland said:

    @ouvoun said:
    I was about to pick up a Pobox account, but was reminded that MXRoute exists via this post.

    Sorry if this is a strange request, but @jarland how would you compare your service to Pobox?

    Less limits and there really is no direct comparison to this: https://mxroute.com/our-unique-outbound-infrastructure/

    Outbound does look impressive, yes. Do you provide any inbound SLA?

    It don’t be like it is until it do.

  • jarlandjarland ProviderOG

    @ouvoun said: Do you provide any inbound SLA?

    Not specifically, not out of fear of being unable to reach it just not really something that I've been asked about before.

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    @SmallWeb said:
    Really envious of https://mxroute.com/docs/

    At this point it just made sense to go all in on Wordpress so I could spend more time on content.

    https://betterdocs.co

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  • @jarland said:

    @SmallWeb said:
    Really envious of https://mxroute.com/docs/

    At this point it just made sense to go all in on Wordpress so I could spend more time on content.

    https://betterdocs.co

    Hope you got the $ 50 / 10 site deal that was available some time back :-)

  • Hi @jarland!

    Can MxRoute customers see the MTA logs for their inbound and outbound messages?

    Can MxRoute customers have direct ssh command line access (as opposed to grabbing their mail via IMAP from a terminal elsewhere than MxRoute)? [Sometimes it's fun to do base64 conversions by hand, and hterm can display images right in the terminal. :)]

    Thanks!

    Tom

  • @Not_Oles said:
    Hi @jarland!

    Can MxRoute customers see the MTA logs for their inbound and outbound messages?

    Yes

    Can MxRoute customers have direct ssh command line access (as opposed to grabbing their mail via IMAP from a terminal elsewhere than MxRoute)? [Sometimes it's fun to do base64 conversions by hand, and hterm can display images right in the terminal. :)]

    iirc also Yes

  • @sanvit! That's amazing! I wasn't expecting either answer to be yes. :) I gotta go read @Jarland's site. :)

    Where is the LES exclusive deal? Oh! It's with @Abdullah! Hey @Abdullah, if I sign up for MxRoute through you do I get all the same stuff as signing up directly? :)

  • Just wondering,
    Is there a a way to use a catch all emails with a domain and reply with the alias, the mail received?
    "Reply as sender" in Gapps.

  • jarlandjarland ProviderOG
    edited August 2020

    @Not_Oles said: Can MxRoute customers see the MTA logs for their inbound and outbound messages?

    Yes for inbound, not effectively for outbound. You can only see it going out to the filters. It's another project I need to work on, combining the data into one place so customers can view it.

    That said, no one has ever come to me and asked for outbound logs to find that we failed a delivery and a bounce, because our infrastructure works so well that the only reason you shouldn't get an error back in your inbox if it couldn't be delivered is that you set the wrong From header so the bounce went somewhere else. So almost 100% of customers who think they need to see outbound logs and come to me asking "Why did they say they didn't get this email" has resulted in me replying "They did receive it, here's proof." I'm sure there's edge cases but there's probably 100,000 messages going through before one appears.

    That's why the project is a bit low priority because it's not going to shock anyone to find that their emails are always delivered except in cases where they already knew they weren't. I suspect the work will go largely ignored once I finish it and customers grow accustomed to the results they see in it. They'll probably start defaulting to telling their recipients to troubleshoot their own issues ;)

    @Not_Oles said: Can MxRoute customers have direct ssh command line access

    If you ask me personally and nicely, and only up until we eventually upgrade to an infrastructure that no longer accommodates this. That said, the emails are going to be compressed so you probably won't be able to read them as files without decompressing first.

    @Iroshan464 said: Is there a a way to use a catch all emails with a domain and reply with the alias, the mail received?

    That is an email client feature. To the best of my knowledge none of the email clients we provide (Crossbox, Roundcube, Rainloop) immediately support this as a built-in feature. Though you're obviously welcome to use your own software for reading/sending your email (Outlook, Thunderbird, any webmail client you want to install on your server, etc).

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  • @jarland said:

    the [outbound log] project is a bit low priority
    [ssh access] only up until we eventually upgrade

    So, how about using MxRoute as a relay, kinda like Mailgun, SendGrid, and MailJet?

  • @Not_Oles said:
    @jarland said:

    the [outbound log] project is a bit low priority
    [ssh access] only up until we eventually upgrade

    So, how about using MxRoute as a relay, kinda like Mailgun, SendGrid, and MailJet?

    It works like a charm!

  • jarlandjarland ProviderOG

    @Not_Oles said: So, how about using MxRoute as a relay, kinda like Mailgun, SendGrid, and MailJet?

    Entirely possible. The major differences are:

    1. We don't offer software that manages the tracking of these for you like those services do at this time. Though third party software should be sufficient (Sendy, Mailtrain, etc).
    2. Instead of authenticating with a username that isn't an actual email address, you'll authenticate with one that is (an email address created in DirectAdmin). That doesn't force the From header to match it, but it does become the "X-Auth-User" header so that I can track who sent spam when I get complaints.

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    Oh and please don't relay thousands of emails from "root@localhost" or "apache@notanfqdn" those drive me nuts :joy:

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    @Not_Oles said:
    @sanvit! That's amazing! I wasn't expecting either answer to be yes. :) I gotta go read @Jarland's site. :)

    Where is the LES exclusive deal? Oh! It's with @Abdullah! Hey @Abdullah, if I sign up for MxRoute through you do I get all the same stuff as signing up directly? :)

    Yea, all same except the support, u get it from me.
    Generally not an issue :)

  • jarlandjarland ProviderOG
    edited August 2020

    First screenshot worth showing off of the in-house control panel (replacing WHMCS first). Some of you will recognize the template. I'm not a big designer, and really don't want to spend most of my time on that initially.

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  • AbdullahAbdullah ProviderOG

    Looks nice, !

  • hi @jarland .. do you have plan to support send email via api? we use vercel as development, unfortunately they don't support smtp for sending email.

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    @lightblade said:
    hi @jarland .. do you have plan to support send email via api? we use vercel as development, unfortunately they don't support smtp for sending email.

    I don't, but there might be a code base out there somewhere to present an API for an SMTP back-end. Seems like someone would have made something like that at some point. I'm sure I will eventually though.

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  • This design is right up my alley. Looking forward to it!

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    @jarland said:

    @berkay said: Does this include lifetimes?

    Those will stay at 10GB.

    This makes sense in terms of long-term service sustainability (saying this as a lifetime package user).

    I've learned a valuable lesson on certain thresholds, that might be beneficial for others:

    • Over 100GB purchased means significantly increased chance of using purchased space. Example: Someone purchasing 20GB is more likely to use less than 5GB, where someone purchasing over 100GB is more likely to use 100GB. This means you can oversell more 20GB than you can 100GB, breaking the idea that they're equivalent in scale and therefore can be relative in price.

    • A $5/year customer is significantly more likely to make repeat support requests than a $10/year customer. These can severely diminish your ability to scale out your support strategy with increased overhead but not enough revenue to hire.

    Knowledge and experience, good business planning. All sounds quite reasonable and logical IMO.

    Keep up the good work.
    Really good service. Would recommend it.

  • jarlandjarland ProviderOG
    edited August 2020

    Added gravatar to the WIP panel before calling it a night because why not lol

    We once got a ticket at DO asking why there was a picture of Hitler in the user’s control panel. Had a really hard time not laughing at the prank that someone obviously pulled on them with gravatar.

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  • Yoh Jar.

    I've got one of the BF deals from god knows back when. Never got round to actually using it thus far so congrats on free revenue lol

    On your documentation page, can you please add a idiots guide 101 right at the top?

    Like I've pointed a own domain @ google servers so I have a basic grasp of this concept. But I feel the documentation pages dives into GDPR compliance etc without covering the basics (maybe it's aimed at clued up people and it's assumed knowledge lol)

  • jarlandjarland ProviderOG
    edited August 2020

    @havoc said:
    Yoh Jar.

    I've got one of the BF deals from god knows back when. Never got round to actually using it thus far so congrats on free revenue lol

    On your documentation page, can you please add a idiots guide 101 right at the top?

    Like I've pointed a own domain @ google servers so I have a basic grasp of this concept. But I feel the documentation pages dives into GDPR compliance etc without covering the basics (maybe it's aimed at clued up people and it's assumed knowledge lol)

    Aye, onboarding path is something I'm working on. When you signed up the sole onboarding path was the "Important Account Information" email after signup. It still is a bit, people won't return right now having forgotten that and know how to get started again. Having two workflows (cPanel and DirectAdmin) doesn't help either, working on that right now too.

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  • jarlandjarland ProviderOG
    edited August 2020

    @bugrakoc said: Props to @jarland for standig up to the e-mail mafia, especially at this price point. Prem!

    I liked that phrase so much I stole it.

    Someone has to fight for everyone that isn't Google. I can still get emails past their blacklist, but I'm drawing a line in the sand now to see them removed from any serious email systems while they're not a serious problem for me, rather than having to react later when they are. Tell your friends, cancel hosting with companies that pay MagicSpam :)

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  • vyasvyas OG
    edited August 2020

    @jarland said:

    @bugrakoc said: Props to @jarland for standig up to the e-mail mafia, especially at this price point. Prem!

    I liked that phrase so much I stole it.

    Someone has to fight for everyone that isn't Google. I can still get emails past their blacklist, but I'm drawing a line in the sand now to see them removed from any serious email systems while they're not a serious problem for me, rather than having to react later when they are. Tell your friends, cancel hosting with companies that pay MagicSpam :)

    Nice.. retweeted

  • bikegremlinbikegremlin ModeratorOG

    Been using the service for over a year now, and can recommend it.
    Pricing is quite affordable, but regardless of that - service is good, reliable. Not "good for the (relatively low) price", but "good - period".

    Would go as far as to say that MXroute sets an example of how email service should be run:

    • not tolerating any kind of spam from their own customers, at the cost of loosing their business.
    • providing reliable service where your sent emails get delivered as reliably as it is reasonably possible (thanks to most services not suppressing spamers strictly enough, spam filters and rules do get crazily strict and not one email provider can honestly claim to offer 100% deliverability)
    • good technical support - yes, no hand holding, as they explain when you sign up for the service, but within reasonable requests, they are very knowledgeable and can help (in my experience, literally every problem I had was not related to a problem with MXroute, but they did help pinpoint it and resolve it).
    • The business seems to be run by decent, normal people, looking to offer good service, not just make big bucks, at least from what I could tell. It doesn't mean th> @havoc said:
      > Yoh Jar.
      >
      > I've got one of the BF deals from god knows back when. Never got round to actually using it thus far so congrats on free revenue lol
      >
      > On your documentation page, can you please add a idiots guide 101 right at the top?
      >
      > Like I've pointed a own domain @ google servers so I have a basic grasp of this concept. But I feel the documentation pages dives into GDPR compliance etc without covering the basics (maybe it's aimed at clued up people and it's assumed knowledge lol)

    I made my own idiot friendly MXroute setup guide. :)

    Planning to make another one for DirectAdmin (I think it's a bit less idiot friendly than cPanel), when I find the time. Especially when/if my account gets moved to DirectAdmin.

  • @bikegremlin said:
    Planning to make another one for DirectAdmin (I think it's a bit less idiot friendly than cPanel) [...]

    You find cPanel easier? Even though I've used cPanel for years, I find DA easier to navigate and get most stuff done. (Granted cPanel still has some more features, but also more weirdness, like the requirement to create subdomains for every domain you add.)

  • bikegremlinbikegremlin ModeratorOG
    edited August 2020

    @flips said:

    @bikegremlin said:
    Planning to make another one for DirectAdmin (I think it's a bit less idiot friendly than cPanel) [...]

    You find cPanel easier? Even though I've used cPanel for years, I find DA easier to navigate and get most stuff done. (Granted cPanel still has some more features, but also more weirdness, like the requirement to create subdomains for every domain you add.)

    With hosting panels in general? I prefer cPanel. My DirectAdmin thoughts/experience.
    For MXroute? It could be just a habbit, since I only worked with DirectAdmin to configure emails for a friend (it is set and forget, but I did configure more emails on my, cPanel MXroute account).

  • Well y first experience with them is using DA, and it is simply as copy and paste.. 10/10 for easyness..

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    @bikegremlin said: Planning to make another one for DirectAdmin

    You might hold out for the new frontend. While it's replacing WHMCS first and then DA will start bleeding into it until you no longer need to leave the panel, it looks like it's happening pretty fast.

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  • bikegremlinbikegremlin ModeratorOG

    @jarland said:

    @bikegremlin said: Planning to make another one for DirectAdmin

    You might hold out for the new frontend. While it's replacing WHMCS first and then DA will start bleeding into it until you no longer need to leave the panel, it looks like it's happening pretty fast.

    It is my understanding that you are making sure that your control panel works securely and stably, before implementing it.
    Remember you mentioned developing it some time ago (at, or even before the cPanel pricing shitstorm).
    And, at least in my experience, last 10% of development can often take even more time than the first 90%. :)
    So, I expected (guessed) that I'm more likely to be first moved to DirectAdmin, before being moved to your custom control panel (it's not my preferred option, but I suppose it will be necessary in order to cut the costs). If it turns out I was too pesimistic, great. :)

  • edited August 2020

    I created my own MX template in DirectAdmin for MXRoute. Makes it easier to setup when I add a new domain.

    @jarland noticed on Twitter potentially looking to move away from cPanel onto DA. Do you have an ETA?

  • INHOUSE INHOUSE YEAAA INHOUSE

  • @LeonDynamic said:
    @jarland noticed on Twitter potentially looking to move away from cPanel onto DA. Do you have an ETA?

    Follow #announcements on the MXroute chat to be even more up to date :#

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    @LeonDynamic said:
    @jarland noticed on Twitter potentially looking to move away from cPanel onto DA. Do you have an ETA?

    It’s hard because the event itself is dynamic. I’m on day 3 of backing up cpanel accounts on 3 servers without even including their emails in the backups.

    The normal backups are jetbackup incremental and DA conversion needs a regular cpanel backup. Tough to plan ahead with that unpredictable workload.

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    @jarland said:

    @LeonDynamic said:
    @jarland noticed on Twitter potentially looking to move away from cPanel onto DA. Do you have an ETA?

    It’s hard because the event itself is dynamic. I’m on day 3 of backing up cpanel accounts on 3 servers without even including their emails in the backups.

    The normal backups are jetbackup incremental and DA conversion needs a regular cpanel backup. Tough to plan ahead with that unpredictable workload.

    Maybe in a year or so, there will be a properly working JetBackup for the DA? :)

  • jarlandjarland ProviderOG
    edited August 2020

    Think they'll give me an answer? :joy:

    What a genius move to create spam filtering software, get a few customers under your belt, and then create your own blacklist. I mean, "It'd be a shame if an email provider not licensing their software landed on their in-house blacklist."

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  • I’m potentially interested in nabbing one of those lifetime licenses.

    That said, I saw on your blog a couple days ago that you don’t recommend forwarding to Gmail. But when I checked again that post seems to be gone? Here’s my primary use cases:

    • Forward incoming email to my personal Gmail.
    • Be able to send mail from my custom domain.

    I have a very small volume of both email received and sent, as it’s just for personal use. I don’t ever plan to use the actual webmail interface, I’d only forward. Is that not a recommended use of your service?

    It don’t be like it is until it do.

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    @ouvoun said:
    I’m potentially interested in nabbing one of those lifetime licenses.

    That said, I saw on your blog a couple days ago that you don’t recommend forwarding to Gmail. But when I checked again that post seems to be gone? Here’s my primary use cases:

    • Forward incoming email to my personal Gmail.
    • Be able to send mail from my custom domain.

    I have a very small volume of both email received and sent, as it’s just for personal use. I don’t ever plan to use the actual webmail interface, I’d only forward. Is that not a recommended use of your service?

    I noticed the other day that Gmail has started accepting more forwarded emails and not considering forwarding to violate the sender’s DMARC record. While my general recommendation is still not to trust that Google appreciates and will work hard to accommodate this use case, it is looking better.

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