Welcome to LES v2 - Updated Please read OP again.

somik

@AnthonySmith large image upload fails without proper error message. If i am running network inspect mode, I can see the response replying with a HTML page with error saying file needs to be less them 5MB, but the upload fails with 400 error cause the javascript is expecting a json response...

AnthonySmith

@somik said:
@AnthonySmith large image upload fails without proper error message. If i am running network inspect mode, I can see the response replying with a HTML page with error saying file needs to be less them 5MB, but the upload fails with 400 error cause the javascript is expecting a json response...

thanks.

tentor

I can't see notification setting on my small screen, some CSS broke probably.

lapua

@AnthonySmith said: Did you honestly use it often?

i use it daily when i leave les i do mark all thread viewed/read

@AnthonySmith said: Mark All read is back,

👍🏻

AnthonySmith

@tentor said: I can't see notification setting on my small screen, some CSS broke probably.

I only changed the background colour I will check it though.

AnthonySmith

Registration is now done differently; new members flow now:

Register > Pass through Cloudflare Turnstyle > Check against stopforumspam black list > Answer some questions > answers to questions create a new post in the new members section > if +5 karma, they become a full member if -5 karma they get banned.

New members cannot see deals or offers sections, its all fully automatic.

No more manual approval and new registrations are actively encouraged to participate or be banned, please take it easy on new members they may not get the #dicks-humor

WSS

I feel personally called out.

somik

The other thread got nuked so

New user tag and senpai tag shows up as white on white on android, dark theme.

Also custom titles, the text colour doesn't work on dark theme. It's always white. So light backgrounds are no go.

Finally, I hope my custom title is under PG category

AnthonySmith

@somik said:
The other thread got nuked so

New user tag and senpai tag shows up as white on white on android, dark theme.

Also custom titles, the text colour doesn't work on dark theme. It's always white. So light backgrounds are no go.

Finally, I hope my custom title is under PG category

Yeah, I saw that sorry, it is fixed; you should not see any more senpai tags, i think maybe you fell for Falzo's joke? or maybe I assumed it was a joke and its not haha.

AnthonySmith

@WSS said:
I feel personally called out.

Honestly, you should feel called out. But it's not personal

nullnothere

@AnthonySmith said:

@nullnothere said:

@AnthonySmith said:

@nullnothere said: Clearly I'm not the only one who misses it at the top but am I the only one who wants it back?

Did you honestly use it often? Not a loaded question, to be honest; I did not even know it existed until someone said it's not working.

I use it all the time - it's my way of "catching" up so that the next visit shows "new" stuff. It's hard without it (for me) as otherwise I get lost on all the goings on.

LES and OGF have it right up there in the top banner/part and so it's really quick-n-easy to just skim, read whatever is interesting and mark all read so that the next visit is fresh.

Pretty please bring it back to the usual spot.

Oh sorry, my head is spinning today, I thought you were talking about drafts , ok.

Yaaay! It's back. Thank you.

treesmokah

RE: https://lowendspirit.com/discussion/11129/welcome-new-members#latest

@AnthonySmith said: If you get negative 5 karma while you have a new member tag, you will be automatically rejected and banned.

Seems like a terrible idea. All you need is 5 alt/stolen accounts and you can get any new member banned. Imagine staff is away for a period of time, and a lot of people will get banned over this period because of that.

Its a fun idea, but it certainly needs manual approval by a staff member in the end. Its fuel for total chaos

I have similar views on the entire Reddit-style upvote/downvote system. I think it sucks, and "Thanks" alone is enough like in OG Vanilla. Its another thing that can be abused and fuel drama.

AnthonySmith

@treesmokah said:
RE: https://lowendspirit.com/discussion/11129/welcome-new-members#latest

@AnthonySmith said: If you get negative 5 karma while you have a new member tag, you will be automatically rejected and banned.

Seems like a terrible idea. All you need is 5 alt/stolen accounts and you can get any new member banned. Imagine staff is away for a period of time, and a lot of people will get banned over this period because of that.

Its a fun idea, but it certainly needs manual approval by a staff member in the end. Its fuel for total chaos

If it becomes a problem, I will solve it. You are right that could happen, but the reasons for reducing new member friction were discussed previously; if this is not the way, I will adapt.

You would have to be pretty damn sad to do that, I mean, left in a bush as a baby and never made any human connections your whole life and decided to focus your hate on strangers who are potentially bots on a small niche forum

tentor

@treesmokah said:
RE: https://lowendspirit.com/discussion/11129/welcome-new-members#latest

@AnthonySmith said: If you get negative 5 karma while you have a new member tag, you will be automatically rejected and banned.

Seems like a terrible idea. All you need is 5 alt/stolen accounts and you can get any new member banned. Imagine staff is away for a period of time, and a lot of people will get banned over this period because of that.

Its a fun idea, but it certainly needs manual approval by a staff member in the end. Its fuel for total chaos

I have similar views on the entire Reddit-style upvote/downvote system. I think it sucks, and "Thanks" alone is enough like in OG Vanilla. Its another thing that can be abused and fuel drama.

Maybe it makes sense to increase barrier and count only accounts that have more karma. Not bulletproof either but at some point it will be just too much effort for someone to abuse sign up at some forum.

treesmokah

@AnthonySmith said: You would have to be pretty damn sad to do that, I mean, left in a bush as a baby and never made any human connections your whole life and decided to focus your hate on strangers who are potentially bots on a small niche forum

Posts like this would be the reason for anyone to do something like that. It doesn't take much to pull it off, and there is a large chance there will be drama and comments of mad people.

AnthonySmith

haha ok, i guess I will add a minimum karma to vote into it then, then it'll self-fulfil as new members will need to be voted in to be able to vote and so on.

Man... 2026, what a time to be alive.

Not_Oles

It looks like long time LESbians now have a new obligation, to review and respond to new account requests.

Best wishes!

AnthonySmith

@Not_Oles said:
It looks like long time LESbians now have a new obligation, to review and respond to new account requests.

Best wishes!

Yep, or don't, it's a choice.

I have moved the constant flagging of posts into direct action instead.

Again, if it doesn't work, I will change it.

ukhan

I was out of touch with LES for a few weeks, and there are lots of updates! (Wow)

localhost

@AnthonySmith said:

@localhost said:

@AnthonySmith said:

@localhost said:
If the theme is switched I was expecting an inplace update, not a full reload of the page. Causes one to loose track on current page and advance to next page

Well, my thinking was, you mess around and find the one you like; you are not switching theme in the middle of reading or posting, so effort/reward sum = reload is fine.

But maybe I am missing a common user case for switching themes; just because I don't see it does not make me right; happy to listen.

To me it the theme preference could change depending on the lighting conditions/ device used - especially when switching. I have rarely seen any implementation where page reload happens.

Wanted to simply point this out. It could be a low priority item.

Doing it for the main 3 (dark, light, grey) is fairly trivial, so thats done, hopefully that works for you. it still kind works when you go to vbulletin themes but not so much going back

Works great. Thanks

somik

@AnthonySmith said:
Yeah, I saw that sorry, it is fixed; you should not see any more senpai tags,

Well, as i was saying, I was "not" seeing senpai tags cause it was white on white

i think maybe you fell for Falzo's joke? or maybe I assumed it was a joke and its not haha.

Sorry, you lost me there. Which joke? If you mean my custom title, it's a joke from Austin Powers movie:

Radi

Can I sell stuff on the Karma Store? All karma proceeds donated to LES of course.

just thinking of some flair icons

AnthonySmith

@Radi said:
Can I sell stuff on the Karma Store? All karma proceeds donated to LES of course.

just thinking of some flair icons

Well I planned to let hosts release their own items so I can probably expand that somehow, I will have a think.

AnthonySmith

@treesmokah said:

@AnthonySmith said: You would have to be pretty damn sad to do that, I mean, left in a bush as a baby and never made any human connections your whole life and decided to focus your hate on strangers who are potentially bots on a small niche forum

Posts like this would be the reason for anyone to do something like that. It doesn't take much to pull it off, and there is a large chance there will be drama and comments of mad people.

You now must have +25 karma to be able to vote in new member threads

jaden

Hah, thanks for the badger badge!

somik

@jaden said:
Hah, thanks for the badger badge!

I got one too

AnthonySmith

Messing with optimisations might get some "oops, something went wrong messages" intermittently

Managed to optimise what is cached and 3x the FPM workers so far

david3

@AnthonySmith said:
Messing with optimisations might get some "oops, something went wrong messages" intermittently

Managed to optimise what is cached and 3x the FPM workers so far

When I try to upvote your post, I get:
"You need at least 25 karma to vote on new member intros."

AnthonySmith

@david3 said:

@AnthonySmith said:
Messing with optimisations might get some "oops, something went wrong messages" intermittently

Managed to optimise what is cached and 3x the FPM workers so far

When I try to upvote your post, I get:
"You need at least 25 karma to vote on new member intros."

thanks

AnthonySmith

@david3 said:

@AnthonySmith said:
Messing with optimisations might get some "oops, something went wrong messages" intermittently

Managed to optimise what is cached and 3x the FPM workers so far

When I try to upvote your post, I get:
"You need at least 25 karma to vote on new member intros."

try now?

david3

@AnthonySmith said:

@david3 said:

@AnthonySmith said:
Messing with optimisations might get some "oops, something went wrong messages" intermittently

Managed to optimise what is cached and 3x the FPM workers so far

When I try to upvote your post, I get:
"You need at least 25 karma to vote on new member intros."

try now?

Looks good now, thanks.

AnthonySmith

So as this turned into the psudo bug reporting log, I am going to close this now, and probably just start a new thread per feature (or group of features) to make sure everyone is aware of them, or I might use the new blog format for that.

Thanks for all the feedback and helping shape it, quick but rocky conversion, I underestimated it, collecting data over the next few days now to further tweak and optimise.

Time to sink this thread

flips

Any list of feature requests maintained? I'd still love the option to ignore/hide threads/topics

WSS

@flips said:
Any list of feature requests maintained? I'd still love the option to ignore/hide threads/topics

Cocks.

MichaelCee

No MOD perms in VPS category it seems like, my poor OC minus the D

cornercase

@AnthonySmith said:
You now must have +25 karma to be able to vote in new member threads

Maybe these threads should also be hidden from people with less than +25 karma?

Also it seems like the new users are asked why they want to join twice...

AGXL

@AnthonySmith said:

@AGXL said:

@AnthonySmith said:

going to assume sarcasm.

No, no, I am completely serious. We really need this. As a patriotic European, we need this badge. It is also important for the other users, because it shows that you stand by the European General Data Protection Regulation and have fought your way through it – sometimes with crying fits and headaches along the way. So please add it.

well, good news, I will have the logout button fixed today.

I took some time to think about your reply because, to be honest, I found it a little discouraging.

Did I understand you correctly? Were you suggesting that I should leave the forum?

If so, I'd appreciate it if you could tell me directly. I know I'm not one of the major contributors here, and I sometimes get the impression that I'm not particularly welcome. Even so, I'd genuinely like to remain part of the community if that's possible. If I did anything wrong, I'm very sorry. And please excuse me for going off topic.

AnthonySmith

@AGXL said:

@AnthonySmith said:

@AGXL said:

@AnthonySmith said:

going to assume sarcasm.

No, no, I am completely serious. We really need this. As a patriotic European, we need this badge. It is also important for the other users, because it shows that you stand by the European General Data Protection Regulation and have fought your way through it – sometimes with crying fits and headaches along the way. So please add it.

well, good news, I will have the logout button fixed today.

I took some time to think about your reply because, to be honest, I found it a little discouraging.

Did I understand you correctly? Were you suggesting that I should leave the forum?

If so, I'd appreciate it if you could tell me directly. I know I'm not one of the major contributors here, and I sometimes get the impression that I'm not particularly welcome. Even so, I'd genuinely like to remain part of the community if that's possible. If I did anything wrong, I'm very sorry. And please excuse me for going off topic.

I assumed you were joking about GDPR, I was joking in return by saying you can always log out.

Nothing more to it than that.

cmeerw

@AnthonySmith said:
Registration is now done differently; new members flow now:

Register > Pass through Cloudflare Turnstyle > Check against stopforumspam black list > Answer some questions > answers to questions create a new post in the new members section > if +5 karma, they become a full member if -5 karma they get banned.

I am not sure it's really working that well. Given the questions, why should a new member take these questions seriously - but then they get voted down because they didn't take the question seriously.

New members cannot see deals or offers sections, its all fully automatic.

But if not logged in, you can still see the deals and offers sections, so what's the point?

Not_Oles

I seem to recall reading that, when Ken Thompson was having lunch at one of the restaurants on the Google campus, and other Googlers joined him, he started by saying, "I'm Ken. What are you working on?"

@AnthonySmith Maybe LES might make good use of the "What are you working on?" question by asking this question of potential new members?

AnthonySmith

Open to suggestions on the new member system I just ask that you consider the fact that it has not changed in reality, the only difference being now that they are asked 5 questions instead of 1 and they are allowed in on the say so if 5 people with a track record rather than 1 admin.

What it has stopped is answers in mandarin, and OBVIOUS bots now that stopforumspam and cloudflare turnstile is in place, but functionally it's the same as the last 8 years, answer a question or 2 and you are in if we allow you in.

Making life hard for new people to engage with the community will kill the community as it's on a negative trend and needs more people to join in.

somik

@AnthonySmith said:
Open to suggestions on the new member system I just ask that you consider the fact that it has not changed in reality, the only difference being now that they are asked 5 questions instead of 1 and they are allowed in on the say so if 5 people with a track record rather than 1 admin.

What it has stopped is answers in mandarin, and OBVIOUS bits not that stopforumspam and cloudflare turnstile is in place, but functionally it's the same as the last 8 years, answer a question or 2 and you are in if we allow you in.

Making life hard for new people to engage with the community will kill the community as it's on a negative trend and needs more people to join in.

Well, looks like you will have very few signups at the rate this is going:
https://lowendspirit.com/categories/new-members

Most people are busy downvoting new members since:

• Their name isn't shown if they downvote
• No justification is required to downvote
• They assume everyone joining is a bot

To be honest, looks like the new member system needs a complete rework. Leaving it up to community was a good idea but since there is no accountability, people are just doing whatever they want.

Since your target is to "increase" user count, getting most new signups banned seems the opposite of what you want for LES.

So this is what I propose. Feel free to pick and choose what you like:

• Use the old system of letting mods/admins validate new users
• Let the new users on "provisional" access, where they need "X" posts in existing threads (or X karma points) before they can open a discussion.
• Just like upvote, record who is downvoting. No need to make it public, just something visible only to mods/admins only.
• Make the downvote more involved. Like reporting, it should ask the user why they are downvoting the post, specially if you want to keep the +5/-5 vote/downvote rule for new users.

AnthonySmith

@somik said:

@AnthonySmith said:
Open to suggestions on the new member system I just ask that you consider the fact that it has not changed in reality, the only difference being now that they are asked 5 questions instead of 1 and they are allowed in on the say so if 5 people with a track record rather than 1 admin.

What it has stopped is answers in mandarin, and OBVIOUS bits not that stopforumspam and cloudflare turnstile is in place, but functionally it's the same as the last 8 years, answer a question or 2 and you are in if we allow you in.

Making life hard for new people to engage with the community will kill the community as it's on a negative trend and needs more people to join in.

Well, looks like you will have very few signups at the rate this is going:
https://lowendspirit.com/categories/new-members

Most people are busy downvoting new members since:

• Their name isn't shown if they downvote
• No justification is required to downvote
• They assume everyone joining is a bot

To be honest, looks like the new member system needs a complete rework. Leaving it up to community was a good idea but since there is no accountability, people are just doing whatever they want.

Since your target is to "increase" user count, getting most new signups banned seems the opposite of what you want for LES.

So this is what I propose. Feel free to pick and choose what you like:

• Use the old system of letting mods/admins validate new users
• Let the new users on "provisional" access, where they need "X" posts in existing threads (or X karma points) before they can open a discussion.
• Just like upvote, record who is downvoting. No need to make it public, just something visible only to mods/admins only.
• Make the downvote more involved. Like reporting, it should ask the user why they are downvoting the post, specially if you want to keep the +5/-5 vote/downvote rule for new users.

I will start a dedicated discussion about the LES sign up system later today and we will get to the bottom of it.

lapua

the new member threads are spamming the overview. do you have any idea how this can be handled better?

somik

@lapua said:
the new member threads are spamming the overview. do you have any idea how this can be handled better?

I like the new member threads, but I guess not everyone is in agreement. I guess a "show/hide" filter may be needed (if possible)...

AnthonySmith

@lapua said:
the new member threads are spamming the overview. do you have any idea how this can be handled better?

I will start a thread about it later today and we can all discuss it and come up with a way to handle it better.

rpqu

@AnthonySmith said:

@lapua said:
the new member threads are spamming the overview. do you have any idea how this can be handled better?

I will start a thread about it later today and we can all discuss it and come up with a way to handle it better.

I think it's better to make pinned thread meant for the new user. Encourage new user to interact with the rest of community

msatt

Have I missed something ?
We have many different categories for posts but no easy way of selecting them.
How about (for those that dont want to see newbie posts) allow a drop down with select all or deselect what you don't want to see etc.

MichaelCee

@msatt said: How about (for those that dont want to see newbie posts) allow a drop down with select all or deselect what you don't want to see etc.

To me it seems like the newbie posts are best suited to the vBulletin style theme at the moment at least

msatt

@MichaelCee said:

@msatt said: How about (for those that dont want to see newbie posts) allow a drop down with select all or deselect what you don't want to see etc.

To me it seems like the newbie posts are best suited to the vBulletin style theme at the moment at least

Ahh - I am using 'light' and have no way (that I can see) of looking at a category unlike the vBulletin style.